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December 26, 2002 
Dana Brzozkiewicz
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By Dana Brzozkiewicz
Comprised of faces from around the world, the US mens field hockey team symbolizes the heart and soul of America: its cultural diversity. By
participating in international tournaments and socializing in each other’s homes, the team members experience a variety of backgrounds and ideals that
enriches their lives and increases their knowledge. Regardless of different faces, the team members' open minds and common goals surpass these differences while continuing to connect and share similar experiences. On and off the field, this diverse team unites as one and is working toward becoming the face of success.
A Unique Face Mask
Born in Pakistan, a country with sizable field hockey popularity, Afzal Siddiqui accredits family and culture as determining factors in picking up goalie pads and a mask. At age 22, Siddiqui began field hockey at UC Berkeley and played with past-Olympians.
"I chose field hockey because it was familiar in Pakistan and I had Uncles play there," Siddiqui said. "I had always been a goalie as a kid because I liked to be the one to save the team."
Now playing with the men’s elite team, Siddiqui incorporates his own culture with those of his team members, teaching, sharing and learning at the same time. Siddiqui stayed with the family of Ian Scally, also a member of the elite team who is from Argentina, and discovered a new way of life.
"It was eye opening for me to stay with Ian’s family and learn more about Argentina and South America," Siddiqui said. "Ian’s dad is a two-time Olympian for Argentina and taught me how to balance field hockey in my life and how to make sacrifices."
On the field, each player brings a new element to the team and Head Coach Shiv Jagday combines the players’ diverse backgrounds into a cohesive group.
"Everyone brings something different," Siddiqui said. "Shiv sees what we are good at and encourages us to merge our talents with the group."
The Face of Defense
At age 10, Shawn Nakamura picked up a stick after his father saw a field hockey advertisement. Inspired by the enthusiasm of a former national team player, Nakamura made the junior national team at age 15 and was selected twice as US male field hockey athlete of the year in 1999 and 2001. Now, he leads the team into a future with endless possibilities.
"At first, I played field hockey for fun," Nakamura said. "Lately, I know our team can come together and make the Olympics."
Goal-orientated and driven by heart, Nakamura respects and learns from the diverse backgrounds of his teammates.
"I’ve learned a lot about Indian culture by playing on the team," Nakamura said. "When I was younger, I was afraid of the Indian food and now I love it."
On the field, Nakamura doesn’t feel culture plays a huge part during the game and likes to think that the US team is made up of the best from every country.
"In Scotland, a technical delegate said, ‘the best from India and Japan play on the US team,’" Nakamura said. "My teammates are from a lot of different places, but I don’t see an Indian or a Pakistan. I see an American."
Facing Forward
Born in England with an Indian heritage, Rinku Bahmber watched his father and Uncle establish the LA Tigers club at age 12. Influenced by his family, other older Indian players and the Indian community, Bahmber grew up with field hockey and played in numerous clubs in Los Angeles, Camarillo and Moorpark.
"In India, field hockey is a bigger sport and more of a national past time than in the United States. I saw my dad and Uncle's passion for the game and they influenced me to become passionate, too." Bahmber said. "Playing field hockey was engraved in my blood. Now, I can't stay away for more than a week."
Bahmber learned how to make a team great by being a leader on a national team. Being committed, staying passionate and having a vision are the sources for success, according to Bahmber.
"Seeing the commitments my teammates have made and the vision that our coach has for us is what keeps me going," Bahmber said.
In order to connect as a team, the mens' field hockey team discusses their individual goals and motivations to inspire each other to work harder and accomplish similar objectives.
"Despite the team's different cultures and backgrounds, we are working to all have one vision and goal in mind that will keep us working together at the same level and ultimately, unite our team."

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Jeev
12-27-2002 3:21 am
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Hats off to the Americans for such a diversed team. But I've seen another country with a more diversed hockey team - Malaysia. They have Malays, Indians, Punjabis and Chinese playing under one team and still maintaining their cultural heritage.
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Well Done!
12-27-2002 1:28 pm
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Aswell your neighbors to the North are the same. Congrats for this!
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Pablo
12-27-2002 2:51 pm
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Why congratulations?!? Why?!?
This is a shame, and you don`t have to feel proud for this. It is easy to create a good team by selecting players from different countries. As the article said, many athletes are not americans. They went to USA when they already learned how to play hockey !!! And the story of patriotism is a lie !!!
For example, I could build one very good national team by hiring players from another country ( India, Pakistan, Holland, Germany ) that don`t play for their national teams and yet they are better than the American Team. And this make my team special, or truth? And who can garantee that these player play for my national team for love of my country? This is all conversation !!!
Bye.
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Stick
12-27-2002 6:03 pm
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Diversity
Sigh!
Sometimes it's almost as though the Americans think they INVENTED cultural diversity!
In the US, Men's field hockey is for the most part a story told by first and second generation migrants as they're the only ones who can think past the "hockey is a girl's game" paradigm.
It's a pity that the only thing you can write about the US team is it's cultural diversity... You might as well post an article talking about how the Australian men's hockey team consist of MALE players, or how the Chinese hockey team is playing with HOCKEY STICKS!
Big deal.
Even the the most apparrently monocultural teams have an element of diversity to them.
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Tom Harris
12-27-2002 10:35 pm
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Dana
Thank you for writing such a nice article about a men's sport that is all but forgotten in the U.S. It was well written with a good angle. If you had more space you could have included several more ethniciities and mixtures of ethnicities of the young men who play hockey in this country.
