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fan
08-22-2005 9:43 pm
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cut the management
surely the management MUST take rsponsibilty. bring back Mike Gilbert !!!!!
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funny
08-23-2005 6:05 am
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They should lose their lottery support despite the shocking results considering most of it went on buying the players lunch from sainsburys, what are they incapable of making a packed lunch!!! They got everything free while the u18s paid £1000 contribution and the u21s £500. At least the u18s won their tournament. Glad hobley has been shown up for what she really is and will this teach the shu alesson,hmm, i doubt it!!!
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seniors
08-23-2005 6:28 am
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maybe this will be a lesson for us- COACHES- Pick the BEST squad available! So much crap politics and good players being dropped for stupid reasons! Also- quit wasting money on lunches and hotel bills, sure these girls are capable of making sandwiches and kipping on mates floors!
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Disappointed
08-23-2005 9:02 am
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Surely Heads should roll, who was it that employed this woman Hobley..?
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Outsider
08-23-2005 9:15 am
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how many times have scotland failed since Brent Deans has been in charge ? How can he blame the players surely he must be held accountable. With the SHU have the nerve to do it ?
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Objective
08-23-2005 9:48 am
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Easy target to blame Hobley I think Mr Dean's role within the programme needs the most investigating!
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good1151
08-23-2005 9:49 am
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Right so lets get this straight. At a time when there is more funding available with one eye on improved performance at the 2012 Olympics the lottery are looking to cut funding?
Surely the idea should be to increase funding, looking to make more time available for coaching/playing against top quality opposition to further improve the team.
What benefit will the girls get from having funding reduced, surely this will make it harder to regain their place in the A division come 2007?
I agree that the funding should be put to better use. Maybe there needs to be efforts focussed on where the monies are directed. More pitch time and integration for younger players to gain exposure, after all the U18s won their division and the U21s are going to Chile for the World Cup next month...
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Armband
08-23-2005 10:24 am
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Fact is that the womens squad has been in steady decline for a number of years. Too many prima donnas who think they have made it and not enough competition for places.
Saw them play at the Celtic Cup and the team was decidedly average and not surprised by outcome in Dublin.
What good players were dropped for crap reasons?
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confused?
08-23-2005 11:56 am
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best squad?
Exactly who would you have picked instead to go to the Europeans considering we have a serious lack of depth in our squad? Who that would have made a difference?
The sad truth is it's nothing to do with Lesley Hobley, it's to do with the legacy that poor coaching from those such as Mike Gilbert left behind for her. She is doing a good job and enough with the politics chat and wrong people getting picked. The best 18 at the time went, but the sad truth is we only have three or four class players who can compete at that level.
Players need to raise personal standards, maybe take a hard a look at those players who think they're good enough and blatently aren't rather than point the finger always at coaches. Lesley can't suddenly pull players of the quality we require out of nowhere, she can only work with what's there and for the moment it's not good enough.
Bear in mind more than half the team have less than 20 caps, it's time to build a new team and maybe the team will be playing B division but at least we have qualified for the WCQ and have this chance. I totally agree with good1151, the funding is required.
Also, the u/18s won B division, at that level that should be what's expected.
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interested viewer
08-23-2005 4:21 pm
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Gilbert
Hold on this has nothing to do with Mike Gilbert, he is a very good coach, maybe the fact last year the new coach had no practice matches, a young squad had only really a year to prepare, why was the previous 12 months spent doing nothing, the buck stops with the coach, these are atheletes who have trained non stop for 12 months with the current coaches ideas, stop having a gripe at a previous coach for some other reason.
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Player
08-23-2005 4:45 pm
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Scotland Ladies
I never fails to amaze me on this site that as soon as there is failure we are full of criticism. If you feel the need to comment then you must have involvement in the sport. Why not support your sport rather than criticise?
Starting off on the point of the U18's and U21's winning this and that. The competition's these girls had the privelge of playing at was mostly due to the many players in the Seniors that have gone before them as they had won in previous years. These comments which are above obviously from a few of these squad members are a little harsh.
This brings me onto the senior ladies. Most again being left what has been left for them to build on and with squads changing putting pressure on the girls to work as a unit. Do you see these girls complaining?
