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August 25, 2003 
The Indian Express
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Changed rules make the game faster, smoother, though Indians lose
By: Manish Kumar
Amstelveen, August 25: The Champions Trophy final between Holland and Australia may have lacked flair but what it had in plenty was breathtaking speed. Indeed, one of the characteristics of this tournament, and of current top-level hockey, was the fast-paced, smooth-flowing play, a far cry from the game of even a decade ago.
The style was best summed up in the genius of Dutchman Teun de Nooijer, who dominated yesterday’s match. ‘‘Nooijer is the most complete player in the world’’, said former Dutch coach Roelant Oeltmans. ‘‘He plays according to modern hockey — it is so fast that players cannot afford to hang on to the ball. The earlier one releases the ball, the less time it takes to build up the moves.’’
Much of it is due to the changes in rules made by the International Hockey Federation (FIH), with the intention of making hockey spectator-friendly. The bad news for India and Pakistan was that the subcontinental style of dribbling and individual artistry lost out in the face of power hockey. ‘‘Technology changed everything’’, says Australian legend Ric Charlesworth, referring to the sticks used. At the 1994 World Cup in Perth, the FIH experimented with composite sticks, made of carbon and fibreglass, which lent abnormal power to the hits and dramatically increased the pace of the game.
They benefited the Europeans, whose game was based on power and speed, rather than skill. They began experimenting with new tactics: sweep-hit, tapping and slapping of the ball for long passes. It helped most during penalty-corners — players could extract many times more power than from the wooden stick.
Former India captain Pargat Singh, who’s just spent four years on the FIH’s Rules Committee, played in several matches against Holland and their powerful PC hitter Floris Bovelander. ‘‘Bovelander was hitting the ball with 20 per cent more power with the composite stick. It was even more difficult to defend.’’
Indian players have only recently started using composite sticks; while expense (the new sticks cost Rs 10,000) is one factor, another is that wooden sticks are more suited for skilful play. ‘‘Our players don’t play sharp passes, they depend more on skill’’, says Pargat.
But to level the playing field somewhat, the FIH has ruled that from next year players will not be able to change their sticks at penalty strokes and penalty corners. The most consistently visible — and immediately profitable — sign of change is the one regarding the penalty-corner rule. Till 1994, the push had to be stopped ‘dead’ inside the D but some teams were taking advantage of the rule and stopping the ball deeper inside, reducing the distance from the goal. Under the new rule, the stopper has to stop the ball outside the D for the player to execute the PC.
As the game became more oriented to power and speed, players began to feel the effect. Lasting 70 minutes at breakneck pace would be tough, so the system of rolling substitutions was introduced less than a decade ago. The aim was simple: keep players fresh, keep the game moving.
In fact, keeping in mind the prevailing humid conditions at the 2002 World Cup in Kuala Lumpur, some of the influential countries managed a one-time change in the rules: each team could select 18 players instead of 16, the increased the bench strength vital for European countries not used to weather.
Not all rule changes have helped, though. In 1996, the FIH removed the off-side rule, some say to differentiate hockey from football. It hasn’t worked, says Pargat, it’s undermined the flair. ‘‘The beauty of the game is lost. Now people only play in each other’s 25-yard area and the midfield action is lost. The off-side rule has affected subcontinental hockey more’’, he says.
Indeed, teams have become more defensive, wary of leaving their guard open. Statistics prove this: Between the 1996 Atlanta Olympics and last year’s World Cup, the graph of average goals at major international tournaments is declining. ‘‘One or two tournaments in between — like this Champions Trophy —may have seen a high number of goals scored but they are the exceptions’’, says Charlesworth. It shouldn’t be long, given hockey’s attack mode, before the anomaly is ironed out.
HOCKEY’S WISH-LIST
Two more changes suggested by experts:
• The game should be 80 minutes, not 70, over four quarters with three breaks, says Pargat. It’s also with an eye to commerce. ‘‘Hockey needs advertising on TV and there have to be enough breaks to attract advertisers’’
• Reduce the number of players from 11 to 9, to create more space.

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Mitchell
08-25-2003 10:13 pm
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Changing the face of the game
The hockey greats of old must be turning in their graves.......I think it's about time the Asian countries take a stand and resist some of the proposed changes.....What we will be seeing in a couple of years from now...if these changes go into effect, is fieldhockey as we've never seen it before. Unaesthetic, unattractive and a game played by people who have the ability to push ball in a straight line from point A to point B at a tremendous speed in rehearsed moves....sounds like the death knell for a game that once produced wizards and magicians !
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Boris Floski
08-25-2003 10:57 pm
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great article
I do not agree that the new rule hurt Indian or Pakistani hockey. Both hold world rankings of 3-4..The main reason is that countries like Australia, Germany, Holland have institutes of sports and professional programmes and before in the world, no-one took hockey seriesly. In England its just been a games of "good-old-hockey-sticks-rah-rah" and still largely is. Even Japan, Korea, New Zealand have structured programmes and professional players and coaches...so the crap/criticism about mid fields death, off side changes and these great rule changes is unwarranted.
