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Dude
08-20-2002 9:08 am
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Action not words !
My Title says it all!
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Dude
08-20-2002 9:17 am
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4 most used and abused punch lines of Indian Hockey
1. " we have a nice belend of youth and experience"
2. " We have trained hard. We should definitely do well"
3. " Last time we were overconfident. This time we will not underestimate even the weakest team"
4. " We are rectifying some minor shortcomings like short corner conversions"
AND NOW, PRESENTING THE LATEST AND BRAND NEW 5TH PUNCH LINE .......
5."The girls did well, so we will also do well"
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wanderer362002@yahoo.com
08-20-2002 10:20 am
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winning champions trophy
This is just a pipe dream. It will take more hockey academies and players of a truly great calibre to win such big tournaments.
Alvin
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ssp
08-20-2002 12:25 pm
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Dude is right with all his comments.
Usual misplaced optimism before tournaments (without any justification ) will be replaced by..
1. Forwards didn't click. If only they had converted half their chances..
2. Defenders made crucial errors.
3. X was not fully fit (so naturally we had to pick him).
4. We should have played a few more international matches to be fully prepared.
5. Goalkeeper was out of form.
6. Midfield did not do as instructed by the coach.
The women's team Gold at the CWG is irrelevant, just like the U21 win at the WC. What utter rubbish. How can Rajinder say that India can win this tournament 6 months after the fiasco of the WC? What has changed? There aren't any sensational newcomers.
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dr ahuja
08-20-2002 12:57 pm
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best of luck
come on rajinder i know yu as my student yu can do it and we have to do it
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Rantoon
08-20-2002 2:05 pm
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delusional
"we have a strong chance of winning the tournament." What delusional nonsense. Credibility is a very important quality to have when one is in such a position of leadership. To show such ignorance is cause for great alarm. How can India ever hope to get better if the coach believes a team which is going to finish fifth or sixth(maybe England) is going to win. Was Rajinder seated on a bar stool with a row of empty bottles in front of him when this interview took place?
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COOL
08-20-2002 2:13 pm
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CAN IT!
Iagree with Dude, Alvin and SSP. Just stop the rhetoric.
Let actions speak.
Rajinder may be upbeat and euphoric. But winning matches is what counts.
So can the chant and get with the games!
(SSP your point 4. re more international exposure may be the key to Indian success. We just hibernate ever so often. Then getting into the act is like a behemoth trying to perform ballet!)
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Hopeful Indian Fan!!!
08-20-2002 5:26 pm
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Come on you guys...
Hope the team do well but I feel they have a long way to go before catching up with the best, doubt they get anywhere near winning the tournament. I'd put my bet on the Germans, I saw them play the last champions Trophy and recently they were brilliant with techique/tactics and fitness.
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Wasimullah
08-20-2002 7:04 pm
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I have a question?
Why aren't the Indian players using Composite sticks??? I have seen a website ( Sukhdeo and Company ) which makes them in India. Why are we still using inferior quality material to play against tougher teams. I know that pride is important..but it should'nt be at the cost of loosing games.
Anybody to shed a light on this one??
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Juergen
08-20-2002 9:10 pm
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I would say that Rajinder is simply being optimistic - what else
is he meant to say - we are trying for 6th position ? What is it with you Indian
guys anyway? You're always trying to put down your team - Indian
hockey needs as much support as it can get from the public and the corporate side.
India won't win the tournament but If they play well they can beat
Pakistan and Korea for fourth place. I strongly feel Pakistan are vastly overrated and India showed recently they can beat Korea.
I hope Germany win the tournament - but it will be damn tough.
Netherlands have come back strongly and Australia are very good.
Deutschland uber alles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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d
08-21-2002 12:54 am
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to wasimullah
where in india, julundar? under what brand do they sell them i've seen a few sticks come across that look like composite sticks but they have just got a black finish on them which wears at the bottom after a few weeks. be good if u can get them.
btw ACTIONS do speak louder than words....
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Dude
08-21-2002 3:49 am
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Tv Coverage ?
Does anyone know about TV coverage for the Rabo-bank trophy in Holland and the Chamions trophy in Germany ?
