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Doubter
08-30-2005 4:36 pm
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This result is proof that the GB team should not consist of mainly English players. Any observer would expect the England side to demolish Scotland...purely on the basis that they contain a larger no. of GB players. The reality is that Scotland and Wales are capable of beating opposition that England have been unable to.
There is no doubt that the Enland team has extreemly talented players, but for some reason they dont perform. Why? .....arrogance? lack of direction? over coached? no passion? who knows.....its probably a combination. one thing is for sure, Scotland kicked butt!!
As a big Hockey fan I took the opportunity to watch the Celtic cup that we hosted this year, and I must say that the Scottish team and Welsh team (Who beat us very narrowly) have players with ability and passion!! What GB would give to have 16 players at an olympic games that could play with that!
I think the GB side should contain a handfull of players from Eng, Sco and Wales. Someone has to put an end to englands domination of an underperfoming GB side
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Ex-pat
08-30-2005 4:58 pm
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Result!
Well done lads, don't know why eurosport chose not to show this game ahead of the tennis that was already on eurosport one, hopefully the highlights will be on tomorrow, but sounds like a great performance, just carry it through to the belgium game and we're in with a shout of a medal!
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aministrator
08-30-2005 5:13 pm
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England
What more did you expect. England have a bunch of non hoppers with a management team to match. I have a bet that england will finish last in yet another tournament and know they won't dissapoint me. The fact is apart from one player Ben Hawes the rest wouldn't make the reserve teams in the top 12 world ranked teams which a number of players left behind in england would. Open you eyes Jason Lee and start selecting them otherwise your job will become vacant sooner than you think.
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Player
08-30-2005 5:49 pm
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Shocker
Shocker from England, well done Scotland.
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gb901
08-30-2005 6:25 pm
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Good grief ...We cant even beat the Scots!!!
The death of Australian cricket looks soon to be joined by Engllish hockey as it appears to be on its last legs after the dire 4-2 defeat today by Scotland in the mens Eurpoean Championships. We await the usual compliation of excuses!
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Paddy field
08-30-2005 8:48 pm
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Galic
Good stuff Scotland...England hockey sink to new lows.....need to kick out to old "public school" twats that run the game, both in mens and womens hockey and stop the whites only policy in promotion of the sport
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The Archers
08-30-2005 10:16 pm
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Administrator what planet
Were you there admin, hawes had his head up his backside counting his euros, the boy has no commitment, i was sitting surounded by blue wishing i was not
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Dougie Donnelly
08-31-2005 2:50 am
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Hats off to the big German, he has succeeded were Berti Vogts failed. His tactics clearly correct on the big occasion once again.
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England
08-31-2005 2:56 am
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Scotland
Congratulations Scotland - talent and passion combine but they always do in this game. Now you need to prove your worth by beating other nations too.
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Hockey Observer
08-31-2005 4:34 am
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looks like nicolson has carried the 21s performances with him to the seniors!! get some foreign coaches in, it is apparent that ours just aren't good enough, apart from john shaw!
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Billy Connolly
08-31-2005 4:45 am
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E.H.A
I’m afraid this could spell the end for Lisa “Scot” Lee, the former member of popular beat combo Steps was an extremely risky appointment by the English Hockey Association, however, few could have envisioned the “Tragedy” too beset both GB and England since she took up the reins. It’s abundantly clear that the intricate dance moves brought from hits such as “Stomp” and “Last thing on my mind” have simply not translated into the patterns of play Ms Lee had hoped for and her players seem devoid of the rhythm required to cut it at the highest level. Unfortunately if Ms Lee is unable to ensure her charges get it together for their next fixture against the mighty Bosch then they could concede as many as ”5,6,7,8”. It maybe that the middle of a tournament isn’t the best time to cut the coach adrift, as sometimes it’s a case of “Better the Devil you know”. However if the result goes the way the hockey world expects then this will set of a “Chain Reaction” with only one outcome. Therefore Ms Lee would perhaps be better advised to cut her loses and the whole sorry debacle can be “Better Best Forgotten”
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Humiliated
08-31-2005 5:15 am
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English Hockey R.I.P.
I thought when English Hockey went bust and we lost our (admittedly ill conceived) National Stadium to a bunch of Kev-ballers things couldn't sink any lower - WRONG! English hockey has stooped to a new and embarrassing low and with no possible solution looking likely the future looks bleak.
At least we get automatic entry to the London Olympics as hosts but then Greece were excluded from Athens on the basis that they were not good enough to compete at that level - at this rate, it could happen to us!
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keeper
08-31-2005 6:00 am
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stand in shame
First of all, congrats to the Scots lets not take anything away from them.