Having the privelge of knowing many of these girls I think that many of the comments are so disrespectful.
These girls work as hard as they can to represent their country and do their best. Many training at all opportunities and travelling here there and everywhere. Why do we expect these players to perform at 100% all the time. Obviously they will have ups and downs as after all they are human.
A comment above about how were not as good as the 'Dutch'. Well take a look at Dutch sport with many athletes playing a sport for their country as a full time job. What are girls doing? Juggling work, uni and training and we expect them to ............
Get real. Start providing these girls with the proper coaching, training, funding and facilities and maybe we will start to see an improvement in results.
Until then please refrain from criticising these individuals who work hard to try to improve our status in hockey.
Jacky Burnett has stated that ' swearing will not be tolerated'. I wish she would take a visit to this site and possibly suggest that ' ignorance has no place in hockey'.
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outsider
08-23-2005 7:33 pm
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according to the SHU website only 6 players had less then 20 caps, seems like a fairly experienced squad to me !!!!!!!. If development of players is the problem whould mr Deans be looking at helping the clubs ? Can't say that I am impressed with the help given to clubs. the situation needs to be changed, perhaps those running the set up as well.
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Comedian
08-24-2005 2:19 am
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No Blame Culture
The various institutes ensure that internationally our core skills are at a level compatible with other countries. However, the focus is consistently on improving the individual and this naturally fosters an attitude of self-importance in the player. These players are usually to young to address this situation and as a result at club level, where he or she will play the majority of their hockey, the player sets unrealistic goals for their less talented or less fortunate teammates. Thus the player becomes alienated and exacerbates matters by waxing lyrical on topics as varied as psychology/physiology diet, and training regardless of the fact they’ve acquired only a fraction of the knowledge required to do so. Eventually they become so self-absorbed that they feel there is no recourse other than to join Kelburne where everything’s great, the rivers are ginger and there’s deep fried mars bar 24-7.
We would benefit a great deal by changing the emphasis away from the individiual or “athlete” as the institute delight in calling them and ensure firstly they understand their place in the team dynamic. This way perhaps they can then take some responsibility for their own developement and have a basis for understanding what it is to participate in team sport. Following this they can then embark on attempt to break the world record for spinning in a circle with the ball trapped on the end of their stick.
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Partridge
08-24-2005 3:56 am
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Who's probing who's exit now....?!
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Anti-Player
08-24-2005 6:20 am
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Player
I agree that much is being made of this coach and that coach and a whole lot of other trivial factors and that generally we should be supportive. There is one big however, these " athletes" were almost full time so how come their fitness appears to fail to compare to previous squads in fact even to previous U21 squads from what I can gather. You can look at all the tactical and techical and strategic issues that you like but the bottom line is that they were not fit enough or fast enough for competition at high Internetional level. Look at the history of developing hockey nations and almost all of them have lead their developmet program by being fit enough to compete, maybe a lesson in there for us as well. Back to basics find some genuine athletes.
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Get a life
08-24-2005 7:44 am
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Sour grapes and sandwiches.....
OMG can't believe that people are discussing the cost of sandwiches..... and honestly believe that players after playing a long hard tournament should sleep on a floor..Are you MENTAL?
As far as players being dropped out of the squad for stupid reasons and that the best team wasn't picked.......... Put your money where your mouth is!! Name names.... i'm sure everybody on this forum will delighted to agree/disagree as to whether these said players should be in the team
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fan
08-24-2005 7:53 am
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can anyone tell me where i can find an up-date timetable for scotland u21 hockey cz im i luv the sport bt hav neva seen any at international level. iv tried loadsa websites bt cant find any info on future matches, events, ect. :)
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A PLAYER 2
08-24-2005 7:59 am
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What does Mr Deans actually do? As far as I see he parades about causing more problems than solving them. He seems to stir up stories that are not valid etc etc and criticises too many players.
As far as I can see the structure for the national team is poor and too club focused. How about developing the individual players more? Certainly, picking 22 players for an Institute programme is ridiculous when we don't have enough quality coaches and back-up support. They should focus on a small number eg 8 and really develop them as much as possible (even if that did not include myself!). This would probably have better impact on national team alongside a national team support package!
