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Ian
08-29-2005 4:43 pm
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Good penalty corner specialist and pretty well rounded team. Coached by a South African. Unlucky not to qualify for the Olympics after being knocked out by South Africa when leading with 12 seconds remaining. SA equalised then won on strokes. Would be in the same level as England, Poland and France at this Tornament.
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Coach & Was There
08-30-2005 2:05 am
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Belgium Game
England were cr@#p and lucky, very lucky to have got a result with thanks going to the goalkeeper who had a fine game. We are by far "the way we played" the worst side in the competition, even Scotland who lost 5-1 to Germany had more idea than the English. We are truly a very dreadful team and the laughing stock on the international circuit. Other than the goalkeepers performance no other english player would get into any of the top 6 teams at the tournament, so what chance do we have in the future of competing at international level with this squad of players. "There is no flair in the team and they all look like robots" and these robots can't play, and don't know how to play to systems and paterns of play. Better players at home who should be considered and most certainly players with more flair. Jason Leehas to sort this mess out quickly and get advise and help otherwise he will lose his job, but the major problem for JL is his performace director who is clueless and can offer no help as he really doesn't know anything about the modern game and talks rubbish 99% of the time, with the other 1% taking a breath of air. DF most boring man I have met and just talking to him makes me realise just how little he knows.
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dp
08-30-2005 7:46 am
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Alexander
Very disappointing to watch yesterday. A very boring game compared to others seen so far.
One player stood out for me yesterday and that is Alexander. I don't remember him making a clean tackle. He just charged round like a bull in a china shop clattering opponents sticks and not protecting his feet. It looked so easy to win a penalty corner against him, and they are the things that seem to win and lose games at this level.
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player
08-30-2005 9:20 am
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dp
Don't worry he is a mate of the coach from uni so another "NO HOPPER" will retain his place.
Many better players than Alexander playing in div 2 & 3 of the national league.
I have watched this guy many times and he plays his game like a headless chicken.
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X
08-30-2005 10:02 am
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Coach who was there
Why should Jason Lee have to go elsewhere for help on patterns of play etc??? Isn't that his job as coach!!! I'm all for giving him a chance but if this tournament follows a similar pattern as the Olympic tournament did, both in results and performances (which, lets be honest is looking increasingly likely), then surely some questions must be asked.
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the truth
08-30-2005 10:15 am
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england are rubbish and have no flair. fact.
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be fair
08-30-2005 11:17 am
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England
Hawes and Clarke were excellent
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Observer
08-30-2005 12:23 pm
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Be fair
They were average, but looked good as the rest of the english team were sh#t. Jason Lee must now surely look at the talented playmakers left behind and those he refuses to even ask to attend training camps. The fact is the players just are not capable and have zero flair & vision.
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Disappointed
08-30-2005 2:38 pm
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England
England seem to be able to take the word attacking out of attacking hockey. It was getting to a point where I was contemplating watching my fridge defrost. Jason Lee looked at one point when the camera was on him like a man with no ideas and was hoping his players could pull something out of the bag, this might not be the case but as a player there's nothing worse than looking to a bench and seeing nothing positive. Yes it's easy to criticise but I believe that he has an unfortunate position as the EHA are not funded well enough and perhaps the money they do get may not be directed appropriately. We need to become more attacking, get some players with flair in the side again. Lets not be a Nation that holds a conference where our National coaches get mocked by foreign representatives attending. I felt Lee was put up on a pedestal to be shot down again.
I'd love to see an England side mixing it up with the big guns but after being drubbed by the Scots are we going to have anything from the players.?
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z
08-30-2005 2:50 pm
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Scotland 4 England 2
Where do England go from here? They are in serious danger of relegation.
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gloom
08-30-2005 3:22 pm
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we have lost to scotland, lee must resign, if Vinson got fired for a bronze, lee must get a public flogging
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Watched it.
08-30-2005 4:08 pm
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I think the comments from dp and the coach 'who was there', are very accurate. England simply did'nt have a clue against a side who were even more poor than themselves.
But, as a fierce critic of the england team (i'm one of those posters who always get his 50 pence worth in the British Asians vs England debates) i was impressed by Hawes and clarke to a degree. Hawes looked strong and powerful (like a typical dutch full-back), but had no one round to really play with. West was the most impressive in my opininon, not because of his performance, but more to his potential. He really looked as if he could unlock a defence with a quick 1-2 and his stickwork, but again he has no-one on the same thinking level as himself. If you put that boy in one of the top european teams like Germany, Spain and even Pakistan, he would shine no end.
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Goodbye LEE BOY
08-30-2005 4:21 pm
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Well, What can one write............. Bloody useless........ SACK the COACH and get rid of these useless DUMMIES to cannot play Hockey.
Get a DECENT Coach and start from the Drawing Board otherwise we will like Greeks with no team at 2012.
Well Done Scotland, I admit your are better than us, I respect your Win
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onlooker
08-30-2005 4:29 pm
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some of the players there & those left behind do have flair and some excitment which is why they were selected in the first place!
but they are not allowed to play as they do for their clubs; game plans/patterns of play are so cautious and blinkered. Every team needs someone with the X factor & it takes a brave or intelligent person to realise who those people are.
I always thought, even from a basic level, that the manager & coaches job is to motivate & get the best from the better players & to help them perform better; not to exclude anyone they cant cope with......
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coach
08-30-2005 5:26 pm
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selection
Please remind me which english men scored the most number of open play field goals in nat div 1 - 2 (take the top two in either division) last season and why are they not part of the english squad, "sorry I know why !!" they have flair and vision and don't play like robots.
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wayne wonder
08-30-2005 5:35 pm
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I've thought it all along, but England's team has a set of players looking for damage limitation, and the two games I've watched have proved this. We have taken players that work hard, try their best but ultimately haven't got what it takes to make the grade.