But English hockey has reached a new low, time for a few head to roll starting with Jason "no idea" Lee and Brett "past it" Garrard. The English hockey players pride is being destroyed.
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the watcher
08-31-2005 6:10 am
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poor, poor, poor
england are rubbish
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Jason Lee aka jobless
08-31-2005 7:41 am
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I am a celebrity get me out of here!!
why oh why did I shaft Vinson, he could be getting all the grief not me, its not fair, it must be Peter's fault.
Yes, all was going well until Peter messed it all up.
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There
08-31-2005 8:19 am
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Jason Lee aka jobless
Get your facts right. Vinson was shafted by Hammmo. Nothing to do with Lee and if you know Jason at all he wouldn't be blaming anyone without looking at himself first.
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guest
08-31-2005 9:51 am
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Full Moon Syndrome (what is goin on?)
First the English cricket team torment the Aussies most of the summer.
£50 for a ticket
Next Scotland play a gem to beat the Englsih hockey team.
50 Euros
Wales beating England in saturday?
One hell of a party in Cardiff.
For every other shock,there's always Sport England.
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Red Rover
08-31-2005 3:05 pm
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Eng v Scot
Plane tickets to Liepzig - £200
Hotel - £500
Match Tickets - £50
Watching Scotland Hammer England - PRICELESS
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The Archers
08-31-2005 4:24 pm
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PRICELESS
Red Rover, You forgot to add the 200 euros I spent on drowning my sorrows, it hurts
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Bitter
08-31-2005 4:34 pm
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you have the result
we have the monarchy
lets rebuild the wall
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angry
08-31-2005 5:02 pm
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hmmm, we really are bad.
Funny how teams like reading can compete with the best of the best in europe and not look bad, but the national side struggles against everyone. Something needs to be done.
Oh, and paddy field, don't turn this into another 'why don't more asians play for england thread' we have heard it all before.
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Asghar Khan
08-31-2005 5:10 pm
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Fact !
Scotland beating England is not a flash in the pan ,as Scots excel at indoor hockey and have carried this to playing on astro.
Scotland have every right to press for the right of Scottish players being selected for GB , as proposed by some that the English team should represent GB.
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Brother Bear
08-31-2005 6:20 pm
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why is everyone saying that England are rubbish because they were beaten by scotland? i didn't see the game but this seems a bit unfair on both teams. can no-one see that this might finally be an improvement in the scottish team? we have been on the up for a few years and its now all coming together! youth is the way forward and get leonard out!! well past his sell-by-date.
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viewer
09-01-2005 1:18 am
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Bear Brother
I could put a english team together from those not selected by Jason Lee and also beat the current team by 4 plus goals. They are the worst english team I have ever seen and I have been arround a number of years and played international hockey.
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Morningside
09-01-2005 4:22 am
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Now as The Performance Director got the blame for the performance of the women's team in Dublin - does he get any credit for this victory?
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Alan Hansen
09-01-2005 5:19 am
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Brother Bear
Whilst agreed that youth is the way forward I think combining them with the veteran 100 cappers of Leonard, Dunlop, Ralph & Marwaha is one of the reasons why these youngsters are flourishing.
I believe Leonard was excellent against England yet you want rid.
Just remember son, 'You can't win anything with kids'
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Scotty reporting from Leipzig
09-01-2005 10:15 am
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Brother Bear
They are bad, I mean cr#p, but we we are better and can all hold our heads high thanks to the boys who represented us in Leipzig which is more than those pompous and arrogant southern boys are able to do.
Although we lost 2 -1 to belgium today, they all the Belgian players & supporters maintained we were a better team than the english rabble they played a couple of days ago.
Got to go as I am hopefully about to witness Germany thashing the auld enemy by double figures.
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guest
09-01-2005 11:15 am
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Jokes aside
I think its good for british hockey.If the Scots continue their form,perhaps this could improve the GB level for the next olympics.That's assuming the GB programme will allow the squad sufficient time to fully prepare.
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Youth Selection
09-01-2005 2:17 pm
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Come forth all ye Wayne Rooneys with Hockey sticks and save us
I am surprised how few younger players are involved for England. Belgium had two players who played in the U18 Euros in July and I see Scotland have an 18 year old and Germany a 19 year old. And these are just from the few games i have seen.
Where are the likes of Cheesman, S Mantell, Lane etc from the U21s. Maybe they did underperform at the Junior World Cup only finishing 9th, but there must be some players in the squad that we could look to rather than keep average mid to late 20s players in for the time being until we deem the younger ones old enough.