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Joost
08-25-2003 11:34 pm
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In theory, there is nothing wrong with what the experts suggest, and one will only be able to determine whether these changes would be effective if they were put into practice. I don't think an 80 minute game would be a bad thing, but to split the game into four quarters doesn' t make sense to me, and there are other ways of marketing the sport which have not been explored. For instance, I don't feel that enough is done to try and get the media involved in major events, although coverage of this years Champion's Trophy has seen an improvement. Clubs need to have better facilities to accomodate spectators if they want to bring in crowds-and hockey is a very exciting sport to watch live. There simply isn't enough funding for the sport though because it is often edged out in most countries by other major sports such as football, rugby and cricket. However, hockey should be able to justify more funding from national sports institutions because the game does have a significant player base in several countries. One just doens't feel as though this issue is raised to people's attentions often enough. As for changing the game to 9-a-side? That changes the format too much, I think-it would mean having to reconsider the roles or strikers, midfielders and defenders all over. It just seems a liitle too radical in my opinion
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Renegade
08-26-2003 1:07 am
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Please , No change to the current rule, let it be. Hockey is a game that is like watching a thriller movie, you don't know whatis going to happen. It has speed, skill, power and most of all exictment. Changing or experimenting with the rule will only make it interesting for commerce value, but please think of the sports value
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Randy Sagoo
08-26-2003 1:36 am
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I rather like the European style of hockey. Only thing ppl from India and Pakistan are good at is hackey not hockey. I am all for the changes being brought into the game. Its team sport not an individual sport. If you want to play an individual sport, take up tennis or badminton. I think all the Indians and Pakistanis should quit their griping and learn the new way to play. Its very frustrating to play on a team composed of all asian players as they never pass and most of the players on the field stand around while one does his so-called magic. Dribbling sucks and one word i hate so much that asians are fond of "dodge". Maybe they should look into taking up "dodge ball".
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saiful
08-26-2003 2:03 am
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its kind of sad to know that hockey is going in the path of soccer into being turned into a commercial entity. Comments made in the hockey wish list seems to suggests that hockey matches should be made longer so that there would be enough breaks to accomodate more advertising. Is the reason that we play hockey soon going to be to attract advertisers and to attract money, thus accomodate them by lengthening the game to 80 minutes?
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The Spectator
08-26-2003 2:51 am
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Boris
I wholeheartedly agree with Boris, every time I read about India and Pakistan playing they are bemoaning the death of the game as they know it, but do the Pakistanis not have the best drag flicker in the world and without him would be pretty ordinary - I'm fed up with this world against India/ Pakistani conspiracy theory nonsense - the game IS football without sticks and if you look at football, there is still skill involved, but this is matched with increased pace, agility and power - so get training boys and maybe then you can get back to those halcyon days when nobody could beat you!
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yen
08-26-2003 3:04 am
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game for all
i suggest 100 mts game , 25 mts each quater , 3 breaks of 10 mts.
rolling substitution. tolal players 20.
11 on field.
what do u say my dear pargat singh
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Matt Smith
08-26-2003 5:16 am
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well put
Though I would say India's lack of success is mainly due to administration, there is something to be wary of with the European bloc's power over the sport; they have a tendency to favour themselves, not only in hockey, but in soccer and rugby as well.
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Gurjeet
08-26-2003 7:20 am
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Won`t be a bad idea for make it an 80 minute game, but to reduce 11 to 9 will spoil the game.
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dougal_bug
08-26-2003 7:45 am
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By breaking down the game into 4 quarters you are not necessarily going to make it more commercially inviting, besides, neither football (Soccer) nor Rugby have done this and they do allright - this is just the American market demanding, so that they can draw in more money rather than worry about the spectators.
Eurosports showing of the Champions Trophy, on live games has resulted in them showing the first half cleanly and for a commercial break in the second half, about ten minutes after the half time break. They disappear for 2 minutes, and providing they show action critical to the game (such as a goal) that occurred during the break, most people are likely to be unconcerned by this, even if they find it frustrating
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To Boris Floski
08-26-2003 8:58 am
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To Boris Floski:
India stood 10th in the Last world cup in 2002.Current Indian ranking is not 3-4 but much lower down then that.
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Shahid
08-26-2003 9:23 am
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No rule changes please!!
From Spectator: I'm fed up with this world against India/ Pakistani conspiracy theory nonsense
Well, let us write it other way. The change of hockey rules the author spoke about, like astro turf, no offside are not meant to counter Indo-Pak hockey dribbling and skillful play.
They are just meant to be "more friendly" to European style of play.
It's not that Asians have forgotten how to play hockey after their golden aera. They still play the same skillful game. Only new hockey rules do not favour that style of play any more.
You don't believe me?
Let's analyze this one point after the other.
Astroturf: Change from grass to astroturf definately helps teams who play more anf fast passes from one side of ground to the other. Well, a
naturally skillful people should not have a very huge problem to apply his dribbling skills
on this ground, aswell. This rule does not bring any benefit to dribbling players, but it does helps
players/teams replying on fast passes.
I think the major effect from going to astroturf for skillful dribbling countries (Pak, Ind, Arg., Aus)
was not that these teams are forced to changed their style but it is the fact that most of theses
countries are financially not strong enough to provide enough astroturf for their players.
Compare over 400 astrotrufs in Holland alone to nor more than 15/20 in Pakistan. Also consider the
fact that Pakistan is much bigger than Holland (maybe 5 fold). So, this clearly shows, that people
in Pak are not able to play on astroturf. How do you expect a country with only 20 astroturf to
be as strong on astroturf as one with 400??
Didn't FIH know that the huge costs of new astroturf are going to help richer countries in future?
On the other hand, you can not expect Pak team, for instance, to know the best way to win matches on
astroturfs. Don't forget, all Pakistani play on natural grass until they are considered to play for
national team. After this, they are allowed to use precious astroturf and have to adapt their style
after playing on grass whole life long.
