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Wolfman
10-31-2003 12:21 am
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Its too bad these rankings come out now AFTER the qualifier field has been chosen. Canada is ranked ahead of 3 teams going to the qualifier. Bummer
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Manish Kumar
10-31-2003 4:44 am
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rankings
Better late than never. At last a FIH ranking system for those who follow hockey. Now we need some more positive steps from FIH such as makinhg live coverage on TV mandatory for hosting any ranking tournament.
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Yan Huckendubler
10-31-2003 8:23 am
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Unfair to Canada...
Wolfman, the way I read it, Canada (15th) is ahead of only 2 countries (not 3) going to the Qualifier: Poland (17th) and Cuba (18th). Still, I agree with you that the selection for the Qualifier is highly unfair for Canada.
It is indeed even more unfair for the Indian Women: they are ranked 13th and are ahead of 3 out of 10 teams going to the Qualifier: Ireland (14th), Ukraine (15) and Russia (17).
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Yan Huckendubler
10-31-2003 8:31 am
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GB/Home Countries situation?
How will the Great Britain / individual Home Countries situation work in the FIH ranking?
If one of the Home Countries (e.g England) had won the European Championship, Great Britain would be qualified for the Olympic Games.
In reverse, how will the result of GB at the Olympics be allocated back to the Home Countries?
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india fan
10-31-2003 12:15 pm
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credit for asia cup and afroasian games
will india get credit for asia cup and afro asian games gold.. cos' both pakistan and korea were there.. and india got the gold.. india has won four tournamnets this year out of six.. i hop-e that has been taken into account.. and how are the points calculated... can somebody clarify??
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doncaster
11-01-2003 5:02 am
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Malaysia ranked 10th? Going by their current form, they should be way down in the Top 20.
This ranking system makes a mockery of current form. Yes, India ,too for instance, who are in top form and have won the Asia Cup and Afro-Asian Games gold medal.
But the joke for me is still Malaysia, who i think will not be able to even beat Egypt and come in for tough opposition from Nigeria as well.
Please, hockey lovers, dont take this ranking system as an indication of current form.
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vijay
11-01-2003 5:29 am
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india should be first
as far as this year's performance is concerned, india has performed great. they have won four major tournaments. i hope that india's ranking will improve in both men's and women's hockey.
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Canuck #1
11-01-2003 12:33 pm
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I was wondering if Malaysia's ranking was slightly skewed because they hosted the last world cup. They didn't qualify, so I assume they would have gotten an increase number of points without even having to qualify for that tourney. Not sure if that was taken into account.
Its interesting to see Korea in the top 4 when we have seen em only play a few times in the past year or 2 and they have been overshadowed by their asian counterparts India and Pakistan.
My prediction is that Spain will jump into the top 6 over the next year, Oltmanns has them playing well right now. The teams that will slide are Malaysia and Argentina. Retegui and Lombi can only hang on for so long. Paredes is good but can't carry this team.
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Prince of Persia
11-01-2003 4:26 pm
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India's ranking
India's fans should calm down.
Unless the Indian men's team performs well in a major tournament ie.
CT, World Cup or OLympic Games, it will never progress beyond 5-6.
That is the ultimate test. So unless India performs in those tourneys
we can't complain about not being ranked higher.
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mo
11-02-2003 11:21 am
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the others
What of the teams not in the Top 20...I guess it doesn't matter how they are ranked
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Kiwi Supporter
11-02-2003 7:33 pm
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Ranking
N.Z ranked 11th, yeah right!
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Playmaker
11-02-2003 9:35 pm
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Canuck#1-Correction
Your prediction on Spain is quite reasonable-only problem is that Maurits Hendrik is the coach while Oltmans is now attached to the Pakistan team. Try getting your facts right next time around. Cheers!
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Andrew Fleming
11-02-2003 10:09 pm
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Looking at the new rankings, the best hockey nation in the world
is currently Netherlands
followed by
Australia
Argentina
Germany
Korea
So looking at the list, people saying that Australia has an easily ride to major championships because we only have to bet New Zealand is wrong, New Zealand is ranked (men 9, women 11) and ranked 8 overall in hockey, so they should not be considered easy beats.
Note: New Zealand has a population of 3.9 million versus India which has 1.0 Billion, surely India with that such large population base should be albe to produce better hockey players than New Zealand.
Who does Argentina have to play against inorder of qualification to major championships?
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floridakafaisal
11-03-2003 6:06 am
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India has done very well
India has done extremely well in the last few competitions and i think their ranking is going to get higher than Pa, because India has won the last two finals played between these 2 nations, anyways this ranking thingi is a gr8 idea it makes the game look more proffesional.