The likes of Marsden, Tindall, Goudie, Moore, Alexander, Ebsworth and Stedman will never play for a successful International team. Trying hard simply doesn't seem to be enough at that level, and judging by the Scotland game some didn't even do that.
Lee seemed clueless and must now go. (I'd rather have Graeme Souness!!!) We need to pick players with talent and potential to be the best. The likes of Martin Jones and Darren Cheeseman may be inconsistent but are unpredictable (which opponents hate) and dangerous. On their day, they can mix it with the very best which cannot be said for many of the current squad. Their best simply will never be good enough. We need a coach who can identify talent (and not just pick their mates by the sound of things) and one who is prepared to push those players to be their best.
Jimi Lewis, along with players like Jones and Cheeseman, are apparently different to the norm and are not easy to coach. But, at the end of the day, the coach is paid to be successful. This one is not and must get the chop.
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Hockey Observer
08-30-2005 5:56 pm
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Funding
Please don't ever say that England/GB are not properly funded........There are top 10 teams in the world who have performed well in KL, Manchester and Athens who have a lot less money than this nation to spend on hockey. Look inside England at your structure and quality of personel. The players will only be able to play as well as they are coached and within the environment that they are presented with and more inportantly believe in.
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The Archers
08-30-2005 10:09 pm
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I was there
To all concerned, It is now 5 am, having just returned to my hotel after one or two drinks that may or may not sway my judgement and spelling, in all honesty we were a 2nd rate out fit who need more than a kick up the you know what. for people to say that the above mentioned JR and BH were good then eye tests are needed all round. will comment further when more sleep is had and the smell of coconut has worn off. Tom, good luck and be good, H don't forget Monday.
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Hangover
08-31-2005 1:50 am
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England
I seriously considered topping myself after this performance but my German & French friends here just got me drunker to alleviate the embarrassment.
The big problem is the whole team have the notion you defend from the front, why doesn't someone tell them you attack from the front and defend at the back, and foreget all this fancy jargon and crap revovling arround the english camp and stick to the old fashion hockey basics, as they have clearly eaten to many training manuals and I really question if they really understand what is being said and expected of them as they don't come accross very smart especially the way they play.
I have been watching the way the english players have been conducting themselves and the arrogance that for second & third rate players is abnoxious and the worst being Ben Hawes who has started to believe he is something else and doesn't realise he is thick as sh~t and has no personality.
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H (a different one)
08-31-2005 8:20 am
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Root and branch
We need to rip apart the whole structure of hockey in England and start afresh. This was available to us when the HA folded, but we didn't do it properley.
Until we adopt a structure that is not dominated by the county structure at the youth level, we will not break the back of this problem. Any player who has not made county standard by U18's has little chance of playing full intl.
We also need to ensure that people in charge are comfortable being challenged and are happy to take on other view points, after all you are never to old to learn.
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Wanderer
08-31-2005 9:11 am
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There is merit to some comments on this site.
I do not want to critisise Lee since I'm sure he will be the first to do so himself. However, perhaps it is time to re-think selection of only safe, hardworking players who toe the party line. You need the talented, argumentative, challenging players also to be selected ( they may not always agree with the coach and may not be liked either ) but they are the ones who add another dimension to the team. Don't ignore talent simply because the players don't fit the mould or are unpredictable - handled properly and motivated these are the ones who will make the difference.
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Leipzig
08-31-2005 12:12 pm
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Firepower
outside of the safe and lets try to defend from the front style that is becoming so England - we lacked real firepower upfront. When we did get into the D our shots seemed feeble - I am sorry to say it, but East Grinstead's Ben Payne would certainly add add a little something different, played against his last season and he reallys is very good on the open and reverse side, ouside of the skill he has absolutely tons of - should be given a chance.
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Ex player
08-31-2005 12:43 pm
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Jason lee
The problem is Jason Lee thinks he knows best and won't entertain points raised by members of the squad togehter with coaches who have many years experience and avoids confrontation at all cost. How the hell is the guy going to learn if he doesn't listen. I saw 3 forwards & 3 defenders playing nat league div 2 last year who should based on our current performances be in the current england squad.
The real problem is the 1988 self appointed club members who run our beloved sport still live in the dark ages and know nothing about modern day hockey and how it works. Get rid of them and replace the prats with young blood who have proven management ability.
Now the sh~t has started to hit the fan, none of the 1988 brigade will raise their heads above the parapit for fear of getting it shot off.
David Faulkner should be working on publishing his report on the past england performances and lets all view them to ensure they are accurate. and then secondly submitting his resignation.
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Mere Female
08-31-2005 6:34 pm
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Anyone
I have read all the posts re all the articles on this site re the loss by England and want to comment that there seems to be a concensus that the male England players should be allowed to play in their own style, with the flair they show for their club, and not to a preprescribed format. On reading the posts prior to the women's tournament I was given to believe that there were 'prima donnas' ie. individuals who believed in themselves and did their own thing, being brought into the team which, the posts seemed to think was not the way to progress.
MAKE UP YOUR MINDS
As for Faulkener - I don't know much about him, but, was under the impression that his job was to find sponsors etc. - not to pick a squad. As such what has he to do with the players doing badly?
I also have had enough about 'The Auld Enemy' - who was alive when it all started - certainly not me?
All the Home Nations need is to get their best players into the spotlight so that GB CAN pick the best so that we can stop being humiliated by the rest.
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int
09-01-2005 3:26 am
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ehl
ok guys why do we all put up with it lets change the system then we can out vote them lets all meet at a major hotel and re form english hockey after all ehl at the moment is a ltd company we do not have to go with them
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