A Dutchman, on the other hands, can join any hockey club of his area and be certain to play on astroturf
from the first day he holds a stick in his hand.
Offside rule: Well, this rule allow players to pass the ball to forwards behind other team's
defense. It does not take long to figure out that a defense oriented team benefits from this rule.
You can put 10 men in your 25-yards area and spoil other teams plan to score a goal. Just leave one man
in forward line and give him a long pass to score a goal.
I know, this is oversimplified. But the fact is, this shows the true picture after this rule change.
They say, rule changes were made to make the game more attractive. I think, it's good to try to make
hockey popular. But was this the right way to do so?
If yes, the question is did we reach our goal?
I object. There are other ways to promote Hockey. Remember. Make the game attractive for viewers and
sponsors will come automatically.
P.s. Though Pak has the best PC flicker in the world. I still like to see more field goals, because they are more attractive! I do not simply favour everything that Pak is goot at. I just favour the style of play obviosly most people feel attracted to.
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T.K.
08-26-2003 10:45 am
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Promoting Hockey
I've always thought that inadequate camera angles and filming quality have made Hockey unattractive on TV. It's too bad because Hockey is really much more active and fast paced compared with Soccer,but the visuals on TV make Hockey seem boring,unless there are lots of scoring.
Watching the Hockey final at the Pan-Am games (Canada Vs Argentina),one could see why Hockey can be boring on TV. First it was a very cautious defensive match,but more than that they used only 2 cameras and missed capturing the real skill of the game.
Could those who viewed the CT comment on the quality of filming??
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santanu
08-26-2003 11:37 am
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skill vs speed
I found this to be a very interesting list and being an Indian hockey fan would like to put in my two cents' worth . Yeah friends we asians do tend to whine quite a bit about the "graceful" "vintage" "classical" hockey blah blah .. but frankly you dont regard Teun de Nooijer anywhere upclose to shabaz ahmed as far as providing sheer aesthetic pleasure is concerned just as you don't claim van baasten or rudd gullit to be anywhere near Maradonna.
Granted that this might be streching things too far but individual artistry should always be given its due place and promoting power play relentlessly might only make hockey poorer . After all this is field hockey and not ice hockey .
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Randy Sagoo
08-26-2003 1:27 pm
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santanu - skill vs speed
No room for individual "artistry" or "magic". There are 11 men on the field for a reason. Lets change the game completely and make it one on one. Stop your whining all you indians and pakistanis. This is a team game and all should get to play.
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Curious fan
08-26-2003 1:33 pm
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I think the game really became faster with the astroturf. Everybody agree with that. In the other hand, on top level, the skills of the players make the difference, when the top teams are at the same level on physical, speed and tatical.
Hockey is just like soccer. Nowadays, the speed and the tatical are essencial for the top teams, but the skills of the players makes the difference on these teams. Just watch Brazil on soccer. They won 5 World Cups and have the best team in the World because they have reached the same level of the europeans on tatic and physical, and because, of course, the brazilian players are skillful than the other players.
This is not happening at hockey. The Pakistani and Indian players are the most skillful of the world, no doubt, but they do not understand that the tatic and the physical parts are very important too. Hockey, just like soccer, is a team sport. The Pakistani and Indian players do not use their personal skills to benefit the whole team. They just dribble, dribble, and dribble. If they could, they would enter at the goal with the ball.
And Teun de Nooijer is really the most skillful player of the world. He is a complete hockey player. He is fast, inteligent and skillful. That's why he is the best player at the world. And I am not from Holland.
If Pakistan and India could stay at the same level on tatic and physical as the europeans, they would be again the best teams of the world.
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HITECH
08-26-2003 1:36 pm
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Rule Changes
I am no means a Hockey expert but a very very keen Hockey Follower from India. To me Hockey is the most exciting game even against Cricket which is a religion for Indians.
Changing rules is not a bad idea. The current format of the game is perfect with 11 Players and 70 minutes full time. Just for the sake of more advertising and more sponsorships to raise more money doesn't seem to be the right options.
As far as new rules introduced in last decade or so affecting India / Pakistan I dont agree with this opinion. First of all if you have to compete at the INternational level then you have to adapt to rule changes, new concepts quickly. Its not the problem with Players its the basic problem of Infrastructure for Hockey. Just keep on crying about these new rules affecting our style of hockey and not having best facilities for players is not going to take our hockey anywhere. We need both skills and speed in hockey.
For India its the problem of Infrastucture not only for Hockey but for All the sports except for Cricket. Without proper equipments, training, coaching and most important motivation. This has to be available at the grass root level then and only you will see results.
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Naeem
08-26-2003 1:39 pm
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Suicide!
I believe FIH is shooting in his own foot by changing rules to make hockey a power-oriented game. Take India and Pak out of hockey, spectators will fall by more than 50%. People want to see individual skills and dribbling not mere long and boring sweep shot passes in your own 25 line.
Hockey is already losing ground to cricket in India, Pakistan and Australia and changing rules in favour of Europeans will only make the thing worst. Remember it is only India or Pakistan where you can have 80,000 people sitting in the hockey stadium.
Think about it.
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Peter D'Cruz
08-26-2003 1:41 pm
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India and Pakistan are good enough now
If one looks at recent results, India and Pakistan are good enough right now. What they are missing is adjusting their tactics during the course of match to achieve a result. India couldn't contain Poland in the Sydney Olympics and missed out in playing in the semi-finals. India wilted against the Dutch in the Champions Trophy in the last minutes of their game. And, Pakistan were comfortably ahead of India in the CT and should've easily made the finals if they were mature enough to adjust their tactics.