Brent Deans & Leslie were completely irresponsible in Dublin as to the way they talked down to players who may or may not have been underperforming but the critiscism was completely lacking any constructive points at all! To tell a player that they are 'crap' is ridiculous within such an intense situation.
The assistant coaches were useless and did not contribute. I would also go as far to say that despite future team selections, two of our best (not naming names) will probably never want to play for Scotland again - I was shocked and disgusted at the way several players were treated, completely wrong!
The Institute and not Brent or Lesley needs to look at the hockey programme and make decisions there.
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k
08-24-2005 9:24 am
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whoever made the comment about how players having less than 20 caps may affect performance - i out of interest looked at the other squads in the tournament, and Holland, Germany and Ireland ALL had players 18 or under in their teams - one, i think it may have been Holland, actually played a 16 year old. Yes, I know that our 16 and 18 year olds may not be strong enough yet to stand out at this level, but surely its worth giving people like say...Nikki Kidd, who has just turned 18, a shot at developing at such a high standard of hockey if we are to make the desired impact on the London 2012 GBR team?
Don't shoot me down I'm just voicing an opinion
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outsider
08-24-2005 9:36 am
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how can you say that the Institue needs to look at the programme,who is the Institute ? what do they know about hockey. they allow Brent and his ''team'' to do as they please.Surely after your comments about Brent and Lesley someone needs to look at their management skills !!! and perhaps thier futures as leaders of Scottish hockey.
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Comedian
08-24-2005 9:42 am
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Player 2
Question: Where are we going to get these mythical 8 players to populate this magical institute? Answer: The Scottish clubs. So while you might not like the fact that squad selection is club focused I’m afraid you’re stuck with it. Get fit and take responsibility for your performance and you’ll get on a little better.
That said, I have to agree with your comments regarding Colonel Saunders, for too long this guy has been dining out on my match fee and henceforth should stay at home unless he’s got something remotely constructive to offer. If he’s the “manager” then in my experience of International Hockey his purpose is to button his ludicrously hairy bottom lip, ensure his charges have clean strips to play in and enough water and Bananas to give King Kong indigestion. How the team performs is Big Birds function and not that of the guy employed to organise when you meet for breakfast or the time you have to be on the bus.
Before I go, I have a little aside for all those horrified at the performance, I think the ladies finished 7th last time and the time before that, however, the tournament has changed from a 10 team event to 8, you do the maths.
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Sam
08-24-2005 11:31 am
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Brent
Where did this guy come from? He saunters around like he was The Almighty. Opens his mouth before thinking and generally has made no difference to Scottish Hockey.SHU the time has come for action ,get off the players backs Give the Manager his one way ticket and make sure he gets on the plane
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Philosopher
08-24-2005 11:46 am
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Dose of realism
Honestly, what did you lot expect?
You scraped into the A Division in the first place - remember 2003 in Barcelona when you lost to Azerbaijan, only came 7th after beating France by the skin of your teeth and you selected an aged load of fatties led by the most uninspiring coach of all time!
This time, you blooded a load of young players, stuffed the French, qualified for the World Cup qualifier (where you will get absolutely hammered) and actually only got a hiding from the Olympic champions. In a group of England, Germany and Ukraine (when did you last beat Ukraine?), you were always going to come last!
Lesley Hobley should be applauded for bothering to take a job in a land of numpties where the chips on shoulders are balanced only by the weight of unreasonable expectations.
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Not as thick as you
08-24-2005 1:17 pm
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Re funny
Ha do you actually think getting them to make their own packed lunches is goin to make them any better? Maybe we are just being too big for our boots. Scotland is a small country and shouldn't expect big things. An old story of 'the further you reach the further you fall.' Sorry to be grim folks.
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John Trueman
08-24-2005 7:02 pm
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Small can be better.
Population of Scotland? Compare to New zealand. Look at what you've got and get tougher. Norway is small pop. wise and they seem to do alright at football. Don't you realise having a small base can be an advantage. Nobody should fall through the cracks. How depressing for some kid in Toowoomba who would make most national teams in the world but can't get a look in for Queensland. Think yourselves lucky; and grab your opportunities.