Take Wayne Rooney for example, when he was first selected for the England team he probably wasn't quite good enough. However, the England Football management team recognised that this could be different very soon and they took a chance. This chance didn't turn out too bad either, look at the lad now.
The point I am making is that when people talk about fresh faces there are still some that are keep in and do not deserve their place. And from what I have seen it's the new faces and younger players that have performed best such as:
West, Middleton, Daly, Marsden, Clarke
These should be the foundation of the next squads and youth should be blooded in order for us to be preparing the squads for Beijing 2008 and London 2012 and the world cups now, rather than a year before they start.
Also special mention to Jon Ebsworth. In the games aired live on Eurosport he has performed very well. Basically, he did his job and kept the ball out on every possible occasion he could.
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Jon Ebsworth fan club
09-01-2005 4:21 pm
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as someone that has played with and against jon, it is so nice to see that someone who has always been there or there abouts doing so well. It would be lovely to have the opportunity at a tournament to say that the keeper copuldn't be that good because we didnt see him! Unfortunately we have seen jon a lot, and what we have seen has been brilliant, by far our number one right now.
The save he made off of Witthaus today, diving to his left was, i feel, underestimated by the commentators.
Well done also to Benny M, awesome mate, lets just hope that you stay in Spain , because whatever it has done to you has been brilliant, and im sure they have a more than ample selection of the female variety, i just hope that you didnt take your 205 with you, probably not the best pulling machine!
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24 year old
09-01-2005 4:39 pm
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Youth Selection
Why players under 21 why not just pick players regardless of age if they have proven ability.
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Kim Kyung Soo
09-01-2005 7:19 pm
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Looking from far away
Just want to know your opinion.....
Should Scotland qualify to the World Cup, would you think Laurence Docherty regretted acquiring Dutch Citizenship?
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keeper
09-02-2005 4:02 am
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Ebsworth
I can't agree that he played well against Germany, he had very little to do, when he was called upon with 2 minutes to go he came out and laydown far to early making it far too easy for the German to chip the ball over his static length.
Basics, I teach keeper that dropping is tha last option and you should stay on your feet as long as possible, stay up and mobile.
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Oh the pain of reality
09-02-2005 6:42 am
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Scottish Olympic Aspirations
It's fantastic the short memories of some and how a win over the 'auld enemy' provokes such comments.
Sure the Scots have done well, I hope they stay in the A-division and England as well. However, the reality is this. Because Scotland and Wales would not sign up to a wholesale GB programme and wanted to retain their precious national identity England had to be nominated as the GB 'flag carrier' as the highest ranked team. If they get relegated then they are in the B division in 2007, currently the teams for the Olympic qualifier from Europe will be drawn from the A division of the Euro Cup in 2007. It doesn't take Einstein to see that by not prioritising the Olympics and GB and it's importance how good the Scots players are and how many should force their way into a GB team is irrellevant as Beijing is not an option!!
Isn't it interesting that beating England has always been so important, when it happens the Englash are slated and told they should be replaced at GB level, unfortunately by beating them they have destroyed their own chances of competing as GB. That's ok though as playing for Scotland was always more important than GB anyway.
Hmmm ...
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hockey fan
09-02-2005 7:49 am
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Engalnd r hopeless, for example, free hit in oppositions 25 near long corner mark, what do engalnd do?
Slap the ball back 60 yards to their own 25. Truly hopeless!
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Suni
09-02-2005 9:37 am
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Youth selection - mate, don't blame the U21s for underforming in the Junior World Cup - blame the management for undermining them. Talent was there in spades.
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lEIGH
09-02-2005 11:11 am
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So good for GB that given Englands predicament GB may not get chance to qualify for the Olympics - its not just England that suffer here!
If only scotland could beat other teams and not just the auld enemy - every minnow has their day from time to time!
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jd
09-02-2005 5:27 pm
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relegation?
who counted their chickens a little too early
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A REAL BEAR
09-03-2005 3:43 am
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To Brother Bear
Great comments - I trust you are anti GB and the Olympics - I hope the Scottish players who were in Athens know how you feel as I bet they don't share your views.
I hope you enjoy the game against Poland ensuring you don't win the wooden spoon. What a pity Scotland can't perform against teams other than England - it's their biggest down fall and as someone who does care about GB, something that should be addressed moving forward.
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to keeper
09-03-2005 4:11 am
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re ebsworth
Your ideas are so old fashioned its not true - take a look at the great keepersaround the world they do not all stay on their feet like schoolboys!!!!!!!!!!! If you are an England coach then our team has no chance.
