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Jools
02-14-2002 8:19 am
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Player 5
I would send him up front...the counter attack is crucial when it comes to indoor hockey!!!
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Tom
02-14-2002 12:56 pm
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First off the Goalie should be running from the middle of the cage!!
Second obviously this is not for Men!!!
If it is I feel so sorry for your #3 runner he is dead!!! coming from that far (2-3 yards is a long distance in indoor)... he would be in the middle of the net by the time the corner is taken and if it is an option back to the pusher he will never get there.
I don't mean to rip on your defence set up but this is High School stuff!!!
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Tom
02-14-2002 1:03 pm
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You can also have some of your runners standing behind each other which will save some running distance.
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Steven
02-14-2002 1:21 pm
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Reply to Jools
I would prefer to have a player defending instead of going running upfront. What I think is important is to instruct player 4 (incase of the diagram) who only runs upfront when we get the ball not before. In indoor hockey it is important to close down ALL the threats as well to create openings.
P.s: Thanks for your help!
STEVEN
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Ashleir
02-14-2002 4:10 pm
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Steve,
Of course you would want your #4 or #5 to run up the floor for a fast break.
Have you played indoor before yourself??
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Steven Cachia
02-14-2002 4:15 pm
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Note
I have to note that penalty corners are givin as an advantage to the attacking team. They are not equal, it is very easy to prepare an attacking penalty corner but it is impossible to eliminate all the threats. (Tom please suggest where no.3 should be and who is going to mark the pusher). Anyway I'm not trying to invent a new system nor inventing a new defensive approaches, I'm just explaining the basic penalty corners for new coaches and the least I'm doing is complicated diagrams and schemes.
p.s: Sometimes high school hockey is much better than international hockey.
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Jools
02-15-2002 11:11 am
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Going out
Hi Steve,
if your keeper is running 1 and the rest of the team is marking the different players, you don't need that number 5 to actually mark anybody because there are two options, either the team getting the short corner are well organised and the rate is about 80% of success to score OR you manage to clear it but you will lose the ball again (because nobody is there to receive it) and as your players will follow the ball if it goes out of the D, then the marking will not be tight, the wings/attackers will be behind your defenders and if the ball comes back, they will use triangles and the boards and they will basically counter attack. If you have this man running up front, he will destabilise the defence as they won't know who to mark, if he receives the ball, two options again, if he has a no-man's-land, then he can try to score on his own, or he may hold it to build the action by waiting for his teammates to help him...Because if you think about it, there should be a man covering the short corner on the half way line but that player will usually move forward if your ball comes out and that is where the defence has to fight to get the ball and counter attack!!!!
jools:p
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THOMAS
02-17-2002 3:24 pm
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INDOOR SHORT CORNER
Firstly I think it's great that you tried to write something constructive but please if we are going to offer advise to others about the sport then lets make sure we do some homework. The angles are all wrong on the diagram to start and as others suggested the starting positions are out of whack the jobs of 3 & 5 are not defined, nor that of the Goalie and 1 & 2. Also there are so many corner variations that when discussing "Defence" we should really at least be covering off the majority of variations because all the basic movements of the players will need subtle but important changes - Apart from that I enjoy reading about Indoor and thank you for writing the article.
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AG
02-18-2002 6:06 am
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The way you defend a short corner depends on the way the opponent is taking his. Generally we vary the way we defend for every game we play. Sometimes you have to defend with all the players while in other times you can even attack with two players. Till now this way gave me a good result since in the first 3 games of the season we suffered no goals from short corners (from about 16 against us)
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John
02-18-2002 7:33 pm
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I think that there are a number of options to consider. What about if the Goalie stays, if the PC is taken from the right. I would also comment that if you think that School hockey is better than International hockey you have been watching thr wrong Countries play indoor.
Even in the attacking side, why do you still have a player covering. This limits your attacking options.
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Jools
02-19-2002 9:49 am
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The cover...
The player is there to make sure that if the stopper misses the ball he can stop it and play it quickly. He is also there in case there is a counter attack...that's why I would personnaly ask one player to cover the back, but I have seen teams using all their players around the D...and the result was that they didn't use that spare guy properly...
jools:p
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Buffy
03-25-2002 4:48 pm
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Ok like it's a big duhhh about the role of #3 runner - ie to cover the goal behind the GK who should be aiming to smother the ball - if by some miracle they do pass it around the sliding keeper then it will be a wide pass, and unless you are playing with a 10 foot goal I think they just might be able to make it to the far post and the inserter.....go play some real indoor before you start talking about taking years to cover 2 or 3 yards.......high school or mens
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edward Hughes
04-30-2002 8:28 am
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I would tell the goaler to rush out ONLY 3 paces from the goal line and let the rusher-out put pressure on the taker. One player covers the left post and an other covers the right. this way the goaler has more chance to stop the ball rather than rushing to it.