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Stick
08-21-2002 4:32 am
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Wasimullah's composite sticks
Yeaaaah... Right....
A lack of composite sticks...
So THAT'S what has kept India from world hockey glory all these years.
CODSWALLOP!!!
With no respect due to those player's who use composite sticks - many International players feel that the extra hitting power doesn't compensate for the loss of touch on the ball. Given how little you actually get to hit the ball at top level and how often you have to be 100% certain of your drags, pushes and tackles - it's not surprising that many players stick (pardon the pun) to wood.
Anyway... What's wrong with Vijayanti and Vampire etc...? India has plenty of well crafted sticks coming out of Jalandhar. It's true that they tend to wear and break faster that composite models but, last I heard, stick replacement wasn't a problem for anyone in the national squad.
Or, Wasimullah, are you simply trying to earn an Agent's commision on these Indian-made composite sticks?
Go on...
Own up!
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Dude
08-21-2002 8:21 am
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To Stick
Stick ,
I can assure you that Wasimullah is a well respected person out here who truly cares for Indian hockey. So you can wipe that business angle off straight away.
But I do agree that Indian Hockey players ( at least the national team) do have acess to top notch gear including composite hockey sticks. So the lack of composite sticks is not a likely cause for India's shortcomings.
But If composite sticks are indeed available in India, it may be a good sign for upcoming Indian Hockey players.
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Wasimullah
08-21-2002 11:46 am
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Oh For Christ's sake ....
Cummon Stick ,
Read carefully, I asked about somebody shedding light on why Indians donot use composite sticks. Not wether I would get commission. So you need to do some reading and catching up on your associative memory.
There was a talk of some players trying to use B quality sticks for the Olympics. Mukesh even liked them since they were lighter and helped in quicker dribbling.
I donot have any problems if we use Vijayanti or Rakshak or Vampire or Alfa or Phillips. Damn it ..just get the results.
And on the talk of using technology to coach..... we are far behind. Ever seen any assistant coach with a laptop, taking notes or sitting on the other side of the game or in the stands , constantly talking to the coach..Nope..never.
Everybody cribs about not hsving the FOREIGN COACH...well this his what he'll
do ..and it'll look cool!
How about light foam shin guards..nope ...not seen them. We used bamboo covered cotton ( the ones.. from LAGAN)
How about knuckle gloves..nope never used them..its only for scared White folks.
How do you defend against strong hits..We Indians turn around and take it on our arse.
Ever wear a mouth guard....nope..Can't talk through it..Its cheaper to duck or go to the Dentist Uncle back home! Just put my tooth in a little milk and put it in the pouch!!
Here is the website
http://www.sukhdevandco.com/
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Alan
08-22-2002 12:16 am
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to wasimullah
I fully support your comments mentioned above.
Its high time that the players start using sticks from Dita, Kookabura, Grays.....
These do make a difference in Flicks, PUshes & hits.
Knuckle guards, mouth guards all build confidence & courage to a player to go all out in a match.
To all those who criticise new ideas, its high time , indians learn from their euro/american/aussie colleagues.
Remember there are things to learn always & not sit sit on laurels earned in the 1920, 30, 40, 50 olympics
There are definetly players who want to use them at Int level.I did see baljit saini use one in the olympics.
Yes. its twice as more expensive as a wooden stick .. so what ..?
IHF & company .. if u do read this , think about it.....
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Stick
08-22-2002 7:50 am
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Please don't feel I've besmirched your honour, your honour...
Wasimullah,
I was, in the words of a friend of mine's grandmother, "having a bit of a lend of you" in regards to Indian-made composite sticks. The difficulty with text-based discussion forums is that one cannot adequately convey the emotion behind one's words. So, in short, I was just poking a little bit of fun - I wasn't seriously suggesting that you are Sukhdevandco's Agent. I'm sorry if I offended you.
(If you WERE their agent you would have included some sample prices - FOB in USD - and you wouldn't have forgotten to list their website address the first time around!)
:)
Anyway... I stand by my comments about composite sticks... it really is a matter of personal preference. Composites (until they improve them) trade off touch on the ball for hitting power. That's my experience with them. In any case, you yourself have agreed with me in describing the choices of players such as Mukesh as regards their sticks.