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International team
12-28-2002 11:43 am
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International team
I'm not saying that this is not an american team, because i don't know these players, but it looks like it's not an USA team, but a team maide up of international players. OK they live and work in the states but a lot of those guys were born in other countries, just like the Canadian indoor team that looks like a team from Pakistan or India.
What i whant to say is not that those guys shouldn't be playing and when you have one or two guys from an other country playing for the team it's ok, but five or more in a team of 18 it's not OK. It turns what should be a national team into a International selection of players.
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Mansoor
12-28-2002 3:42 pm
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Hockey is Realy Popular in Pakistan
I think Hockey is far more popular as said in this article
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greg nathan
12-28-2002 4:46 pm
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pablo and stick
Why is it that whenever someone writes an article (especially one as unobjectionable as this one) people feel the need to create contoversy. There are plenty of truly controversial issues surrounding hockey so don't waste your time inventing issues where none really exist.
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Tom Harris
12-28-2002 6:04 pm
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Immigration
I am not positive, but I believe that all the players on the U.S. Men's Team learned to play hockey in the U.S. For example, I do not believe that Rinku played in England.
Also, I think all of them were born here with two or three exceptions. If someone could name those who were not born here, it would be interesting.
Whatever the case, it takes about five years to get a U.S. passport after a person immigrates so it would take quite a while to build a team of top players who learned to play elsewhere.
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Re: International Team..
12-28-2002 10:18 pm
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man don't even bring out the canadian team... they guys who are representing canada, they love there country and they know how to represent maple leaf... it doesn't matter where they are born, when ur a citizen of a country, you belong in that country.... you are part of that country.... every player represnts their country to the fullest to their abilities.. doesn't matter where they are born..
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You all have forgotten America
12-28-2002 11:16 pm
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All of the players on the US team are American citizens! They have to be to play on the team! Thus, it is truly multicultural because so many of them are bicultural and bilingual and parents or grandparents stem from so many different places, and that is what makes America unique. So many different cultures interacting in one place. That is what defines America.
Another comment is that the US field hockey is an UNDERDOG in America and in the world. Most American sports teams are pompous and arrogant and number 1. USA field hockey has to win the world over still, and that is what makes it so cool. That the superpower of the world has a team that is the underdog. I think that's what makes them great and that's what will make them triumph.
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Swillbilly
12-29-2002 10:35 am
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International team
Can you read?
Did you read the part about how these kids started playing in USA because their fathers or uncles had a passion for the game?
How does that make the Pakistani or Indian players?
read it again
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Honestly
12-29-2002 5:46 pm
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US Filed hockey
Lets be honest as long as you are male and have a pulse in the US it does not matter what your heratage may be, as soon as you pick up a Filed Hockey stick you are part of the Junior National program. Then if you have a little bit of athletic ability you get a full cap and if your parents have lots of cash then you can play pretty much for as long as you wish. Place of birth or heritage is not an issue they just need bodies!!!!!!
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Observer
12-29-2002 6:33 pm
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Re: International Team
You are dead wrong! These guys were either born in the USA or American Citizens. They are as American as anybody else. As a Canadian, I would like you to know that the Canadian Team members do have Indian/Pakistani names but they are proud of the Cdn Flag and will take on any country any time.
Your comments about putting a limit on number of players on the team is similar to the French Right Wing Party members complaining about a large number of black players repersenting France at the World Cup (Soccer). By the way, the same team won the Cup and did France proud.
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International Team
12-29-2002 10:37 pm
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First of all Swillbilly, the comment about a Paskistani or Indian team was about the canadians, because in 12 players, only 2 of them looked canadians. I'm no saying that you have to look canadian to play, because there is no such a thing. But at least you need to be born in the country. Ok you may get a citizenchip,but i think they should have a limit (now is for observer), not for the color, names or anything else, but for international players, playing for other countries.
Because if they don't establish such a limit, a country like Bolivia (just an exemple) could get 10 internacional players, give them a citizenship and put on a high level team to will international competitions. What do you think about that?
And please don't came talkin'g about cultural diversity in the US, you have a lot of diferent races on your country but also the prejudice between them is huge. The best example of cultural diversity and races living together is Brazil.
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Pablo
12-30-2002 6:18 am
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Oh, sure !!! With money and jobs available, I can hire an international player to play for a national team, and, believe it, they will love this country. Watch the Cuba national team, or the Mexico team, and even Argentinean team. It is a shame that the Panamerican Hockey Federation, and even the International Hockey Federation, allow these countries being representing by these players. I do not discuss the quality of their game. They are excellent players, but they were only hired to play for the American team. Canada is the same thing. You don't see this is other sports, only in field hockey.
And International Player, I agree with you. The Canadian team is the same thing or even worst than the American Team. And I am sad to know that they are proud of this. They only think and want to have the strongest national team to play in the international level and win competitions.
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Shawn Hindy
12-30-2002 9:02 am
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Great article from an awesome writer and girlfriend!
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Amazed
12-30-2002 11:03 am
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Ignorance
I nominate the moron Pablo for the most ignorant posting of 2002. The comment "they were only hired to play for the American team. Canada is the same thing" is just pitiful nonsense. You must be a United States citizen (no easy task) to be on the team. No one is paid...only an amateur sport...There are not monies being paid out or cushy jobs being tendered.