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scout
08-25-2005 5:21 am
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John Trueman
this kid in Toowoomba, has he got a Scottish granny?
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Kelvinside
08-25-2005 7:33 pm
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Fixes
This might have nothing to do with coaching - the institute (as they run both the mens & womens teams now) put in Hobley & the german - but maybe Mr Bean could be coach and the birds would get the same result? Many of the palyers have lost the story - get picked or sucked into the SIS and your god-like; must be good now and dont even need to get better. Take players like Valentine & Rochlin & others - how many years have they been in the institute? Have they got better? But they think their automatic GB picks - huge egos and little understanding of how to play hockey as a team, scotland suffers. They have not listened to Lesley - smile to her face but very different behind her back and even to their team mates. We all want scotland to do well but why should we take the blame for players being primas?
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Nostradamus
08-26-2005 2:48 am
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Hobley
I hope the Scots will listen to Lesley, an excellent coach. However many of the dim Scots will wish her to fail as she is English. The intelligent Scots will wish her to succeed.
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Plato
08-26-2005 8:38 am
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Hobley
May or may not be good but has no real international experience and is learning at expense of scotland just like she did before with wales, any guesses for how long before she moves on again?
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Morningside
08-26-2005 9:07 am
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Institute
Only select a small number of players for the Institute --- haven't we been there before? Oh yes that was how it was until last year -- and newsflash it wasn't working. Players turning up to sessions and physios only being allowed to treat the chosen ones -- that does a lot of good for team moral. The whole squad must be in the Institute because it gives collective responsibilty - at least this time the Institute can't turn round and say they have no responsibility at all for this team's results.
Having said that what did we really expect - when was the last time we got close to England in a tournament match (and I mean in the women's game here), was anyone deluded enough to believe we would beat Germany?
The best we could have hoped for here was 5th or 6th and we were one win from that.
Where do we go from here? well perhaps it is time for the women's squad to do the hard miles that the men have had to do over the last few years - fly the cheapo airlines etc., instead of complaining about kit and hotels - perhaps it is time to get back to the basics of concentrating on what happens on the pitch rather than looking for their stick deals off it.
As for Mr D. he should not be manager - if he is the Performance Director of the sport then he should do that job - who debriefs the women's management team after this event? He can't but that should be his job. He needs to decide: does he want to coach or be the director.
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Armband
08-26-2005 11:16 am
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Kelvinside
Does Mr Bean have his Level One Coaching Qualification? What are we waiting for. Get him and the boy from Toowoomba with the Scottish granny up here now!
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topper
08-27-2005 9:20 am
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not good enough
I think you should look at the difference between the mens and womens set up.All the men want to play and do what there coach tells them.An obvious statement for you all..... the womens team now is a much poorer team than 5 - 10 years ago.if you dont agree you know nothing about scottish hockey.how many of the present team would get in the team of ten years ago when the got into the top ten in the world.maybe two.look at the men know---- how many of the mens team of ten years ago would get inthe present team--- probably two.so the women are getting worse as a group and the men miles better.As for the comment about Valentine and Rochlin-- no surprise there that they talk about a coach behind there back.Not the first time for the later named player .
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Fed up
08-28-2005 11:45 am
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Rochlin
Rochlin is so arrogant it is unbelievable - she thinks she is alot better than she really is - need to get fitter and train harder before she could entertain a GB shirt.
Think the girls can improve - give Miss Hobley a chance -she is committed and working more hours than ever!
Good luck girls
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Disillusioned
08-28-2005 2:41 pm
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Re Morningside
Your reference to Performance Director should surely be prefaced by the word 'Under' since that has been the outcome for most squads since his arrival, probably from Toowoomba.
If he does have hidden talents, it's about time someone dug them up. It's costing a tidy sum for Scottish Hockey to get nowhere, unlike the globetrotter himself.
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Nostradamus
08-28-2005 3:42 pm
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Rochlin
GB shirt ? She would not get in the England team.
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topper
08-29-2005 4:27 am
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re fedup
got to agree about rochlin being not good enough.probably for scotland to .she is so unfit for an international player.maybe that should read EX international player...