The rule changes that are currently in affect are good for the game. Yes, some teams will pack their 25 yard area, but that has always been the case when a team is trying to defend a lead even in the days of the two man offside. It requires high technical skill and sound tactical play to beat a packed defense and the Indians and Pakistanis have the ability. They have to learn how to get a result in a tournament and get to a finals match by expending the least amount of energy. The problem is coaching in these countries. Fix this and they have a chance to win on astroturf against anyone.
And, please don't ever make the case again of going back to playing on grass, offside, obstruction, the handstop, the bully, etc., etc., etc.
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Can Fan
08-26-2003 2:52 pm
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Why change....?
Who are we making these rule changes for anyway? Is it the 85 percentile? At the club level our hockey , as it is now, is just fine.
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Dutchie
08-26-2003 3:13 pm
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Good choice
I think the four quarters are a good point, but 9 players is not possible then i think i will get a hartattack. Its the team tactics to make the playingfield bigger. In the past we had the offside thats gone so the playingfield should allready be bigger.
And we need more camera's around the hockeyfield and more replays like they have with icehockey. Then people like the sport more even if they dont play it.
Ciao,
Dutchie
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santanu
08-26-2003 4:12 pm
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skill vs speed
Dear Randy i am not a conspiracy theorist nor am i whining its only that from the spectators' point of view even team games have room for individual brilliance . Certain recent developments appear to further the cause of relatively non creative techniques like sueprfast pc shots over creative skills like beating your man one on one with stickwork . holland and australia with their speed and total hockey didnt really beat pakistan hands down did they ? so asian hockey is alive and well but as Shahid pointed out, to come to terms with astro turf one needs to grow up playing in it , the "ground realities" :-) dont allow for that .... and there europeans have a "fair" advantage .
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Randy Sagoo
08-26-2003 7:11 pm
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Re: Speed vs Skill
I grew up playing hockey in Canada. Started on grass. But i was always taught to treat the ball like a hot potato. Pass it to the next player on the move. Thats what India and Pakistan has to do. They have to adapt to the changing game otherwise soon they are going to find that they cant even qualify for the Olympics. Countries like Japan, Spain and Korea will be the next super powers in the game.
As for the ppl complaining about Astroturf, get your governments to stop their military spending on Nukes and start spending it to get rid of poverty which will lead ppl to demand better sport facilities.
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Reality Check
08-27-2003 12:16 am
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Time and Turf
Most hockey is played at the club level. Rule changes should only be adopted that benefit the grassroots or the game will die.
#1:Length of Game
An 80 minute game with three breaks would probably have to fit into a 2 hour turf slots instead of a 1 1/2 hour slot, so increasing the turf rental costs to club players by 33%.
#2: Grass v Artificial
This has nothing to do with European v Asian, but simple finances. In wet climates, on an hourly basis, artificial is cheaper than well maintained grass, even though the capital cost is higher. Artificial can be used for about 15 times the number of hours a year than good grass, and a good grass pitch has very limited daily use.
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ritesh
08-27-2003 5:45 am
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need for visionary person to run FIH
hockey needs an visionary person to run this game professionally the world over . we see new rules every year . why cannot we say this is a set of rules(as any one wants but no tinkering them again & again) & then leave it for some good period of time say for 2/3 years . then see the result .
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Can Fan
08-27-2003 10:10 am
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Re: Reality Check....
That is the reality of hockey. We now have "fieldturf" which mimics grass. Where maintenance costs are rising astronomically, grass fields are a rare commodity.
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Shahid
08-27-2003 11:43 am
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Think about it!!
Take a look at a few sports from the point of view of countries economical situation that play them and are successful.
19 Soccer: basic equipment is very cheap. Take a bal, some shoes (for beginning jogging shoes would do) and play and have fun at any park, meadow, public ground etc.
--:>> played in almost all countries of the world by people from all social classes, is one the most popular game -->> sponsors seem to have endless amount of money to spend for that game.
2) Golf: very expensive equipment (one player needs some dozen different sticks), ground is expensive with high maintanance costs
-->> only played by rich people around the world -->> sponsors also find enough money for the game but no common person can think of playing golf (in Asia, Africa and even in the WEST)
3) Voleyball: cheap equipment, one ball, one net and a plain place to set the net. Take some friends and go and have fun.
-->> played all over the world by alll kind of people -->> sponsors spend money
4) Cricket: cheap equipment: one bat, one ball, three wickets (or a piece of wood do), a plain place for crease. (any plain path in a park etc. would do as crease) -->but rules of the game are difficult and can last upto 5 days!!! --->> only played in countries with people that seem to have plenty of time (:> sorry, no hard feelings. that's how I see this) --->>> sponsors pay good money in a few countries, in other countries cricket players are not payed well.
Think about it!
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Freakphil
08-27-2003 1:25 pm
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It´s not the rules, it is the organisation...
I have to admitt that I am not an expert in Asian Hockey butfrom what I see the realy reason why India or Pakistan are jut good average these days is the organization of Hockey in these countries: who is playing in a national team there?? the ebst players? nooo..the friend of some minister or the relative of some coach...it is not about sports any more but also about politics. how do u wanna stay competitive if u let the organization of a whole sport in the hands of people like these?? It is not only about politics in the asian countries - just ake a look at FIH: thre u have the same problems...people sometimes talking about the "Dutch Mafia" and thigs like that, I think they are not thaaat wrong.