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To Pablo
12-30-2002 11:27 am
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Sure - if the US or Canada were to "hire" players, don't you think the perfomance would be a bit better?
This is the state of our countries - large immigrantion. You can not fault that we tend to find our players in new citizens or 1st or 2nd generation Americans. I am a 1st Generation AMERICAN, and that is what my nationailty is AMERICAN.
If I were to play for a country, it would be the US, not the country of my parents.
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Steve S.
12-30-2002 11:58 am
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Nationalities in hockey...
Paolo is an idiot. The rest of us shouldn't pay any attention.
In case he, or others, don't know this - there is almost NO money available to play hockey in the United States. This applies to the National Team program as well as to any club teams. A very few men, and a few more women, get a couple of hundred dollars a month to be on the National Teams. Ot takes a LOT more money than that to live in the US.
These players come together and learn about each other because they love to play hockey. The same reason that MOST of the readers on this web site are reading.
Good luck everyone.
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Swillbilly
12-30-2002 12:04 pm
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Int Team and Pablo
Hired to play for the National team? I suggest you have had too much to drink over the holiday season. No one has ever been"hired" to play for the Canadian National team, no one has ever been given citizenship to play here either.
Any or all of the Canadians born outside Canada on the National team
came to Canada at a young age, lets say 5 years old, most of them never picked up a stick before they came to Canada. How have you gleaned so much information from looking at their pictures?
where did I mention anything about the cultural diversity in USA?
I do not live in the USA and I never will, lately the racism in North America has reached its highest peak in many years but your assertions about how these players came to be on the national team are simply incorrect and you are both completely oblivious to the facts.
I repeat no player has ever been hired by Canada to play for the national team and no player has ever been given citizenship in hopes that he would play for the national team.
You are both comletely wrong and should be sportsmen enough to admit it.
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Stick
12-30-2002 5:42 pm
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Greg Nathan
Please don't include me with the likes of Paolo or International Team in your "anti-controversy" requests.
If you READ my posting you'd see that I'm actually saying that the article's focus on the different cultural backgrounds of the players is somewhat banal. As I stated, the story of Field Hockey in countries where the sport is relatively new, tends to be a story told by first and second generation migrants.
Paolo, on the other hand, seems to be some kind of xenophobe who finds this simple fact, not only surprising - but offensive.
Just because I'm critical of the article on a literary level doesn't mean that I'm trying to create controversy.
Get it straight, Greg! :)
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greg nathan
12-31-2002 10:41 am
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stick
I believe I was responding to the tone of your email that was created in your first line. The, "sigh. . . sometimes it is as though The Americans think they INVENTED cultural diversity" part. My understanding of that comment was that it was not really a criticism of this particular article, but, in you oppinion, a more general attitude held by Americans. While I agree that the article is not earth shattering in its content, it is not in any way an arrogant, self satisfied missive and, in fact, it is somewhat interesting to learn that players like Sean Nakamura who is not foreign born, but of Japanese heritage are participating in adding diversity to the team. However, I certainly understand your desire not to be lumped in with Paolo and for that I apologize.
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John Gear
12-31-2002 6:30 pm
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is it true?
This is a joke...Is it true that Peter Jones is a US indoor player and captain at AGE 50? let get real....USFHA is a joke and that WHY the world looks at them in this way,the make it easy for us all to laugh at it..
I guess my father (age 78) should try out?
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Immigration
12-31-2002 10:34 pm
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Immigration is a legitimate way to include someone in a national program. Everybody has had family who've been immigrants at one point in time. No matter how many generations you have to trace back. Very few people can claim their family has lived in that one country forever. There are many different reasons for moving some of which may not have been by choice, however, a relocation has happened at some point. So when do you decide if someone may take part in that countries national programs? I believe citizenship is enough. You don't have to be born in a particular country to carry pride. I'm sorry if I'm not following the thread of this article. I know it's an important topic especially in times like these.
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RE: John Gear
01-01-2003 2:33 am
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Just to let you know, Peter Jones was responsible for a lot of the monetary aspects of forming the indoor team. He pretty much bought himself into the team......... that's it.
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Interested
01-01-2003 11:30 am
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Re: John Gear
Maybe Peter Jones is the captain and a player on the US Indoor Team at age 50 because they had secret tryouts for white born Americans.... and it was organized by an exclusive New England type group....?
I might be wrong, but that's certainly the word out there and unless they can come up with an explanation of what really transpired about the selection process, that is what will be assumed by John Public.
Maybe, typical of the arrogance normally displayed by this group, they see no reason for such an explanation.
Something to think about - look at the guys organizing the
ECPL .... "FOREIGN AMERICANS"! Put that in your freaking pipe and smoke it until you come to your senses. They do all the hard work towards improving hockey in this country and yet they always get a raw deal when it come to funding and selection.
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re: John Gear
01-01-2003 11:31 am
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my friend he is more fitter then u.. he can run all day and not get tired.. ya ur dad should give it a try...
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traxx
01-01-2003 1:34 pm
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All this energy....
If only this palpable energy could be directed to funding....vs. arguing....then Men's Hockey in the USA would stand a better chance (both Indoor and Outdoor) and take its place as the force it can be in this sport.