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player also
08-29-2005 5:28 am
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AND WOULD U GET IN THE ENGLAND TEAM U TOOL?!NAME YOURSELF IF YOU HAVE SO MUCH OPINIONS ABOUT VALENTINE AND ROCHLIN OR ARE U CHICKEN POO?
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Sam
08-29-2005 8:18 am
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Watched the Europeans in Dublin. This was the first time I'd seen Scotland in a long time and I was very disappointed. I had expected a fitter much more skillful team and apart from one or two individuals that wasn't what was on display. Rather than flinging blame about wouldn't it be better to identify the problems and decide what can be done about them.
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Graham Smith Glasgow Uni
08-30-2005 3:41 am
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Firstly why does no one put there name down. If its your opinion then name yourself and stick by it. We're all entitled to one. I can appreciate that everyone has differing opinions but I beleive that hobley and deans should be left out the equation and the problem actually lies in grass roots hockey - or lack of it. I seem to remember that at my school boys were banned from playing hockey! How backward. We need to invest in younger players and get schools and clubs starting kids at younger ages.
With regards this free sandwhiches etc please remeber that the 'majority' of the senior players will have come through U16's U18's U21's where they have had to pay ridiculous amounts to represent there country so to have an all expenses paid trip might seem unreasonable but given the hundreds and thousands they've already spent to get there its not that wild an idea!
Also there is a generic problem with selection and it focuses far to much on national league 1. There are great players in all the leagues and they should all be given a chance. I have team mates in Regional 1 worthy of U21 selection but no look in at all and especially in our womens 1st team who play in National 2 now. There are actually girls who have been in regional institutes who chose to play for there uni and now have no look in. Had they played for a top league club then they would probably had less pitch time and more scotland selection. National League 1 tunnel vision needs to stop!
Also go to this address to see Emma Rochlin in action for GB - so she's already got her shirt http://www.fihockey.org/vsite/vcontent/page/custom/0,8510,1181-148855-166071-30242-122510-custom-item,00.html
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Sammy Sosa
08-30-2005 5:41 am
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Sam
Pretty good assessment and opinion about what needs to be done - the current squad is off the pace and doesnt really seem to either accept that and put the work in with the coach or perhaps thinks that just getting to play for their country is enough and maybe expects miracle results. Reckon that the players are capable of it but not sure if they have the attitude needed to put the work in and are prepared to listen to coach suggesting that they need to change to performn at European matches.
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Fan
08-30-2005 12:23 pm
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Deans
he must focus on what on earth it is he is supposed to be doing or go back to Oz and let them pay his huge salary.
Performance Director = what exactly??
The institute should also realise that making some of these younger players think that they are above everyone else is not the way to manage athletes.
The experienced,loyal, hardworking older players should be role models for some of the youngsters.
Increased funding and 'coaching' has resulted in what exactly?
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Slough
08-30-2005 12:27 pm
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Hobley
no experience to accept such a key role in Scottish hockey I'm afraid.
Brent Deans........sort it out Shu and stop being dictated to by people who quite frankly have not much of a clue. We have so many excellent home grown coaches why look abroad or elsewhere. What cant be taught to improve our coaches??
Scottish hockey, not english, welsh or australian. Will someone please focus on SCOTTISH hockey here and remember what we are doing?
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nah
08-30-2005 6:18 pm
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re Graham Smith Glasgow Uni
There is no way folk in regional leagues are paying a high enough standard to represent Scotland. There is too big a gap in the leagues, even between NL 1 and 2. Played in them both and Div 2 is WAY off the pace of DIV 2. Div 2 is the lowest the selectors should be looking.
And Emma R is the most over rated player in the league!
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Chappy, Harris Hockey
08-31-2005 6:36 am
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Snipers
I read with interest all the sniping going on, but i really don't know that much about the Scottish Ladies team so i don't know if it's justified or not. However, i've noticed that there aren't many suggestions as to who should take over from the current staff. It sounds like a lot of the people who have commented do know a lot about the team and the ladie's scene in general, so why aren't their any suggestions as to who should take over?
Perhaps if, instead of sitting at their computers spouting all kinds of negativity, these nameless people were to focus on the positives, and add useful suggestions on how to improve in the weaker areas, the team may improve. There's no point calling for heads if there is no one to replace them, and no proper thought out plan for improvement.