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derek
05-25-2002 11:18 pm
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Steve , thanks for having these discussions.
You may consider this run out. line up 1,2.3 from the post, with 3.4 behind no#2.3 For most runouts the goalie goes for the shot, however #2 will always replace the goalie. If he stays, #2 will run for the shot.
If the goalie runs, he will be supported to his right by #1 and to the left by #3, #2 and #4 will take the far post and near post respectively. With #5 supporting to clean up anything from rebounds/deflections however not being inline with direct shots to goal.
If the ball leaves the area, I wouldn't recommend the defenders chasing after the ball, but holding the circle area intact , closing down all attackers in circle. They can only score within the D, so the immediate threat would be within and not outside the D.
With regards to suggestions of having that so called extra man for a counter attack, I think it's more important to have a solid defensive system than to be one goal down.Statistiscally, we'll find that a shot does come off , so it's up to the team to defend and maybe regain control, prior to attacking.
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derek
05-26-2002 9:27 am
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Sorry with the numbering, they will line up 1.2.3. with 4.5 lined up behind 2.3. This allows for easier and quicker positioning of run out.
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ev
06-26-2002 10:36 am
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outdoor
could this tacktic still work if the game is outdorors? i play oudoor girls hockey, i am a defender and was wondering if this would still work?
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kenan
11-18-2003 3:37 pm
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hi im a goalkeeper...and i totally agree with what Edward Hughes posted earlier. I find it much easier to just take the three steps out, because at the same time i can keep an eye out for any free men that are running along the base.
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flick
11-21-2003 1:04 pm
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defending the indoor penalty corner
I would like to hear other formations that people have used to defend an indoor penalty corner.
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Ashley
12-18-2003 8:10 am
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priority of players
steven, i do not even see the problem with the number 3 player beijng left in the middle of the net if he is indeed to slow to get to the far post. It is entirely possible that when the goaly charges the battery he is to slow or slides to early allowing a shot to be made straight away on goal. If this happens then it is up to the postys to defend the goal. all players are allowed to use their hands to stop the ball from crossing the goal line and so a simple deflection from a player would be enough to save the goal as this would imediatly give the defending team a 16 hit. This of course would be an instant resolution to the problem of an opposition counter attack. whether the goaly is running out or not two players must be defending the posts and if it was not possible for no. 3 to reach the right post then this would be where every attacking team would shoot, untill the goaly is forced to move across and cover the right of the goal. In my juniors team we do not use a right post man but instead position the goaly 3 metres out from just inside the right post, this is of course when the attacking tem is pushing from the right hand side.
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disgusted
09-25-2004 3:14 am
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at the quality of comments
guys, corners indoor are easy. rip it in therre.
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Good Luck Ashley
11-17-2004 4:45 am
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Broken Fingers
Ashley, good luck to you if you intend to do #3's job, and have to face an opponent thats good enough to flick the ball with any pace, and you wanna stand on the line and use your hand to palm the ball over the crossbar. In theory this is an ideal solution however I cannot imagine this to work, let alone come close to working when put in practice. Either you will need fingers made of steal or a good surgeon.
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Tigger
02-02-2005 1:36 pm
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Hockey!
I paly hockey and I am not very good at it but I am getting better and I think that the diagram and the brief explanation is fine. By the way, hello mum I'm on the internet!
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Niclas
02-28-2005 3:18 pm
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indoor
i live in sweden and i play indoor maby 6-7 months per year and i have never seen this shortcorner defence before not in sweden ,denmark, germany or norway
i would place the gk where you have placed him but he would just take 3 steps out.
nr1 should go as you have painted it out on the flicker
nr2 should go behind nr one to take whatever nr2 misses and dlear the ball away
nr3 should in the starting position be behind nr one and just take a step out
nr4 should have his starting possition where you have placed nr 3 and run for the injector
nr5 should run for counter attack
excuse my bad english
//Nic from sweden
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youth in the game
05-20-2005 9:39 am
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This could be corrected
Lets assume, that the runners were: X
XXXX
with the keeper coming first of all, narrows the space, thus elimating the number 3 runner for the direct hit to his head, and with runner's 1 coming strong at the side of the keeper helps alot too... runner 2 elimates the pass to the other flicker. Thats all good, but with the number 4 and 5 runners I'd let the number 4 runner stand behind the number one runner, so all he needs to do is step forward to that position where u placed the number 5 runner, and let the number 5 runner do his job, but before he breaks up the field, he should make sure the pass across to the attacker on his side is closed down
Its all about movements, how fast they can get there and move out. My teams works with this strategy for our defense, and it works, I'm impressed with it.
So the 1st three runners stand same place and run the same place, but the 4th and 5th runners run switch where they are running. So the number 4 is on the goal line and the number 5 runner's first priority is to close down the pass accross, and if thats locked down he can proceed up the field...
I hope this wasnt too confusing. if i could draw it out it might be clearer.. hope this helps.
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