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Ms V
01-01-2003 6:33 pm
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It is quite funny, I thought that this article was supposed to be one with an upbeat tone, showing how people from various backgrounds, with different cultures (that are still very close to their hearts) came together. One would think in the current climate that there are some people out their not preaching fear of something they do not know a lot about. This is how I see the article. I do, however, find it quite amusing how some Americans can assume that they are 'the best' example of multiculturalism. There are many countries around the world who 'do' multiculturalism, and frankly do it very well. These countries seem to be more tolerent than the Us, all around.
Here in Australia you wouldn't blink at the other players on your hockey team (at any level) but on closer expection I notice the diverse background of some of these players. Our country was built on the back of convicts and immigrants, and she's still a very young country. Other countries have had more immigrants recently due to other world circumstances. So YES the Us is diverse but don't assume because someone looks different that they are not a national. (You'll be happy to know that I was born in Aust, have US citizenship, had a scholarship offered to me and admittance into the B Camps - but did not defect to the US. ) I however am often, but not always proud to be American.
I hope we can all look at the 'good' side of this article...
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us citizen
01-01-2003 7:35 pm
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mrs v
I am somewhat confused by your statement. It seems on one hand you are praising the article, but from an amused and somewhat superior status. You are living in Australia, correct? Well, I have lived and played hockey in Australia at a high level. It did not seem particularly diverse. In addition I believe that while I was there the controversy over the Indonesian refugees certainly seemed to bring out some racist rhetoric. Also, if you are an Australian you will be aware of the term, "New Australian". Certainly these are examples of some friction in this well "integrated" country. I have also spent a great deal of time playing hockey and living in Europe. In Lyon (southern France) I was walking through the old quarter of the city and happened upon a gang of young French Teens throwing rocks at an Algerian Store Keeper and his son and shouting racist slurs. I site these examples not to bash these countries, but rather as evidence that great nations can have problems and still be great.
I do not believe, as some Americans do, that the US is a perfect place. However, I do think that many people outside the US like to make anti American comments because they feel the US is an arrogant country. Well, we are in the unfortunate position of being number 1 in the world political structure right now. I can understand why that rankles some other nations. I am a 5th generation American. I AM ALWAYS PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN, though I am sometimes dissapointed by the actions or words of some Americans. I love America warts and all.
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traxx
01-02-2003 1:40 pm
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No country is perfect. Diversity is the backbone of every nation on this planet. Selection processes are neither perfect nor - due to scheduling and advertising always the fairest example of choosing. However, once the selections are done isn't it in everyone's best interest to support and be positive and plan for making the next round of selections? Like us citizen, I am always proud to be an American, warts and all, yet 30+ years of being raised and living in England with travel across Europe opened my eyes, before diversity was pc, just how diverse and how much the same all nations and people are. Life isn't FAIR. It just is, and it's up to us to make it better for everyone.
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ON fan
01-02-2003 8:22 pm
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International Team
Re "just like the Canadian indoor team that looks like a team from Pakistan or India"
I am angered by your ignorant comments - it doesn't matter what a team looks like, the simple fact is that the team are all Canadians. Like some of them - or their parents, I emigrated to Canada and developed my hockey here and for 12 years was proud to represent Canada as an international umpire.
It is so sad that so many people have turned a very positive article into something negative.
I am also very upset by those of you who have chosen to attack Peter Jones; Peter is a class individual who has given so much to hockey, he should be praised and thanked not attacked.
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Ms V
01-03-2003 2:28 pm
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us citizen. Yes, perhaps there is a lot of confusion surrounding this topic. I tend to take things from an optimists point of view, and regard the article in this light, however I can understand why people would ask - why did we have to coment on the diversity in the first place.
Whilst being a us citizen I was born in Aust and have lived a lot of my life here. Yes - we are not perfect either, and racism is everywhere. I guess I have heard for the past 30 years, that the US was the only multicultural country in the world, from too many people too many times. It erks me as it shows a lack of maturity on a countries part. This is where the conversation could get dangerous, as we are generalizing now. These comments are not to be taken as anti american, as they are not intended that way. Aust politics showed you just as horrific treatment of outsiders (possibly more! And I depolre them. Isn't it funny how sometimes you just do NOT support your 'leader'). However, the point was that there are many other multicultural places around the world not just the US (or Aust).
I have no idea where you played hockey, but I have travelled enough, and played/coached/umpired enough teams to see diversity if I choose to look. On a day to day basis, sure there will be racism everywhere, I have just found the Aust way to use its 'It will be all right mate in the end' attitude to often combat racism.
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01-04-2003 1:28 am
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Just curious, what does an "american or canadian" look like. What makes our counties great is that we dont profile(or do we)
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Stick
01-04-2003 3:48 am
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Greg Nathan, US citizen and Ms. V
Greg,
I concede, I was being a bit of a smart arse. Thankyou for seperating me from Paolo.
It's true, I did start that first posting with a generalization about the US. This generalization is born out of a wealth of political feeling around the world (I'm not saying it's ALWAYS justified) that has been picked up in the discussion between US Citizen and Ms. V.
For the period that I lived in the US I was constantly exposed to sentiments such as "Only in America", and "This could only happen here". Usually, the speaker was talking about some kind of cultural irony that occurs regularly as a result of many cultures occupying the same space. My immediate - though not always voiced - response was, "well, that's not true. That also happens back home", or I'd say "That kind of thing also exists in this country, or that country".
The really puzzling thing about the people who were making these statements was that they were well-travelled, well-educated people. They were of a socio-economic class that would be (I imagine) quite different to the Australians that US citizen was referring to. I even heard a well known and respected American anthropologist making, I guess you could call them US-centric statements. They were ignorant and somewhat lazy views, in any case.