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Curious fan
11-03-2003 7:35 am
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Canada was lucky with the Cuba's withdraw, and will participate in the Olympic Qualifier...
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yen
11-03-2003 8:15 am
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yes we are calm
indian mens ranking is okay , they have never entered semifinals of wc , olympics in last 20 years , so 6th is ok
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Vytautas Didysis (Lithuania)
11-03-2003 1:33 pm
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Small countries
I think unfair is the whole system of international games. For example my countries women have played only in one European Nations cup qualifying tournament in the whole 4 years. Is that fair when other teams play in some 4 ranking tournaments every year?
All small countries have one problem - if you don't qualify for the Eurochamps you are out of international games for 4-5 years. It's a wrong way developing hockey in the whole world and it makes what we have in the rankings - only elite teams may colect points. I think it will be a different story from 2005, when Eurochamps will be held every 2 years. I'd suggest arranging also a direct qualification tournament to the World cup.
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can fan
11-03-2003 4:14 pm
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canada going to spain
November 3, 2003
Canadian Men in 2004 Olympic Qualifier
It?s an exciting day for all hockey in Canada as FHC was informed by the FIH that our men?s team will be competing in the 2004 Olympic Qualifier.
Following confirmations and one non-acceptance of all the eligible teams to compete in the men's Olympic Qualifier to be played in Madrid, Spain from 2/13 March 2004, the participating teams for the tournament will be Belgium, Canada, Great Britain, India, Japan, Malaysia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Pakistan, Poland, South Africa and Spain.
Cuba advised the FIH that it did not wish to exercise its right to compete in the qualifying tournament. As a result, Canada, the 1st reserve country, accepted an invitation to participate in the tournament. France now becomes the 1st reserve country for the tournament.
Canada is ranked 11th in the 12 team Olympic qualifying tournament as a result of their 15th place world ranking ? the world rankings only being used to establish the pools. Therefore Canada, as the 12th ranked qualified team will play Greece at least one week prior to commencement of the Qualifier Tournament in a play-off competition (best of 3 games). In principle these matches will be played in Madrid unless other arrangements are made between the two teams.
The pools for the Olympic qualifying tournament will be based upon the FIH Tournament Regulations for a 2 pool competition, namely:
Pool A
1. Netherlands (2)
4. Great Britain (8)
5. Spain (9)
8. Japan (12)
9. South Africa (13)
12. Poland (17)
Pool B
2. Pakistan (5)
3. India (6)
6. Malaysia (10)
7. New Zealand (11)
10. Belgium (14)
11. Canada (15)
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Small Country
11-03-2003 5:59 pm
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What about the rest of the world ?
How about rankings for Bangladesh, Hong Kong, Italy, Sri Lanka and many more ....? Is Hockey played in the above mentioned 20 countries ?
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jagga jatt
11-03-2003 10:07 pm
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canadian qualification
Canadas In!!! Cuba dropped out!!!
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Just a fan
11-04-2003 2:35 am
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Question to Can Fan
I wonder why you are quoting word for word the announcement that appeared on the FIH site informing the withdrawal of Cuba. You are just lucky and you don't deserve to be in Madrid since you did not qualify through the right procedure, whether fair or not.
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informed
11-04-2003 4:14 am
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world rankings over 21
Check out the FIH website for the full list under events and results.
Hong Kong are 32nd
Bangladesh are 28th
Italy are joint 25th
Sri Lanka are 47th
Greece are 50th!
Hope this helps?
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Steady..
11-04-2003 7:42 am
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Ranking sucks....
There are countries like Australia , Canada who have to come through easy regional rounds. Asia and European continental teams are more stronger. Hence they have to be acomodated ( either more teams or more points) And YEAH WHAT ABOUT SMALL COUNTRIES???????? Am talking about women's here alright?
An India fan......
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VIJAY
11-04-2003 8:13 am
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RANKINGS
I SUPPOSE THESE RATINGS SHOULD BE FOR ALL THE HOCKEY PLAYING NATIONS. FOR THIS IHF CAN TAKE THE PERFORMANCE OF THE LAST 2 YEARS(FOR THE NATIONS WHO HAVE GOT RANKING LOWER THAN 20). I SUPPOSE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR DEVELOPING THE HOCKEY.
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JB
11-04-2003 10:04 am
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Rest of the World
Full list of world rankings is available on FIH website
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canadian mom
11-04-2003 10:13 am
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very excited
very happy to hear that canada is in the qualifier------i think gene has worked very hard with the boys and we are in for a positive surprise at the qualifiers---------when will the schedule be published
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Ashish Bengla
11-04-2003 4:36 pm
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to Andrew Fleming
Mate, India do have better players than New Zealand.