I was only half-joking when I was poking fun at you for drawing attention to equipment as the major flaw in Indian Hockey. I'll probably make myself unpopular here, but I feel that there's a tendency amongst many who comment in these forums on South Asian hockey to oversimplifiy their cases and reach for quick-fix solutions. ie. "Indian Hockey teams need better equipment", or "Pakistan needs to change its formations, that'll solve everything". Speaking, as someone who is not Indian, but is genuinely interested in Asian hockey - speaking from the outside - looking in - I see nations with a talent pool larger than the entire adult population of New Zealand. In the case of India, I see a junior squad with absolutely awe-inspriring skills.
Many outside, and perhaps a few inside, commentators would agree that India's problem is not their players, or their coaches, or their equipment but the administration that controls all of these. The politics behind Indian Hockey seems so detrimental to the sport. Coaches are under an incredible amount of unreasonable pressure. It seems every year they have to make ludicrous predictions (India will win Olympic Gold, the World Cup, Champions Trophy etc...) just to get their funding. And when, not surprisingly the coach and team do not deliver on this wild promise, the coach and team face penury and end up losing their jobs.
I'd love to see India get behind a long term development plan which aims at achieving modest goals ie. "The Indian Men's team will be the Asian team in the 2006 Commonwealth Games". And then I'd like to see them build on those achievements. Instead, the political machinery of Indian Hockey seems to set goals for the team which are (presently) unnattainable.
New equipment for a team can be purchased instantaneaously, but a measured, realistic and functional program of development will take years. Until people start seriously discussing the latter option, there'll always be people like me poking fun at the commentary about Indian Hockey.
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COOL
08-22-2002 11:54 am
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GETTING BETTER
I cannot comment about sticks. The time I played last; sticks were all bamboo, wood, glue, twine, towel and sweat. (Remeber them? The ones with curves large enough to let the entire opposition pass under the hook if laid down for trapping!!)
So now you guys know I am tottering on the ancient.
But this debate is getting better. Stick is astute. He (being assumptious am I?) has good insight and understanding of the singular main reason for Asian hockey's decline. My pet peeve.
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Dhyanchand
08-22-2002 11:44 pm
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India must believe in the impossible
I agree with u all that the coach's commets were rather one of optimism rather than true belief. It doesnt matter how he portrays the Indian team to the outside world but what matters to the core is the contents of his words to the team itself. He should inspire his team to wear an attitude of confidence even when facing mighty opponents. They should belief that Germans, Aussies and the rest can be defeated. They may fail in their quest but their will to win win will carry them on till the last whistle. The problem with us Indians is that we leave it all too late in the tournament to fight for a comeback. Now the time has come for India to redeem glory. Well the trophy may not be theirs for the taking but surely they can display a level of hockey that would earn them respect from their counterparts. Its Mission impossible but who said it was unachievable. Atleast i didnt.
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Dude
08-23-2002 12:36 am
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5-2
Okay India went down 5-2 to netherlands. Netherlands were up 5-0 at one point. Then India pulled two goals back.
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ssp
08-23-2002 3:42 am
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Normal start
India have lost the first match in the 4 nations tournament 5-2 to Holland. They were 5-0 down at one stage.
The debate about equipment is very interesting but the reality is India are way behind the leading teams, and they show no sign of improving at all. Remember their last result was a 6-0 to Australia.
So can the coach, manager etc.. please be more realistic about their chances.
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Stick
08-23-2002 8:33 am
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Faith in the Impossible
Speaking as an Australian, there was a time when we honestly believed the sub-continental teams were unbeatable. Hockey was THEIR game and the possibility of beating India or Pakistan was a pipe-dream. (Though it would be misleading for me to say that I'm old enough to remember that period clearly) Things change...
Over here, athletes still must believe in the impossible, after all, a lack of faith or motivation can destroy one's chances in high pressure competitions. The difference occurs at management level. All sport's teams try to make accurate forcasts about their upcoming performance. This is target setting. The forcasts must be accurate as possible (This doesn't mean that they always are... sport's games can never be predicted 100% after all) The final performance is then measured against the predicted one. It's a scientific approach that prevents sloppiness and complacency and encourages a reasoned approach to improvement. Ric Charlesworth's book gives an excellent insight into this process.