Yeah, in some ways the US IS unfortunate because it happens to be the dominant economic, military and socio-cultural force in the world. And this is where the malaise sets in. From a vantage point in another country it looks like there's a torrent of cultural material spewing OUT of the US (literature, film, news, sports, music - through all of which a cultural ideology is conveyed)... we don't see much cultural material going the other way. In other words, it's a bit like being forced to listen to someone who doesn't listen to you. (This example is way too simple, but I'm putting it this way for the sake of brevity). Perhaps if a nation is in a position of "leading" it can display some leadership by also displaying some sensitivity? The flip-side to this question is: Does anyone care how sensitive Bangladesh is to the needs of others? (Bhutan, Burma and Nepal, please don't answer this question :P)
There IS a political rhetoric that is in vogue at the moment in, not just the US, but also Australia and England (we could call them the Axis of something... if we were cheeky enough) whereby any criticism of your own government is considered to be un-Australian, un-American or un-English. What people in the 'States may not be aware of, is that amongst certain factions in Australia (like our right-wing government) criticism of the US is "un-Australian".
There's a big difference between being "critical" and "anti-American" - but there's no difference between calling someone "Un-Australian/American etc..." because they have a different opinion to you - and being a fascist.
So far, it seems like Traxx is the only one on the - dare I say it - right track. :D
In this posting I've talked in pretty general terms about the issues of cultural identity that have been raised by a frankly, pretty vapid article. I haven't dealt too specifically with the other postings but here are some (I can hear the groans already!) statistics about national cultural make-up.
Between the US, Canada and Australia, Australia has the highest percentage (24.6%) of it's workforce born in another country. Canada is next with 19.2%, and the the "great melting pot" the US has only 11.7% of its workforce of foreign origin.
I agree with Immigration on the issue of citizenship being a prerequisite for national selection. Changing your citizenship actually involves a surprising degree of personal heartache - it's not an easily-made decision. If that doesn't convince Paolo - then think about the fact that citizenship also means paying taxes like the rest of us - not that a percentage of a hockey-player's inome will ever amount to much!
Finally (what a gale the sigh of relief has become!), Shouldn't we try to remember that hockey is a game? Moreover, it is a game that truly allows different people to come together under (relatively) civilized circumstances. The recent Women's World Cup is a great example with the top four teams coming from four different continents. What diversity! And, with time and maturity, perhaps it is only natural that this diversity filters to the level of individuals within teams.
There you go... that's my two cents worth.
PS: Anyone who disagrees with me is un-planetfieldhockey!
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greg nathan
01-04-2003 12:06 pm
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Great bit of posting. One note, think about the actual numbers that your percentages represent. 11.9% of the US population is over 26 million people. Then compare that to the actual numbers in Canada and Australia. I know you are looking at it from the point of view of overall diversity, but the constant immigration to the US (voluntary and otherwise) throughout its history means that the amount of foreign born workers at any given time may not be an accurate depiction of ethnic make up. Hockey and sport in general can and should be a great method of communication and help bring cultural understanding through shared experiences and mutual passions.
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greg nathan
01-04-2003 12:11 pm
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Actually, I misread your post you did say workforce which would reduce the number of 26 I mentioned, but the same principle does apply. Sorry about the error.
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01-05-2003 5:24 am
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Now, if you could only get them all playing Hockey...
Then the US might actually have the "unrivalled depth in their pool of players" that I once read about in a posting on this sight.
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Ms V
01-05-2003 3:44 pm
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Good comments stick, thanks for bringing us back on track. I believe it is healthy for us to stray off a bit and 'have a chat' but yes, to bring us back to reality is good.
I certainly would like to see more people Aust and the US playing hockey, and I do think that the US have a bit of a battle going on, certainly from the male point of view. I have a group of freinds outside San Francisco (male and female) who have been trying to get the numbers up. Most of the men playing are ex pats from Aust, NZ, England, and a few teams that have Pakistan or Indian ties (I didn't get to meet them personally so I know not if they are expats or citizens etc). The womens teams were made up of a lot of the same, ex collage players and some ex US players whom I know. I was surprized at the attitude towards men playing the sport - like it was for girls only. I and do hope that the sport can overcome it. Here in Aust (unfortunately) Netball is the No.1 womens sport, and it is a very 'girlie' sport. Many hockey players are the opposite of supporters of the game (to put it politely). However, in the eighties, men began playing it, and many mixed competitions exist. They overcame the sigma attached that it was for women only. However I do not here about any national mens netball team.
I think the US has many factors concerned when building on their sport, and please correct me if I'm wrong or add comments...
They are competing against other well established and funded sports. They have a limited system, where the top hockey played is in the collegiate system, that sets a limit of fours years playing for your college. This creates a problem of longevity for players who have played this time already, and finding competitions that are up to standard outside college. The women have the basic problem that against other sports in general that they are only 1) women 2) it is not perceived at a core Olympic sport ; whilst the men have the problem that 1) there are so many other nationalistic sports they should be playing football, ice hockey, basketball, baseball... and 2) its is perceived as a girls sport.
Funny when you think about how some of the Pakistan hockey players are made out to be hunks !?!