What hockey events have the Kiwis won this year ? Balls !
NZ is basically a rugby nation. They have an innovative cricket team and a decent netball side but suck at every other sport.
India are better at most sports than New Zealand -- hockey, volleyball, tennis, squash, badminton, track & field and defintely ODI cricket(although you may be better in tests).
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NZ v India
11-05-2003 12:44 am
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Big games
India may be ranked above NZ and rightly so after their more consistant (if you can say consistant and India in the same sentance) performances in the past year (& attending Olympics). But lets look at revent results between NZ and India. Series won by NZ 2-1 with one draw. World Cup qualifier NZ 1 India 0. World Cup NZ 2 India 1.
But a) who cares about results this year - there are no major tournments (qualifiers WC or Olympics).
b) NZ has dominated India the past few games at big tournments
Secondly to those people who say that NZ (men or women) have it easy with qualifying, I would give anything to have NZ at the Asian qualifying. To have to beat Aust in a 3 test series - good luck to any team in the world.
Anyway lets see India under pressure in the two major tournment :)
My prediction - they will choke at one of the tournments
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vijay
11-05-2003 5:47 am
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rankings
i am sorry for my previous comment. actually rankings of all the hockey playing nations is available. but fihcokey.com is not opening. it is on the process of developing. can anyone tell me when it will be completely developed.
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Davo
11-05-2003 6:36 pm
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India v New Zealand
Ashish,
I think Andrew may have been referring to the womens ranking.....
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yen
11-06-2003 6:12 pm
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indian women
please shed tears for womens indian hockey team they are ranked 13th n not in the qualifiers. russia 17th is in qualifiers. crazy are the ways
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HITECH
11-07-2003 10:54 am
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Current Ranking Justified.
The current ranking is justified. These rankings are drawn up based on the Last Four years perfomances. So whether India won 2 back to back tournamnents does not make them climd to # 1 position. I think India's current position is tuely justified and this is the launchpad for us to go on top from here. And I am sure that in the coming months India will prove that their resurgence in Hockey both men and Women is just not temparory but shear determination to show the world we are stong enough to take on anyone.
As far as FIH ranking, this was long pending and good it happened just in right time before the Olympics. Some are not satisfied and some have rejected the rankings but truely this is just the begining.
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Rasim
11-08-2003 2:23 pm
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To NZ v India
Nz's recent record against India isn't really much of a factor going
into their clash at Madrid.
The sides haven't met since the last world cup.
Remember, India have had a coaching change and are playing a completely different style of hockey to Cedric de Souza's team which NZ met last.
I'd back India to beat NEw Zealand now. The Kiwis weren't all that impressive in the Champions Challenge and you feel that if Hayden Shaw isn't on song, they will struggle.
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HK players
11-24-2003 10:59 am
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World Rank
HK world rank is 31, they beat banglesh which is higher in ranking than them, also they drew with japan twice in this year. Japan is world ranked 12 s should HK go at least to the top 25?
Please suggest any comments.
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Raul
12-02-2003 3:55 am
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TO Andrew Fleming
Mr Fleming, let me tell you this is nothing but unfair.
There cannot be a Ranking System that fits everyone, because that is something impossible. I think it's good to have countries all over the world, from every spot, taking place.
The thing about small countries..with less population, has nothing to do here.
China has 50 times more population than Argentina. So what? Are you saying it's unfair to Argentina too?
New Zealand has 100 times less population than China or the States and they wipe them out in rugby...any time..any place
So? I don't see your point,Mr.
Brazil has 3 times more population than Argentina and we beat them off..
It's not the number of population, is how people devote to that sport..
We can beat you 150 times out of 150 soccer matches.. and we are in similar population conditions
Besides, Argentina is no doubt one of the top 5 teams of the world. Are you saying that if we had to challenge other countries in order to qualify, we wouldn't?
I think you are just upset because of the frustration of losing the World Cup at home, and the Leonas' Victory..
Grow up, you still have 3 more years to go till next World Cup.. and to take your chances to win the WC. Don't take it personal
Anyways.. you are forgetting that World Champion is not qualifying automatically..(well.. of course..as you couldn't win.. I see you've skipped this)..
I'm not saying it's unfair, but,..anyways... what is fair today?
You see, we also lose here in Argentina, but, anyways, I think this system rules, and it was time it was put into practice
Stop moaning about what is going on today, wait for an year or so till everything gets in its place.. I know today it looks unfair, but look into the future.. and tell me.. is it worthy?
I think it is.
Good Luck People
Go Leonas!
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12-07-2003 10:58 am
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Sorry!
i feel really sorry for the Indian womens team......
trust me, i know what its like!!!
all the best!!!!
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