Many who comment state that Australian teams are arrogant. National loyalty aside, I think a closer examination will reveal a different story. A case in point is the Hockeyroo's loss to England in the CG semi-finals. I'm sure the girls were dissappointed with their loss, but those who observed the relative inexperience of the Hockeyroos vs. the determined efforts of a much more mature English side. So the result wasn't THAT surprising. It seemed that THAT incarnation of the Hockeyroos had trouble when faced by an aggressive team who take the game to them and aren't afraid of dictating the terms of the game. Rest assured a wiser and more determined women's team has gone to Macau. The occasional defeat should be viewed as an opportunity to learn.
But when India or Pakistan lose, the fans cry out for blood, and so does the administration.
I hope that doesn't happen to Rajinder Singh. It's hard to tell from over here, but he seems lke he has a measured and sensible - but positive approach. He certainly seemed to do wonders with the junior side. (I am thinking of the right guy, aren't I?) Coaches need TIME to implement their revolutions and to remove the destructive paradigms of the past.
I hope India remain committed to a building phase in their game and are able to overcome the handicap of their glorious Hockey history.
Cool, you were correct. I am a "He".
Some of those old sticks were the best... You're forgetting about the Mulberry, though - that's what made them so good!
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wanderer362002@yahoo.com
08-23-2002 7:36 pm
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Rajinder is bad!!!!!
Bring back cedric 'soft fouls' de souza !!!!!!!!!
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Arvind
08-23-2002 11:26 pm
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Loss to Holland
I was there and watched the game. Well u guys were overawed by the Dutch team. The only player who ran for every ball, made all the important passes, created all the short corners and dare take on the Dutch defence was the veteran Pillay. No one could play his speed and precision. What happened to the so-called junior champions like Deepak and Gagan and Prabhjot. I understand that Pillay is 34 years of age and yet he is the only asset in the team. I could not see even a 50% of Pillay in the other forwards. What's happening to the Indian forward line.
It is already bad enough that you have an unreliable defence and you should not have made Tirkey the Captain as he is playing an all time low in his career. Maybe he cannot take the pressure. Remember your Olympic Captain who had the worst Olympics? It is going to turn out like that. Tirkey was playing better as a normal player without any stress attached to it. Well some players can take the added pressure and play better but some of us cannot. Pls note this point and pass the Captaincy to someone who can do the job well, both on and off the field.
Hope India wake up when the play Aust today. Despite the loss, they should overcome this and play better with more commitment like Pillay. It is high time this man takes a break but how can he quit if he is still the best and most feared forward. It is a shame on IHF that they cannot produce another forward with his drive and calibre.
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wanderer362002@yahoo.com
08-24-2002 12:25 pm
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India have lost to Australia 1-3 in the rabobank cup. They played with a 4-4-2 formation today rather than the usual 5-3-2 formation and they played well in the first half. However, it will take time for the young team to improve and to settle down. It would be better for the Indian team to play a 3-4-3 system against hard running teams like Australia, Holland and Germany. Also, a 3-1-3-3 system might be appropriate. Above all, the fitness level of the players need to improve drastically; they will have to become outstanding in skills.
Alvin
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wanderer362002@yahoo.com
08-24-2002 9:42 pm
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re: rajinder is bad
The comments made under wanderer362002@yahoo.com which says Rajinder is bad!!!! Bring back "soft fouls" de souza are not mine. It is somebody else's. I request that those comments be deleted since those comments have been falsely attributed to me by somebody else.
Alvin
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Mike
08-25-2002 5:06 am
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Only a dream
I and I hope not only I would certainly like to see India shine again, their skillful players making the most of the game but now it appears to me that Indian claims of winning Champions Trophy are only a dream, a cloud that will dissapear as soon as first match starts. Indian team is very unstable, very spontaneous without a modern tactics and hockey nowadays is based on an European Style which is tactics, tactics and once again tactics. Fitness plays a big part in the game and skill is maybe third, maybe fourth. Personally I rate India as a team capable of making a few surprises but in an overall ranking India are maybe a little ahead of Poland, where I live. The times when india was winning Olympic Championschip constantly and was allmighty are past. Nowadays they don't have such potential, the times have changen. There is no charismatic player in India squad, who could help the team. I wish them luck and i will be very happy if they could win the Trophy but the chances are small.