Taslking about Teun De Nojer I have to say that I was deeply impressed by his performance. Maybe he is not the most skillfull player in the world but for sure the most valueable a tea can get. Modern hockey is not about dribling ONLY, it has become an attractive mixture of skills, speed, athletics and cleverness but some people will always look back t the "good old days" not only in hockey...
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Tom Harris
08-27-2003 5:31 pm
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Nine Players
Fifteen years ago when there was talk of reducing the number of players, there was limited substitution. The reply was that if the number of players were reduced, then fewer players would have the opportunity to play.
Now we have free substiution and some are saying that 16 is the number of people who would be needed if the nine on the field were to be able to play at a fast pace for the entire game.
The fact is that hockey is the most crowded field game. That is if you divide the entire area of play by the number of players, there is less square meters per player. To make matters worse, we have sticks in our hands which enables us to defend a larger area than say a soccer football player.
Regarding the rules that have changed, it seems to me that all of those that have been made permanent by the FIH Rules Board have made hockey more exciting to watch and simpler to understand by the new spectator or player.
Regarding the Asian hockey, it would seem that they are lacking a strategy which is the responsibility of the coach and not the skills and tactics which would seem to be the responsibility of the individual players.
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Hockey Fan
08-28-2003 6:09 am
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Hockey is brilliant!
Watched and enoyed the champions trophy. To have played 6 games in 9 days, and have entertained us all ....the players , umpires and officials need to be thanked by us all. On my return watched an English premier football league match ...paid the equivalent of $50 to watch the game, in a dirty stadium... with terrible food and filthy toilets.
We have a fantastic sport, however we need to convince more people to watch it live ..... not tinker with the rules. Hope Pakistan can be as organised when the Champions trophy is played next. Massive thankyou to the Dutch for the fantastic 9 days and well done the players!!!!
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RA
08-28-2003 8:20 am
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RAndy Sagoo
Your comments reminded me of the days when I started hockey playing some very low level hockey, but dear here we are talking about international hockey of highest order. You will never have a packed stadium unless either India or Pakistan are palying their 'dodge' style hockey. you comments look like to be exerts from a fifth division team in Hong Kong.
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ZIA AFTAB
08-28-2003 1:26 pm
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THEN DONT CALL IT HOCKEY
EUROPEAN CHANGED THIS GAME SO QUICKLY AND DRAMITICALLY, ATLEAST PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO LOVE TO SEE REAL HOCKEY SHOULD TURN THEIR INTEREST OF WATCHING SOCCER BUT NOT HOCKEY. INDIA AND PAKISTAN DOMINATED THE GAME FOR SEVERAL DECADES AND EUROPEANS HAD TO THINK HOW (I WOULD LIKE TO SAY) TO RUIN THE STRUCTURE TO BE ON TOP. WELL IN COMING THOUSAND AND THOUSAND OF YEARS, THEY CAN CHANGE HOCKEY UPSIDE DOWN BUT THEY WILL NEVER EVER PRODUCE DHEHAN CHAND/HANIF KHAN. I HAVE ALREADY SEEN GREAT HOCKEY FOR MANY DECADES, BUT JUST WONDERING THAT THE NEW GENERATION WILL EVEN DONT KNOW HOW INDIAN AND PAKISTAN DOMINATED THIS GAME FOR SUCH A LONG TIME. I WOULD RATHER ADVISE MY SON TO PLAY PING PONG INSTEAD.
JUST CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE. GOOD BYE HOCKEY.
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CAN Fan
08-28-2003 2:21 pm
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RE: RA
Any changes have an effect on the GRASS roots. Hockey is played at the "highest " level but by a very "small" percentage of the Hockey community and so a small change has a huge rippling effect to the community as a whole.
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Canuck
08-29-2003 1:05 pm
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9 a side
If creating space is the objective don't go out and gut your game. Consider the player movement rules used in Field Lacrosse where a team must always have a minimum of three players on each side (half) of the field. This creates a 6 on 7 situation for offence, opens up the field and makes one on one skill critical. Most important it prevents the "kitty bar the door" defence used by less skilled teams to bottle up the "D". Come to think of it, it might make the "D" redundant. Why do you have that ridiculus line anyway?
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Kenya->Canada
08-29-2003 2:00 pm
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growing up in Kenya in the 50's & 60's Hockey was played on a shale type surface (however I played soccer). At that time India and Pakistan were on top of the world. And my cousins the Fernandes's who played for Kenya emulated the style of play from the brilliant Asians players that toured Kenya.
Anyway my point is that the Asians changed the face of hockey by devising a way to win games within the rules of the sport of that time. I.e. the Indian dribble.
There are comments on this post regarding the surface (Astro) being fast and thus taking the skill and flair out of the sport. But was not hard court surface, similar in speed to Astro turf when India and Pakistan were on top?. In my opinion grass fields took away the flair and skills of the Indian dribble and brought it to a slower pace. Astro turf allows the Indian dribble to run true and at top speed, as I witnessed as a boy. India players running at top speed and still being able to perform individual magic with the ball.
It would be nice to see India and Pakistan change their focus away from why they are loosing games (blaming it to the changes in the playing surfaces and rules) to HOW TO WIN GAMES. They were able to be innovative at one time why not again.