So once again not are we just battling trying to raise the profile of our chosen sport, we are trying to change a culture, and its perception of where we fit in. Very sad, but it must be done. I am constantly surprized that in Aust, everyone I speak to may know Rick Charlesworth, but they couldn't tell you the name of ANY players or how the team goes. The fact that they held the title of 'best sports team in the world' (beating the greats like baseball's NYY) went unheard. Yet we hear about netball on the TV when only 5 countries (including NZ, Jamaica, Eng) play it internationally regularly. Hockey is a global sport, so where did we go wrong. Culture and supporters/players.
I hope we can all learn from each other to better the sport in each of our countries.
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Steve S.
01-05-2003 4:18 pm
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Thank you "stick" and "Ms V".
This thread has become really well thought-out and reasonable.
Thanks for your contributions to what started as a bizarre and unfortunate conversation.
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Stick
01-06-2003 2:50 am
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Ms. V
I've often heard it said of Hockey in Australia that, of the "big" sports - it is the most amateur in the way that it is run.
I think we had a little bit of success in OZ with the televising of the Women's World Cup on Free to air TV. The next step would be to get the Men shown as well... and then perhaps ALL the major tournements shown.
Insofar as Hockey competing with Netball - I suspect that part of it has to with the comparative ease with which Netball translates to TV (There's a large ball, it takes place in a small arena, and you can get a camera close to the action). Compare this with Hockey where the ball is tiny and can move from end to end with blinding speed, the relative size of the ground and the difficulty to see what has actually happened (due to innefective camera work).
Netball also has an obvious "perve" factor - shorts skirts and squeaks and grunting as players have stop suddenly on the court (A bit like women's tennis - a la grunting). Mind you, my own - totally subjective judgement is that Hockey players are MUCH sexier than netballers. :)
This is an Australian problem - we might as well be talking about why Kabbadi doesn't get more coverage in Australia (What's Kabbadi? My point exactly). At this time - more women play Netabll in Australia than vice versa (Though the stats I got this from may be out of date - please correct me.) For whatever reason it's more popular at the moment - and that's that.
We should probably should stop talking about Netball at this point as I can feel the eyes of all the Yankees glazing over (and this was originally about the US men's hockey team, wasn't it?).
I agree with you whole-heartedly as regards the US Collegiate system. I think it's their worst enemy in terms of genuine player development. Not only that, they don't get to play on proper fields half the time. Often they play on grass that we wouldn't have kids playing Minkey on in OZ. The team I coached had to train and practise on an Intermural field that was normally occuppied by the University marching band! (That should give you an idea of the University's priorities!)
As far being a male player... I played in Moorpark. Most guys playing seemed to be US citzens, actually - though there were a few ex-pats like me. About half the guys were what I'd call second or third generation migrants (their families originally came from civilized :) countries - like Pakistan, India or Germany)
I know what you are saying about they way Male players are presented in other countries. I saw a poster of Dhanraj Pillay when I was last in India portraying him shirtless, covered in sweat with a slinky moustache and a mullet! ...er... very sexy?
The Aussie men don't get that treatment at all - though I'm sure there's a marketing boffin DYING to do that with Craig Victory.
I wonder though... can you be a world-class athlete AND a lingerie model at the same time?
All we can do is try to raise the profile of our sport. I firmly believe that there'll be a men's only league in the US within the next few years. There was enough all male teams in what was meant to be a "mixed" hockey comp at Moorpark to make this result more than likely.
As far Ric Charlesworth goes - I'm not deriding the difficulties that female athletes have in being acknowledged but - there are other factors as well. I believe Ric was trying to create a new culture within the Hockeyroos that placed less focus on individual achievment - this made it difficult for the media to focus on "stars" (which I think they've started to do again...) It also tended to put emphasis on the coach (who they branded a communist!) And finally, and I say this with tremendous respect for Ric (I couldn't do HALF of two thirds of an eight of what he's done in his life) you don't become a federal member of parliament without being a bit of a self-promoter.
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traxx
01-06-2003 12:35 pm
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Men's sports and Title IX...
The expansion of men's sports in the US is restricted in the collegiate levels and in high schools but a ruling (Title IX) that said no more men's developments until there is parity for women's sports - that is rudly paraphrased, I know. At the time (early 1980's) that was a godsend for women's sports. The downside 20+ years on is that a men's sport like hockey has to take 3rd rank and does not get the proportional funding - because the world rankings require teams that have experience and competetive experience and you can only get that with enough funding to travel, train and compete. It's a catch 22.
The US Indoor team has been funded on guts and as individuals they struggle to support themselves whilst dedicating their time to training.
The news media do not pick up on the sport except to run personal interest stories and those are usually local print media. The major publications have followed the "it's not a core Olympic sport" theology and so the regional and local media tend to discount it.
I hope to begin battle on this with stories coming after Glasgow and post World Cup to my local media (freelance). If anyone else is interested, let me know, and I can coach you on making press contacts, nurturing them and freelancing. There's strong evidence here of the passion, the intelligence and the drive to see the sport make headlines. The only way to get that going is a concerted grass roots effort around the world.
So the glove is down, anyone taking it up?
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traxx
01-06-2003 12:44 pm
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earlier comment from Tom Harris
Tom,
Chris Terrebonne's early training in hockey was as a school boy in England. He learned the sport there and competed for county, school and club from age 13 onwards. He got hooked on joining the US team when his school played the US National team on its tour to the UK back in 95.
And then once a Junior National he commuted from England to California for training and trials on a regular basis. The rest you probably know.