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Club Player
08-25-2002 4:56 pm
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Indian Team
I hope Indian team does well in the Champions Trophy but it is going to be uphill battle. I haven't seen Indian team play lately but I have had the opportunity to play with and against high level Indian hockey players. I find Indian forwards (the one's that I have seen) like dribble instead of make the ball do the work. As a result they need a lot more fitness than others. Also, forwards don't believe it is their job to tackle and this puts more pressure on defenders. If the ball isn't on forwards stick...it is just too far for them to grab. Defenders don't want to move uo to help the forwards because they feel if the other team attacks they will have to run back. Also, they still believe in lateral passes because they haven't adjusted to non-offside rules. If this is how Indian team plays they don't have a chance...these days it's a team game and skill can only do so much. Goodluck to the Indian Team and their new Coach!
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Dude
08-25-2002 5:34 pm
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A mUch improved display
India have drawn 2-2 with Korea. A much improved display by them
they should have won the game.
Some good work by dhanraj, thakur and prabjot today.
I feel the midfield badly missess thiru's experience and stability.
I agree with wanderer's comments - cedric is the best coach. Bring him
back along with baljit 'drag flick' dhillon. Cedric was undermined by the IHF in the world cup - he still possess a very good tactical understanding of the game.
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Nara
08-25-2002 5:44 pm
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Stick is absolutely right
Rajinder should be given a four year contract (or any coach
for that matter) and thus time to groom a team.
He should be supported to the hilt and perservered with. Indians expect their coaches to produce results overnight. It takes time to build a good team. All this brouhaha about a foreign coach as the best choice for India puzzles me. India's problems are more basic than that - we don't have a decent admin, a national league, an
academy (eg like the AIS). A foreign coach doesn't have a magic
wand to drive away these problems.
The claim is that Indian coaches are not modern in their thinking -
true to some extent. However, I've watched and played hockey in India (and Australia) for twenty years. I've seen some Indian
coaches with a very good tactical reading of the game - Kaushik
in my opinion was the best - a hard disciplinarian who moulded together egos like ballal, pillay and kumar into a matchwinning unit.
Jude Felix and Merwyn Fernanadez are two others who employ modern
coaching methods and have experience in foreign leagues.
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Dude
08-26-2002 3:15 am
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That was not me !
Hey, I did not put in those comments " A much improved display". These comments have been falsely attributed to me, just like in the case of wanderer.
Who ever is doing this, it is really in very very bad tase indeed. I sincerely hope you stick to your handle name which is probably "PJOMA" (Physchotic just out of the mental asylum).
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captmehta
08-26-2002 5:36 am
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goalkeepers and defence
i still insist on another coach for only defence and goalkeeper . that 's where we are week.
let rajinder concentrate on attack. what we need is coach for defence n goalkeeper. are you with me stupid gill.
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Tony
08-26-2002 8:44 am
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Foreign Coaches
If you don't believe in foreign coaches -- Just look at the results. Within a few months of taking over Coach Constantine has gotten the Indian soccer team winning again. See the recent world class performance of the Indian shooters and chess players and they all give significant credit to foreign coaches. And whatever you might say about the Indian cricketers - coach John Wright has introduced professionalism in Indian cricket and India's W-L in both tests and one day cricket in the last few years matches our best ever. Inspite of the lack of infrastructure (academy, league, etc.), we still have some of the most skilfull players in the world -- what they do not know is who to compete and train like professionals. They have minimal understanding of nutritution (severally lacking in traditionally starch laden low protein Indian diets), training, physical conditioning, game tactics, team work, and oganization. These are all aspects that a GOOD foreign coach (like Horst Wein or the Malaysian coach) can imbibe. I agree that a Kaushik or other Indian coach should be an important part of the coaching team so that the unique Indian skills are also nurtured. However, contrary to typical backward thinking in India, fit and well conditioned players are better able to play skilfull hockey rather then vice versa. For example, in tennis, both Krishnans and Vijay Amritraj would have been world No. 1's (instead of top 30) if they had the fitness to supplement their skills.