I now coach FH and I teach to only use the dribble to kill time or get out of trouble. (I hope I am right)
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Canuck
08-29-2003 6:22 pm
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If creating space is the objective don't go out and gut your game. Consider the player movement rules used in Field Lacrosse where a team must always have a minimum of three players on each side (half) of the field. This creates a 6 on 7 situation for offence, opens up the field and makes one on one skill critical. Most important it prevents the "kitty bar the door" defence used by less skilled teams to bottle up the "D". Come to think of it, it might make the "D" redundant. Why do you have that ridiculus line anyway?
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Wasimullah
08-29-2003 7:27 pm
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The aspect of the dribble
Dear Kenya--Canada,
I would disagree with the fact that the grass slowed the pace. In fact the grass made it manageable. Today if speed is applied by the Indian forward, the uncertainty of his movement his given away. a flat stick easily disposses the ball. to counter that the player have now started to show their back, running in a semi-circle and passing backward. none of this makes hockey any attractive.
In recent times India and Pak have been concentrating on getting PC 's and forcing the goals via drag flick experts. Sohail Abbas is a beauty of Pakistani adaption to the new game. However this has made the game a brutal one with raw force as the winner. The fludity of motion in the midfield is often lost to useless backpassing.
None of the changes proposed are revolutionary in any way. Its best to leave the game as it is..
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Salman Aziz
08-30-2003 5:13 am
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Let Field Hockey be Field Hockey
even a 70 mins game is taking toll on players that they need rolling substitution, why go to 80 and have more quaters, that wil lengthen the over all match and besides the sort of style is only in ice hockey and the world which is more into soccer like the game of two halves instead. the offside rule change in 96 shud be reverted to the older one, and i disagree to people who say game is all about team and not individuals, football for example has quite different game styles, even in europe for eg. dutch played sweeper, german attacking, and italian defence, so why cant the subcontinental and europeans given fair chance to show their styles of play, one rule i heard a senior player commenting on shud be implemented is like as in tennis countries shud be allowed to have there own choice or pitch, for example poor asian and african countries who find hard to buy astroturf shud be allowed to have official grass venues this will have be interesting to see effect on game on grass n artifical pitches
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Sukh
08-30-2003 3:10 pm
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India's demise can be linked to the introduction of astro, but I also feel that we have not been producing enough world class players for many years. We may have had 1 player per generation who could walk into a world XI. This was not the case in the 60s or before. This is because of poor infrastructure, especially at the grass roots level- not enough pitches, no national league, pathetic administration, lack of interest from the public etc...
Pakistan has been much more succesful because they had fantastic players in the late 70s-early 80s ( they dominated on astr) & then Shahbaz's era. Now, they are struggling as well. Both teams need to raise the levels of domestic hockey & should be looking at 5-8 year plans to become competitive.
Astro has made tackling a lot easier than on grass & this has hurt India much more than Pakistan as they like to dribble all the time. Pakistani teams are much better at moving the ball quickly AND dribbling when necessary. they have also been mentally much stronger than India for many years.
Modern hockey can be beautiful to watch, but there are some negatives- like the unfair advantage ( a bad decision from an umpire can or an unlucky deflection onto a foot result in a goal) of a PC, crowded Ds on free hits, reliance on power.
I feel 70 mins is OK, but I feel the D should be enlarged to increase open play goals & somehow PCs should be made less important- maybe a PC should become a long corner with 5 attackers v. 4 defenders (untill the ball is cleared beyond the 25yd line).
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SSP
08-30-2003 3:17 pm
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Kenya-Canada
I remember tyhe great Indian, Pakistani & Kenyan teams of the late 60s & early 70s. International matches in Nairobi were played on a murram pitch, which was smoother & possibly faster than grass. However hockey was still played with a 'vertical' stick for tackling & dribbling which favoured the attacker. On astro the defender has a much better chance of intercepting a forward with a flat stick & passes are much more precise.
On a separate note, I remember Leo Fernandes on the right wing playing some wonderful hockey & really enjoyed some of Kenya's wins against Holland, Germany, Pakistan & India.
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SWB
08-30-2003 5:52 pm
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I personally think the Pakistani and Indian hockeyfans are way too focussed on the rule changes to explain why their countries have stopped dominating the world hockey scene, and as a result continuously overlook the true reason.
Back in the time when Pakistan/India still dominated, until the early to mid seventies, several parts of the game that now have a significant impact on the outcome of a game were underdeveloped. Think about tactics (including passing patterns), conditioning etc. Over the years, teams like Holland, Germany and Australia (and recently also for instance South Korea) developed these aspects of the game, and as a result became better teams than the Pakistani/Indians. Pakistan and India may still have been the best dribbling teams in the world, but once other aspects of the game were developed dribbling wasn't the only factor in hockey anymore. As a result, Pakistan and India who had neglected to develop the other aspects of their game fell behind. They were still the best dribbling teams, but had overall been surpassed by other teams who had developed these aspects. It is therefore not entirely surprising that once the Pakistani employed Hans Jorritsma as their coach, a man who knew a lot about tactics, teamplay, conditioning and (defensive) organisation, the Pakistani improved and one the World Cup, whereas after Jorritsma left their international play declined again.