There were several other UK residents who were US citizens trying out for the National teams from 97 - 99. These young men and Chris were offered the opportunity to play for England. I can only speak for Chris, who chose to play for the USA.
I believe there are one or two others on the Indoor side that owe their early hockey to Europe, but play for the US.
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Ms V
01-06-2003 4:55 pm
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Some good comments stick, although I will have to reply. Hockey has not ever been considered one of the top sports (as in footballs or cricket) however it is not a marginal sport either. I would have to disagree with your comment that hockey has been run in an amateur way. I have constantly been surprized at how other 'large' sports are run - run badly, when I thought that they were 'quite together'. I have criticized a few things that the mens and/or womens national organisations have done in the past, however I usually try to help by giving answers/options/ideas. I believe one organisation to have been better run than the other however. As the General Manager of a sporting organisation here, and someone who has constantly had their eyes opened to other state and national bodies, I can honestly say whilst we have had our faults, boy we've done better than so many!
Now that the mens and womens org's have merged things are slightly different. I have seen some excellent staff been brought on board and they are in a very well researched mode of reformation and planning - something that needs to be done. In reagrds to the World Cup, Hockey Aust do not actually run it, it is run by a team of people that are employed and include Aust's, overseas and FIH people. This is something that 99% of the hockey world do not understand unless you have been involved in running one. It si funny though, whilst the women have been seen to be superior (cards in the hand), the men have often been quite successful in gaining sponsorship/coverage with the right people promoting it. Things have changed in televised sport since the mens world cup '94 too.
I guess this is the real question. Sometimes you have the product, and the people but the climate is just not right to attack. Finding your niche is very important, and from their you may be able to build. eg Basketball was big in the 80's and early 90's here in Aust, however things have changed and the spory is out of favour. Many org's in financial trouble. Business never stops, if we are looking at sport as a business, never loose sight of where we sit. Sometimes we can capitalise, sometimes, downsize. I think US hockey may have it right...
we know people who have families from hockey nations may have been exposed to the sport from these families. Lets work on them to help build the US league. Look at the numbers of Aust, NZ, English, Dutch, Pakistan, and Indians there are in the US - citizens, residents or otherwise. Can we make the game attractive to them to play? If so, others will join in. Celebrate the diversity in these peoples backgrounds (not their colour) as it is perhaps their backgrounds that helped draw them to the sport in the first place. This is how I choose to see the article we are all reacting to.:D
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Stick
01-07-2003 12:58 am
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Men's sports and Title IX
Well it looks like Traxx just made the best posting of all.
He should get "comment of the week" - not me.
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Traxx
01-07-2003 7:02 pm
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Thanks stick but...
you and Ms V have certainly had me interested for days!
I bow to your cumulative wit and knowledge!
:D
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Traxx
01-07-2003 9:33 pm
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Update on message to Tom Harris
Lest I err....the young players I mentioned who are US citizens were not being directly asked to play for England; rather their citizenship - and whether they could qualify as dual nationals was being looked into by Division selectors. I hope this avoids undue criticism as my point was that not all US team members learned hockey in the USA, but that some learned whilst living abroad and some of these players at least came to the attention of selectors and some chose to play for their nation and others for their adopted nation. And to these young men, my apologies for over-generalising; I mean you no disrespect.
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Ms V
01-07-2003 10:13 pm
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Hey, kowtowing will get you no where! OK it might get you a beer!
Well I for one enjoy having a chat with people who can string their words together, have a knowledge and passion and conviction for their sport. It should happen mroe often... and I hope to keep my eyes out for similar topics with you guys involved.
P.s. stick - where is moorpark (or have I read a spelling mistake and do know wher it is?)
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01-08-2003 8:48 am
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YOU GUYS!!
Well, it is good to see that the USA still retain their own sense of what is normal or not. You have got to come from somewhere - why is it considered a great achievement to have a 'mixed bag' of players as opposed to a bunch of people who are from the same 'ethnic' background. It is political correctness and so boring. Personally I'm looking forward to the day when Cloneaid have produced clones of David Beckam and we can all stop using our colour, religion or big ears as somekind of statement. Take me seriously, I'm green and from Mars - that will be next. Job adverts saying "Martian integration into the community leaders wanted - £50,000 government funded". Don't diss my beliefs man....yeah.
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Traxx
01-08-2003 10:07 am
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Kowtowing ok
Beer is better as long as it is Foster's!
Moorpark is generically close to Thousand Oaks, California - that little bulge out on the map above Santa Monica Bay I think it's called. Anyway north, north west of the city of Los Angeles!
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01-08-2003 2:48 pm
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hey swiller
re statement of "nobody has ever received citizenship to play for the yanks or canucks", where do you get your info. don't mislead readers of this forum. you have limited knowledge.
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Ms V
01-08-2003 10:03 pm
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Traxx - I hang my head shaking in shame. Fosters. Dear me. You do realise that foreigners are the only ones who drink Fosters? I'll try you on Victoria Bitter, or Tooheys New - real beer! Mind you, I just had a friend travel back to the US with a case of Cascade Lager (the best beer int eh country, made in Tasmania with the freshest water in the country!) in his bag.
I'll buy you one... you just have to come over for a BBQ!
A query for mmm - are you suggesting that US hockey have some mighty polical stoush, and are able to convince the government to give players citizenship? I really don't know about that, but please enlighten us.