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observer
08-26-2002 3:09 pm
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6 nation's trophy
India will finish fifth or sixth. I believe Pakistan will win against India by 4-1. Weak defense.
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Juergen
08-26-2002 6:20 pm
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Observer is talking rubbish
The scoreline between india and pakistan will be much closer
than that.
And who has the weak defence ? pakistan defence is no great shakes.
I rate The duo of Trikey and nayak as a much better defensive team than anything the pakistanis can throw up. India's problem is their midfield. They really lack experience and solidity in that area.
India will probably lose most games at Cologne but I believe they'll be competitive. If you look at the rabobank torney, India certainly improved with every game.
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PJOMA
08-27-2002 1:58 am
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My excuses
Dear Wanderer and Dude,
I am sorry to have used your handle name to get my views across. I promise it will not happen again. I have immense admiration for the two of you and, therefore, I have always dreamt of using your names.
So please accept my most sincere apologies. Between, Life at the mental asylum sucks !
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ssp
08-27-2002 3:17 pm
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Good comments from several people. Tony is absolutely right about foreign coaches.
The disappointment for Indian hockey fans is the lack of progress or understanding of modern hockey. India is at the same level as it was in late 70s. The performances dip below this level but never go upwards.
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Stick
08-28-2002 8:08 am
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Foreign Coaches
What can ANY coach (foreign or otherwise) do without a supportive infrastructure?
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Wizard
08-29-2002 5:12 am
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Tactics and fitness
I agree with the main comments - Indian team requires to develop sound tactics, and be extremely fit. At international level there is no substitute for fitness - it is probably the most single ingredient for being a champion- and that goes for any sport.Hockey today is a much faster game than it was 30/40years ago, because the technology input into the game has more than compensated for skills base or the lack of skill base.So, if the Indian team is going to win internationals, the whole basis of coaching techniques has to radically change, whether there is an Indian or foreign coach.
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Maharaja
08-29-2002 7:39 am
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Indian Team
I think Indians will remain in last 4, if they are in 10 team then also and if with in 4 teams. Indians shall try and come in top 2 teams and not the BOTTOM. I was recently in India and saw Dhanraj's coloum which mentions " we are very confident, well trained blah blah.." but we all know the results now. I think it is time to change the entire team and make them more young & shall be trained for at least 1 year with lots of matches and NO comments on paper. There stick shall speak more then their comments on Newspaper.
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Wasimullah
08-30-2002 12:23 am
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No matter what, I assure you that INDIA WILL BEAT PAKISTAN. The rains may fall, and the sun may rise out of the west. But this time around the victory will be convincing. Whats that point if you let your little brother stand on your shoulder and pee in your ear??? He has to be taught a few and given some...
Cummon India..play big Brother.. Go India Go ....Jitega bhai jitega .. INDIA jitega!!!
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niki kantawala
08-30-2002 11:01 am
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wasimullah
hey man u r rite. jeet ka bahi jeeta ka india jeeta ga. but it also true v are going to miss thiru. he is the best half back v hve. lets hope for the best. should give a good fight to holland tomorrow.
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jeroen
08-30-2002 11:31 am
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This is the most funny thing i have evr read! India winning ther champions trophy? Yeah right!
I was at the Rabobank trophy in the netherlands. i saw all the matches and looking at those matches and the world cup matches i beleive holland have a good chance. May I just point out that in the years to come the most dominant players will be Floris Evers (Holland) and Ben Bishop (Australia)!!!! Well anyway hope to see the teams in Cologne and i wish all the countries good luck!!! The most deadly players in world hockey are Abbas and De Noijer - if anyone can tame them then the tournement should open up rather nicely!
Final comment what the hell is Pillay Dhanraj still doing on the world scene - an absolute waste of time! He gets the ball beats one player beats two and thinks he is invinscible and tys to take on the other nine players on all at the same time - does he not realise that a ball cannot go through a stick? When he loses the ball he stands there crying like a baby and scratching his head thinking how come they tackled me? Then to cap off his performance he does not run back in support or for that matter move off from the spot!