Another thing in which Pakistan and India tend to be behind Holland, Germany and Australia among others is the organization. Here in Holland for instance players play for clubs playing in leagues which vary in strength, with promotion/relegation regulations. These leagues last the better part of the year (in Holland the league starts next week, and runs till may with a break during the winter months). Coaches are educated systematically and the know how is tranfered from one coach to the other. These things as far as I know are not present in India, and IMO would be better circumstances to develop young players and elevate their level than what happens now. One thing that sometimes strikes me as odd is that the Indian/Pakistan coaches are nearly always great players form the past, who are automatically assumed to also be great coaches. This is not always the case, since coaching is something entirely different (think already about the mental and team building aspects). Now once the performances aren't up to expectations coaches are blamed and fired, whereas they often can't be blamed because they simply weren't taught properly how to coach. (that is at least the idea I get from Indian/Pakistan hockey, correct me if I am wrong)
To me, hockey today is a teamsport in which teamwork is vital and passing, physical fitness, tactics, mental fitness ánd dribbling are all major parts. When a team doesn't play like a team it is bound to lose. However, it is still individual skill which will decide games, as Teun de Nooijer showed at this year's CT and for instance Stephan Veen demonstrated during the Syney olympic final in 2000 to give a few examples.
It may be true that Pakistani and Indian hockey has been hurt by the introduction of astroturf, especially due to the lack of pitches in these countries. However, keep in mind that dribbling with the ball is more difficult on grass, meaning a player who learned it well on grass should excell on astroturf, on which due to the flat surface things can be done with the ball which were not possible on grass, with an unprecedented speed. Once India and Pakistan acknowledge that there are some aspects of their play which need development, and work on this, they shoudl be able to contend for every major trophy. However as long as they don't do this, they will most likely just come up short in most tournaments, with an incidental win here and there.
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SWB
08-30-2003 5:52 pm
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Salman
"i disagree to people who say game is all about team and not individuals, football for example has quite different game styles, even in europe for eg. dutch played sweeper, german attacking, and italian defence"
You certainly have a point (even though you have mixed up a few playing styles, for instance the Dutch style may well be the most offensive one besides the Brazilian). I do think this is the case in modern hockey too: The subcontinental style favours all out attacking but is often naieve and somewhat disorganised when it comes to defending. The Dutch and Australian styles are quite alike IMO, both physically fit tactically sound teams which are skilled, also favour attacking (though not to the extend that Pakistan /India do) but are better organised defensively. The German style for instance is more defensive, retreating and waiting for an error by the opponent, and to make the opponents pay for every one of these. As history has shown all these styles can be effective, with Germany winning the CT and WC, Australia winning the CT, Holland winning the WC, Olympics and CT and Pakistan winning the CT and WC once their organisation and tactics were ok.
"one rule i heard a senior player commenting on shud be implemented is like as in tennis countries shud be allowed to have there own choice or pitch, for example poor asian and african countries who find hard to buy astroturf shud be allowed to have official grass venues this will have be interesting to see effect on game on grass n artifical pitches"
Definitely an interesitng proposition. One thing that would have to be carefully considered though would be that while the characteristics of an astroturf pitch are quite standardised and easy to maintain, this is not the case for natural grass pitches. IE in my opinion if this were the case several demands would have to be made about the pitch, to prevent countries form utilizing for instance extremely bumpy pitches to their extreme advantages. (while a different playing surface would not be a problem, using a pitch that would just favor the host country which would be extremely used to it, contrary to all other countries, including the other grass using ones).
Consideirng the newest rule proposals:
*I am not opposed to 4 periods of 20 minutes. However, I feel to see how the rule would improve the game, so I don't see the need to change the game from it's traditional format.
*9 players on the pitch would mean the game would have to be pretty much reinvented. I am not in favor of this change.
*The recent rule proposal about the increasing of the goal sizes is one I don't agree with either. Scoring is fine as it is, and having to enlarge all goals would cost massive amounts of money.
One more remark on the offside rule:
This rule was actually created with two things in mind in my opinion:
1. Promote attacking play, defenses could no longer catch players in their offside trap, offensive play would be improved. It may not have gone totally well though, considering that defenders were now forced to cover players deep in their own territory, rather than wait for the offside call. As a result defenses don't always move as far upfield as they used to do.
2. The offside rule often led to bitter discussion about borderline decisions. With football, where the rule is still in place, this is still the case. Those who follow football closely know how often bitter discussions are held on whether there was offside or not during game deciding situations. Considering the even higher speed of hockey, making these decisions was even harder. Now offside no longer exists, this has also taken away all the bitter discussions which used to be held.
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sardar
08-30-2003 7:27 pm
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hockey real hockey(RE:RANDY)
ONLY INDIA AND PAK ......MAKE STADIUMS FULL
DODGE AND DRIBBLE R HEART AND SOUL OF HOCKEY
NO THIRD CLASS PLAYER FROM A COUNTRY WHICH ALWAYS STRUGGELS TO QUALIFY FOR ....................
U KNOW WHAT
IF U CAN'T DODGE OR DRIBBLE THEN ITS UR PROBLEM
AND U KNOW THOSE WHO CAN'T DODGE OR DRIBBLE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY HOCKEY LEAVE ALONE YOUR ADVISES ABOUT HOCKEY.
GO AND SEE A PSYCH-------.
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Randy Sagoo
08-31-2003 3:45 am
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SWB Bravo
Very good comments. You put it into the words what i was trying to say in my previous posts. Thanks.
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moltedo
09-01-2003 9:50 am
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As a skilful player I prefer to keep sticks made of wood but with a composite layer, not made all of composite, I do not agree with reducing to 9 players each team, I rather prefer to play 10 players each team a side. Good idea the one of four quarters instead of two. and will keep on thinking rules to avoid congestion in the las 25 yards, such as award a long corner when a shot hits the post and went trought the end line or possesion if it goes to the side line.