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Stick
01-08-2003 10:14 pm
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Limited info
Tell me, oh glorious multiple apostrophe, what specific counter info are you referring to?
Ms. V,
Traxx has pretty effectively pointed out where Moorpark is. It's about 40 minutes north of LA on the Ronald Reagan freeway (yes, that what it's actually called!).
Despite the fun times I had playing there, I have to say, it's not a brilliant ground. The astro-turf lacks a proper camber so it tends to dry out unevenly with big soggy spots in the middle of the ground.
The ground also seems to lack proper cushioning and shock absorption so I'd end up getting shin-splints :( ...though perhaps the shin splints were more to do with my general loss of fitness while I lived in LA (Too many In-n-Out burgers, perhaps?)
However, in spite of these flaws in the pitch itself, I have to say that Moorpark is a fantastic facility because it represents a commitment to a grass-roots hockey culture in the US. A group of individuals took the plunge, raised the money and built a dedicated hockey facility.
The benfits of this are too many to go into, but the main reason I got so excited was because I saw American hockey enthusiasts thinking outside the paradigm which insists that the collegiate system is where hockey takes place.
The Moorpark facility means that they can set up and structure their own leagues along a less-rigid club system. They can have juniors playing, they can form veterans leagues, mens' competitions etc... All they have to do now is increase the intensity of ground usuage to the point where it makes sense for another ground to be built... and then another one... and then another one.
I know this is very simplistic, but I do believe that if you have facilities then people will use them.
Without meaning to sound patronising, Moorpark makes me feel like an early historical anthropologist discovering a lost tribe that has been untouched by civilisation. Things are very different over here. We have hockey clubs that are over a hundred years old. Watching the Moorpark Hockey community grow is a great feeling, and it reinvogorates my own sense of what can be done for Hockey in other places.
I just feel EVERYONE can enjoy hockey, it's just a matter of the right kind of exposure.
That's enough of my utopian burbling for now!
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01-10-2003 10:09 am
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Title IX
Traxx, Title IX is a part of the problem in developing men's field hockey in the US. The problem starts in the primary and secondary schools, public and private, that do not offer boys a chance to play field hockey. In a country where women's ice hockey is encouraged, where, even in elementary schools, you will find mixed sexes playing football, the exclusion of entry level boys is ridiculous. A year or so ago, there was an article (I think in Sports Illustrated) about a New England boy, who played nationally but was barred by many schools from playing with the girls. The article had a disdainful tone to it, quoted many parents and coaches of girls who decried his participation in the sport.
Now suppose a boy does pick up a stick (say by borrowing his sister's), and learns to play anyway. Let's say he shows promise. Last spring I called several field hockey camps in New England (all of them listed on the USFHA website) to enroll my son, who had earned a position on the US Men's U-16 team. The overwhelming response was an incredulous "A boy? No, we do not allow boys in our program." Not even as a day-camper. Now THAT'S a supportive, nurturing atmosphere to help build an eventual National level player. To its credit, East West Field Hockey accepted him (and some other boys) into their camp in Worcester Massachusetts. Thank you Julie and Bill for training boys and girls.
Now that he is a junior in High School, we are looking around at colleges. Over sixty years ago his grandmother was a star field hockey player for a prestigious women's college. A few decades ago, that college became co-ed. It offers handsome athletic scholarships for field hockey players and favors children and grandchildren of Alumnae. Oh! But the scholarships are only for female field hockey players. As a matter of fact "we do not have a program for male field hockey players." Guess how many colleges offer women's field hockey athletic scholarships and how many offer men's. How many even make a token nod by having a sports program (like a coach and a place to play) for male players? Even the NCAA discourages men's field hockey by banning mixed sex teams from playing. If the sexes were reversed, a college would find itself the object of a Title IX lawsuit in a heartbeat. Where is Title IX protection for a man who wants to play field hockey?
With no encouragement from schools and colleges for men to play field hockey, it is a wonder the Men's US National Team even exists. Male field hockey players in the US are tenacious and devoted to the sport. They have to be. There is no system out there to encourage and nurture potential players at an early age, and very little as they grow up. Until the field hockey establishment such as school and college coaches and field hockey camp directors get over their hostility to male players, until US men and boys are afforded similar opportunity and encouragement to that which their sisters have, the Men's national team will remain, at best, a curiosity or, at worst, totally unknown to the public.
I know I have strayed from the "diversity" thread, but as a nation, the US has a problem with diversity of sexes in field hockey.
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01-11-2003 10:49 am
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Title IX
Bye bye Title IX.... when you abuse something you lose it. Title IX is going to be kicked out - Listen to NPR.
HIP, HIP - HOORAY!!
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Stick
01-11-2003 9:02 pm
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"Real beer?"
Dear, Oh dear, oh dear, Ms V.
"Tooheys New - real beer!"
Honestly.
Tch Tch Tch!
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Ms V
01-13-2003 4:48 pm
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Providence, I can understand your frustration. Is the US legal system big enough to allow a law suit in your favour!! The system can be a bit dodgey!! Looking at how women STILL cannot becaome members of Augusta (and other golf clubs) I have to wonder. In Aust - this is exactly what is considered discrimination. I wish you luck in your challenges!
Stick - I cannot get into the New v VB argument. You're either a fan of one or the other. Hence why I offered either one! I could have stooped real low and offered XXXX - ich! And why do Queenslanders need a full, a lite and a mid strength beer anyway!?!?
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01-15-2003 12:04 am
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