He is too old and lazy!
Sorry to be so hypercritical but someone has to say it!
make way you old boy for the new up and cominf stars!
MAy i also say what is s.s Gill still playing for India? He is almost as bad as Pillay!
Can we have some more Singhs playing in the team - they are the only ones with some skill!!!!
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Osman
08-30-2002 2:24 pm
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No relationship whatsoverq
I dont' want to create a fuss here...but please refrain from calling Pakistan your younger brother. We are nothing alike.
-Osman
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Anchovy
08-30-2002 7:10 pm
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yawn
India blah blah blah blah blah. Muhammad Ali used to be the heavyweight champion. Jesse Owens was the fastest sprinter in the world. Sadaharu Oh was a great home run hitter. That was then...and this is now. India used to be a great team. The world has passed them up. They are no longer an elite team. Unless their coaching, conditioning, and tactics change, two years from now they won't be in the top ten.
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Stick
08-31-2002 12:39 am
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Osman's "older brother"
Osman,
I think Wasimullah's metaphor involved a suggestion to the Indian side that they ADOPT the position of "big-brother" and deal out a thumping to Pakistan (as an older brother would) - rather than saying that India is literally Pakistan's older brother.
Nations are abstract groupings of people and physical territory. They do not have "familial" relationships with other nations. Don't allow yourself to get upset, Osman. Wasimullah is making a rather romantic allusion to the historical/political relationship between your countries in an effort to exhort the Indian players to success.
Frankly, I think it's a bit of a wasted effort. Both the IHF and the PHF are hopelessly politicized. I predict a rather dull match. 1-0 either way, regardless of who wins...or in this case doesn't lose!
On another subject, I must say I'm very impressed with the depth of Jeroen's logic. "Singhs are the only players with skill". Brilliant! Just brilliant! I only hope that Jeroen ends up on Holland's selection committee. Perhaps Jeroen could select the Dutch women's team on the basis of hair colour and the men's team on the basis of height? What about an arbitary age cap? Thirty-two - that's it! Sorry, that's the end of your career - you are clearly too elderly and infirm to play.
I'm glad we have people like Jeroen putting in their two cents (though not sense). Enthusiastic, though not especially brainy, comments raise the level of enjoyment for everyone, I'm sure!
:P
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NZAnts
09-10-2002 3:05 pm
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it is quite clear that Asian hockey players have outstanding individual hockey skills. but for indian and Pakistan hockey teams to be the best in the world there is a massive amount of work to go on. These unrealistic cliams of winning everything they enter need to stop.
the steps as i see at for India and Pakistan
1 Set up profesisonal administration who are accountable and responsible for the organistaion
2 Appoint an appropriate High Performance individual to oversee the strategy for development of Elite High Performing players
3 Appoint an appropriate development manager who is responsible for ensuring all levels of hockey have appropriate systems in place to facilitate talent ID and talent development
3 Appoint coaches for the senior teams and ensure there is a detailed job description and employment contract that makes the accountability and responsibility clear
4 ensure all players have the opportunity to be selected in represented teams irrespective of race, religion, location, club etc. the only basis for selection should be hockey playing performance
ensure selection policies and processes are in place for all national representative teams.
5 Look around the world for people with the skills necessary to develop and implement the required strategies and pay for them to complete the work
6 devlop a strategic document that lays out in detail a plan for hockey that will ensure a high level of performance. i would suggest this document should be looking a minimum of 4 years in advance but more likely shoud set up a plan for the 10 years
7 ensure all stakeholders within indian and pakistan hockey buy in to the strategic direction
8 appoint a person who is soly responsible for the implementation of the strategic direction
I hope that this summarise where i think both india and pakistan should head. these setps while appear simple are extremely difficult and challenging but the results are worthwhile if you manage to implement it. this is the work that i do and have some expertise in the area. while this is only a very brief summary it gives people some idea of key steps
feel free to email me if you want to discuss or debate what i have put in here at [email]anthony@sportssolutions.co.nz[/email]
Regards
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