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Sweeper
08-31-2005 7:26 am
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Fan / Slough
Perhaps Brent has been focusing on the mens team ?
They seem to be performing reasobably well (ENG 2 - SCO 4 !!!)
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topper
08-31-2005 7:28 am
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Re nah
Not wrong about Rochlin.But if you ask her opinion she is one of the best in the league(stop laughing and read on) and also for Scotland.so whos opinion shall we take-- self praise is no praise.to many on this site think she is a poor player and unless i missed it i didnt see anyone singing her praises.might appear soon though and i wonder who will put it on.
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brent fan
08-31-2005 8:28 am
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support brent
hey your comments hear are a little off the mark. i can only assume that most of you are under 18 years old and asssume the game has nt evolved at all over the last 6 years.
i do. because i have been involved actively for the last 15 years.
thinks about it.
1990
2 water based pitches both the west coast
all national coaches volunteers
pay for all training/ gyms
devise your own programme
10 caps a year
2005
water based pitch in each region.
four full time coaches at u-21 and national team.
access to worldclass support services for the best boys and girls men and women.
half the team playing with over 75 caps
25- 30 caps a year
does this happen by accident ? no it is through both a effective shu and good staff with long term plans.
think about it.
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Armband
08-31-2005 8:35 am
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How many hours did you spend training in the last six months? Before you start slagging people off for their perceived lack of talent/fitness ask yourself, could I do better? Obviously the Scottish coaches don't think so or you would be in the team.
Three words for those posting anonymous character assasinations - weak and spineless.
PFH - sort it out.
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Socks
08-31-2005 11:22 am
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Opinions
Everybody may have a view on who is good or who isnt - ultimately the coach with or without management is responsible for selection and responsible for results. Selection is a matter of opinion based on how players perform in training and games and by the way 18 players have to be picked for a squad, reading from teh comments above it seems we would be lucky to pick even two players following some peoples informed and clearly objective views. It may be that there is not many really international players just now and maybe they need support to get there - like the men did over the last couple of years. Emma is clearly a good player and commited to hockey, she may not have many fans for her views but that should not stop seeing that she is one of the best players Scotland has available - quit the knocking and get behind those trying to make scotland better and putting efforts in.
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bored!!!
09-01-2005 6:00 am
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Nobody is saying that the seniors should not have an all expences paid trip but come on, would it kill them to make their own lunch, 22 lunches twice a week for about 4 months adds up to quite alot of lottery money that could have been put to better use. As for all the comments about, can the people making comments do any better, well no, we probably cant, which is why we dont go around thinking we are brilliant all the time but these players are Scotlands international representatives, not us, so yeah they should be fitter, work harder on skills etc, we dont have to. People want names named ok, Louise Munn! Who can say she did not deserve to be there? Vikkki Bunce, probably the best striker, apparently hardly got a game, why?
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09-01-2005 11:26 am
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How about broadening the participants in hockey? People talk about grass roots level hockey all the time. So okay lets look at it...PRIVATE SCHOOLS. How about getting some of it into the state schools. Or is that not rah rah rah jolly hockey sticks enough?
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Olive Oil
09-01-2005 3:35 pm
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Outside view
Saw recent europeans in Belfield. Scotland looked poor, fitness levels were not at the level of others and ireland playing poorly beat them 3-1. The conditioning levels looked considerably lower than those of the 21s that were in Dublin in 2004.
The team looked a little demoralised and had no cohesiveness or battling spirit which is typically a quality most scotland teams would have.
There was enough talent on view in last years 21s to suggest the future would be brighter assuming those players are brought through and supported.
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You wont know me anyway
09-01-2005 3:55 pm
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re bored
no silly! they mean give your name when posting, not name the players you want to abstract the michael out of or in your case praise. How novel.I applaud you. Bravo. Standing ovation. You rock.Lets give it some welly! Ha yeah.
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wicker
09-01-2005 6:04 pm
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re skank
Read the players profiles on the SHU website, not all that many went to private schools.