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Hockey Coach
09-03-2005 11:24 am
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Talking about Gk's
Watching the Germany v Spain Semi-Final:
Spot the 'ready' position of the Spanish GK on pcs.Focus on his right arm and stick position.Its pointing at the skies*(b/w 12 and 1pm if it was a clock) and his arm is almost in line with his shoulderblade.In that position he is gonna struggle to cover low flick to his right hand side.Love it,drag flick bottow left.Germans scored bottom left low corner.
I see we have a few gk experts(I'm not one of them might i add).Pls watch out for this 2moro(assuming ur watching the final) and post a comment in reply.
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atlas
09-03-2005 11:44 am
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good to see from tournament reports that jon ebsworth is playing so well. He deserves this recognition and is one of the few real performers out there.
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Youth Selection
09-03-2005 3:50 pm
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To Suni: I was not blaming the players for underperforming at the JWC. Actually I was trying to say that there probably are some good enough players that were in that squad. I was trying to back my suggestions of selecting youth if it is good enough as some may come out and say our youth is not good enough because of that final placing.
And To 24 year old: Sorry, what I meant is that if there are young players who have great potential why not put them in at an early age. I meant young now, so that by the time the Olympics etc come around they should have developed into good internationals. I wouldn't like to see a team of U21s oh no! I meant that it doesnt seem the case that we ever take a chance on raw young talent at an early age. If there are any who are capable that is!
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Brother Bear
09-03-2005 6:52 pm
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'A REAL BEAR'
don't really see what you are getting at?
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29 year old & still good enough
09-04-2005 2:35 am
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Youth Selection
You ask that the england coach takes a chance on youngster, "don't be silly" he doesn't do it with recognised talent who perform weekly in the national league, J Lee picks yes men who appear to be his lough uni mates.
The team in Leipzig were an embarrisment to english hockey losing 3 games drawing 1 & winning 1 the situation on selection won't change whilst the cuurent coach adopts this arrogant and bias approach to selection.
If coach Lee NOW sincerely believes the squad of players he took to the europeans was the best available, he should do the honorable thing and resign as 10's of thousands who play & coach hockey at all levels in england know defferently because they had to endure this appalling debarcle and the humiliation.
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bloke
09-04-2005 9:17 am
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agree
the scotish side beat england with experience, 29 must be the peak of your game, not over, kids can do well as man u proved, but they had, severall old heads looking after them.
Surely balance is the way to go, is cordon really better than todd? wyatt should still be playing as should wallis and hall, its is a joke that the these players who would have destroyed scotland have been treated so badly.
The England rugby team had severall mid thirties players, not because they were 30 because they were the best, if Lee took his blinkers off he would pick the best players from a a pool of around 35 players, some who are full time hockey players, some who are part time.
aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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heard on the grapewine..
09-04-2005 10:15 am
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lawrence doh!
i heard from a insider that lawro was coming back to scotland and intending to join inverleith! i doubted it at first but when it comes from the nags mouth..........
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re keepers
09-04-2005 2:49 pm
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dutch keeper in final v dspain
Watched this match and it was interesting to see that the Dutch keeper (recognised as one of the best) made many great saves going to ground or diving across goal - the ones he let in were when he was standing up - a few through his legs too. A great match to watch and both teams in anogther ggalaxy- from us, though Ebsworth had a good tournament.
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Grapes of Wrath
09-05-2005 3:36 am
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Doh! Ball
Maybe the Dutch are keeping Laurence in the bag for Beijing! Aye and maybe Scotland will beat someone other than England. The lad turned his back on his country for purely selfish reasons, so if he is to return home then he’d be better joining the loathsome Kelburne.
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informer
09-05-2005 4:20 am
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Re: Heard on the grapewine...
Sorry mate your info is false. Lawrence has just signed another 3 year contract with Klien in Holland.
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kate
09-05-2005 2:27 pm
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atlas hockey
Does anyone know where to buy atlas hockey equipment?Thanks
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curious
09-05-2005 2:29 pm
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grapes of wrath
what do you mean " loathsome Kelburne" ?
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blue
09-05-2005 4:18 pm
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you make it sound disgraceful for laurence to play for holland, he went to better his hockey and look at him now
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Why
09-06-2005 11:28 am
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Why Loathsome Kelburne explain yourself...?
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Guy in Australia
09-20-2005 3:14 am
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atlas hockey
Kate, Atlas Hockey is owned by a guy here in Western Australia. I use the sticks and get you the details if you are still keen?
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ross
09-26-2005 11:05 am
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atlas sticks
I'd be interested in knowing how to get an atlas stick. I know you can't get them in the UK yet unless sponsored but have knocked around with a couple of sticks and think they're pretty good.
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