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moltedo
09-01-2003 10:01 am
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Yet another rule to change PC importance: actually you can keep one foot outsede the field, what about a rule that the two feets must be outside the field and push mandatori obligation to serve the PC, this will reduce speed and power in serving and is a way to protect the defenders of PC.
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BRIAN PEREIRA, GOA INDIA
09-13-2005 4:05 am
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MY VIEWS ON HOCKEY
Interesting debate in this website regarding rule changes, administration of the game and commercial considerations. I am a hockey fan since the last 20 years and I feel that there is no use crying or blaming astro turf and speed game involved for lack of wins by India. It has got more to do with the infrastructure. I for one would openly ask the Indian Hockey Federation why you have not seen to it that there is atleast one astro turf in each state of India and why dont they come forward and finance them or help them. In Goa you dont even have a single astro turf. Surprising , considering that Goa has produced so many Olympians and many Goans still play in Mumbai. None considered it important to promote the game in Goa. A country like USA has 600 astro turf where school children play hockey and coached right from a young age and in fact they have to pay for the coaching. India has around 15 to 18 I think and u think that u can produce international players with grass grounds.
Commercial considerations are important since the game requires huge amount of money to maintain the ground, teams kits, sticks, coaches remuneration, etc. People who think commerce is not important are living in a fools paradise. What do u think a player will play the game for time pass, he has to be remunerated sufficeintly. The game has to be marketed like cricket with 6 to 8 cameras giving different angles, slow motion, and I think i would be good idea to have two breaks of ten minutes for advertisements. the game could be played for 3 sessions of 20 mins with break of 5 minutes. Also time outs could be given to teams for a duration of say 2 minutes during the entire game. Reducing the no. of players is not a good idea coz it would be too radical a move.
Also safety considerations should be taken into account during penalty corners , since it is very absurd , to think that a defender has to move towards a fast sometimes rising ball travelling at such high speed, it could be fatal sometimes. Many hockey enthusiast avoid the game as they consider it dangerous, especially penalty corners. Consier this, a person playing cricket plays with a hard cricket ball which can also cause injury, but a batsmen has a helmet, a ankle gaurd, a ball gaurd, a glove , gaurd for the stomach, thighs, etc. Compared to that in hockey what are the safety aspects for a player, only a shin gaurd and perhaps a new introduction in USA a mouth gaurd. What about the eyes, neck , and other vital organs in case of a hit , or a rising ball, the goalie is sufficiently padded up but what about the other players.
I for one would suggest , that the penalty corner should be made more indirect, that is the ball should move from the stopper to another player and then another player who only can strike the ball in the goal . This would prevent just brute force being used to score goals. Or as an alternative , during penalty corners, there should be a restriction on the no. of players who should be allowed in the attacking team and the defending team so that the ball is more visible, the rest of the players should be asked to stay outside the half line , so that they should not be involved until the penalty corner is completed or the ball goes out of play.
I hope the game develops and returns to its past glory in India and Pakistan. Also it can be a huge market considering the sheer nos. We can easily get the fans back in the stadiums, if we have games under lights in the evenings, so that office goes can come and watch the game, also live matches shown on television. No use blaming KPS GILL or JYOTIKUMARAN for the state of hockey in India. I think we , hockey lovers in India should form our own association not necessarily as a counter against the iNDIAN HOCKEY FEDERATION, but as another alternative just as Prakash Padakone had done in Badminton. Sports should not be run by Goverment but by the people. Govt. could only provide the infrastructure and coaches, etc and financial support for schoold desiring to impart hockey in their schoold by giving kits, shoes, etc. Anyone can contact me at redcherry_goa@yahoo.com
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BRIAN PEREIRA
09-13-2005 4:13 am
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COMPOSITE HOCKEY STICK
I THINK USE OF COMPOSITE HOCKEY STICK IS ANOTHER NEW MOVE TO COMPLETLY PUT INDIAN AND POORER COUNTRIES OUT OF THE HOCKEY WORLD. CAN U IMAGINE A YOUNG HOCKEY ENTHUSIAST BUYING A HOCKEY STICK FOR 10,000/- JUST TO PLAY THE GAME. THIS EFFORT SHOULD BE STOPPED BEFORE IT BECOMES MANDATORY. THIS EXPERIMENT SHOULD BE STALLED AT ONCE. ALSO SPEED HOCKEY IS NOT ATTRACTIVE. DO U FIND IT NICE IF YOU CANNOT SPOT THE BALL DURING A GAME IF IT JUST KEEPS ON MOVING FORM ONE BACKLINE TO THE OTHER. IT WILL BECOME A GAME OF JUST WHO IS GOOD AT HITTING THE BALL. SKILL OR DRIBBLE MAKES THE GAME LOOK WONDERFUL AND SPECTATOR FRIENDLY. WHOEVER THINKS DRIBBLE IS NOT ATTRACTIVE, OR DODGING IS NOT , SHOULD ASK A SOCCER PLAYER, DEFT BODY FEINTS AND OTHER MANOUEVERERS MAKE THE GAME SO APPEALING. ASK RONALDO, OR A DAVID BECKHAM, IF THEY WERE ONLY TO SHOOT THE BALL FROM THIS GOAL TO THAT GOAL WOULD IT BE APPEALING TO THE SPECTATORS. ...........IT IS A BIG NO.
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