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tam
09-02-2005 6:26 am
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get a grip
A big problem is that there is too much hockey all year round . These athletes are being asked to peak for their clubs and thier countries. Have of these athletes come out of the U18 programme into the 21 's for Chile . Back for a poor National league programme - into the Commie Games squad and ......... They need to rest . Club v country now squad v squad. Who ever asks what the athletes need. Time to sit down and speak to all the coaches and players.
We are also developing a small group of coaches who are invloved in all the squads. What happens when the money runs out ? the volounteers will be long gone and we will be no better off. We need to educate all our coaches and not just the paid ones.
Brent Deans must decide quickly if he is the Director or the Alan Whicker of Scottish Hockey. He has done alot but he has lost his focus of late.
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Sandwiches
09-02-2005 7:41 am
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Calm yourself, was only a comment!
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upncoming
09-04-2005 10:10 am
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Recently moved to england had a match versus Irish side- Scottish hockey is a joke in these peoples eyes and I was embarrased to admit my nationality. The problem is that you all seem to think that is has been good in the past, or might be in the future- search your memories anyone who's ever played for a scottish team- did you EVER win a game?
The irish people i spoke to commented that scotland need to learn to walk before they can run. They watced the europeans and said- Trying to emmulate a european style of play when no players in the team are anywhere near up to the challenge can only result in disaster!!!!! My school 1st xi plays at a better level than the scottish national leagues best sides and the club county level (below national league) frankly puts them to shame. Know it's negative but to all scottish hockey wannabes take up volleyball or move to another country!!!!
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Speechless
09-05-2005 5:44 am
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You must be taking the p***. Please tell me that you are just coming on to stir it up. You haven't got a clue. Scotland, are they not a european nation therefore play european hockey. What do you and your Irish buddies think we should be doing, punt it up the pitch and hope for the best and not try and play some attractive hockey?
Also, bring on your 1st XI team I'm sure 1 of the national league teams would want a run around, being pre-season and all. You just have to look at the success that our club teams get in Europe, both in A division. And lastly why would we want to take up volleyball, when they don't even compete in the European c division and lose to team like the Faroe Islands.
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Scottish
09-06-2005 10:13 am
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Am I not right in thinking that although Grove by their very high standards had a poor Europeans they drew with the English Champions and were on top right until the end?! Am i also right in thinking that in pre-season last year a weakened Grove team defeated a strong Hightown team in Manchester two days on the trot?!! I think I am.
Grove should be playing in a British league to improve the standard of their players and therefore the subsequent Scottish team!
You may have more strength in depth in England but we have the quality and more potential to succeed, it will happen, be sure of that!
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Player
09-07-2005 11:41 am
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English Upncoming
You may have been a scot moving to England however you seem to have adopted the English attitude already.
So you think are girls are a laughing stock???????????
Well if thats the case they are a laughing stock that works hard to be the best, to go out and play their hardest and represent their country that they are proud off.
Ur obviously not proud to have been a Scot.
Remember Brave Heart????????????
These girls are fighters and guess what all I have to say is 'It takes some hearts to go out onto to the pitch against better nations and know that they'll be laughed at' and worst of all made a commentary out of on this website.
Ever watched Cool Runnings?????????? If not get urself to Blockbusters.
The Scots are on the up and I wish every girl in the team the best of the luck.
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observer
09-09-2005 10:23 am
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Are you on drugs!!! This scottish squad at present is the biggest bunch of under performers. Individually they are all very talented but let's remember that there is no I in team and hockey is afterall a team sport!!
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Outsider
09-19-2005 3:40 pm
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Egos
It would be nice if all Scottish athletes took a wee look at themselves in the mirror and revert back to the performances of twenty years ago - if you look back sport in not only Scotland but Great Britain has never been so bad. There are so many athletes in Scotland that reach a certain level to receive funding from either lottery/Scottish Institute then remain there for several years without the pressure to maintain high standards and as a result deliver poor results. Lottery funding has created complacent athletes rather than elite competitors - plug the money into facilities rather than individuals...it may give them the kick they need to pull out their finger.
There appears to be no driving force nor yearn to play for the team, only the individual -Scottish sport (not only hockey) is full of divas who refuse to play certain positions just because they don't fancy it and not because the team requires them too. I believe there's a few pedestals out there that need shaken up...it's about time Scottish Ladies Hockey gained some 'balls'!
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