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JJ
08-17-2005 7:20 am
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Dissappointing for the lads who missed out but they could all feature in China soon!
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Astonished
08-17-2005 9:17 am
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Cockram
Madness to leave him out. You will miss his flair.
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????
08-17-2005 11:28 am
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gleghorne over cockram?
not sure about this choice.
think both are talented but in my eyes timmy is a more complete player. but i suppose some players were always going to be disappointed. i'd be devastated.
what we reckon Timmy vrs gleggy vrs Maguire (hard 1st name) vrs gene?
suppose its a nice position for a coach, pity tho.
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ranj
08-17-2005 4:23 pm
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congrats to mark gleghorne on his selection
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No surprises
08-17-2005 5:07 pm
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Think this looks a sensible selection given what I saw at the matches against Germany. Maguire and Cockram didn't seem to perform as well as I have seen them in the past. I am sure they will come through in th future.
It might be wise to go with experience given the difficult task ahead.
Don't know which of the GKs I would pick - think they are much of a muchness.
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SURPRISES
08-18-2005 3:34 am
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i think this is a bad choice. as someone who has seen all at close range i believe that cockram is a much better player then gleggy, elliott and especially irwin
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Paddy
08-18-2005 3:37 am
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Mega surprised...
at the measured comments so far! How if this had been about the ladies team this message board would have been a war zone by now.
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???????
08-18-2005 5:53 am
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No Surprises!
Don't really matter whether you think cockram is the best player, he was not selected - the coach has made his choices after watching these guys closely over the last couple of months - obviously the players he has chosen have got what he reckons it will take to perform in the forthcoming tournament, so let's get behind the chosen squad and wish them all the best! Those not selected will definitely get their chance in the near future!
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outfield player
08-18-2005 8:11 am
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Tough for keepers
Its very hard on the goalkeepers to retain all three in the squad for another couple of weeks. They are all under a huge amount of pressure and perhaps this might even affect the way they perform in the next little while - surely the decision on which two are included could and should have been made at the same time as the rest of the selections. Not a keeper myself, but don't think its very fair to be treated in a different way to the others.
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Paddy
08-18-2005 9:24 am
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Mega Surprised
Your comments are spot on, you'll also notice how no one has come out with personal, vindictive comments ... yet!
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DR
08-18-2005 9:33 am
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Wrong choice! Elliot and Cleggy shouldnt really be going. Irwin picked on past reputation - not current form!
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Ricky
08-18-2005 9:38 am
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selection
Yeah I think that Cockers deserves to go. Over the past year he has come on so much as a player and made a real difference for Lisnnagarvey and Ireland in big games. Pity for him. I agree with previous comments that it was a tough call for Passmore but I woul dhave left Elliot out
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Mr Cautious
08-18-2005 1:21 pm
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I think we all have to be cautious judging players on their club form, especially as the season has long past. International hockey is a completely different game. Thought Cockram was excellent at the Cup final but haven't seen him since. I can't imagine anyone has seen Cockram in 'big games' as Ricky refers to as Ireland haven't played any yet!
Agree it must be hard on the keepers but someone said Nigel Henderson and Wesley Bateman have been injured so maybe that has something to do with it. No idea who I would pick.
Let's keep the good, logical discussion going and no personal comments.
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Harry
08-18-2005 3:50 pm
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shocked
timmy is an extremly complete player who should always have a spot on the irish squad
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Player
08-19-2005 6:34 am
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Keepers
Agree its hard on the goalies, Had heard Nigel Henderson has played the whole summer without injury. I gather that all three goalies are playing well. Might come down to what combination works best - experience v's youth etc. Experience will be key for the team in Rome.
Cockram very unlucky to lose out, would have him in the 16.
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possible answer??
08-19-2005 6:39 am
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Objective view??
passmore probably picked gleggy due to his flexibility at being able to play in any position across midfield and up front, whilst his fitness levels would be amongst the best in the whole squad. For a squad game, this is surely a more attractive option for a coach. Whilst i think Timmy is an excellent player, i don't think he has the same flexibility for positions which may be the only reason for him not being selected. At the end of the day which ever one of these 2 guys passmore selected, they would and will do Ireland proud. Best of luck guys!
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Keeper
08-19-2005 7:15 am
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Very cautious squad but given the required task, winning tournament, the experience will be vital. The keeperes are one in the same but I would have liked to see Lennox or Ruddle instead of the Hendersons.
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Striker
08-19-2005 8:50 am
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Get over it
I reckon Cockram has loads of time on his side and to go into a tournament like this your better with alot of experience, flair and toughness. You cannot carry anyone so thats why Passmore has gone for the more experience side. Cockram and Maguire's time will come
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fan
08-20-2005 7:43 am
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Re: Irwin Bashers
you need players like irwin in long tournaments such as rome...he has the stamina and experience to still be performing well right up until the last match of the tournament, which some of the younger players may not be able to do. i would have picked cockram over gleggy myself.
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Which Keepers
08-21-2005 7:47 am
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Nigel Henderson has to be kept, despite his injury ravaged body there is still no one in his class. Wesley Bateman and Charlie Henderson have always been overrated anyway. Maybe we should just accept that Mark Ruddle is better than both of them and make him the second keeper.
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BILL GATES
08-21-2005 8:30 am
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PASSMORE IS A TWAT. cockram is way better than cockram. passmore is to scared that timmy mite actually take a risc and run with the ball.....he jus wants a boring defensive forward. passmore cant handle flair players, cos he cant command them!
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hmmm
08-21-2005 4:17 pm
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re bill gates
i think your post does all the talking........
i feel for Cockram, he has worked his ass off and just missed out.
i would have picked him but i am not the man who knows best.
i do know that Timmy's time will come very very soon
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BILL GATES
08-21-2005 4:26 pm
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Excellent!
Well done - after all the healthy debate you have to be the one idiot who has to spoil this site. I would have picked Cockram (even though I've heard he is not firing on all cylinders) but I would have backed up my reasons with logical, correctly spelt arguments, not petty little pops that don't even makes sense (I quote 'Cockram is way better than Cockram'!!! At least get it right).
We all have differences in opinion but let's get behind the team, not embarrass ourselves on a worldwide website where you can hid behind your terribly 'unfunny' name.
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jim
08-22-2005 1:02 am
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ive never played hockey and im only 8 but i think its great news that geghorne got on.It gives me hope that if i take up hockey this season im in with a chance of getting on the senior squad by the end of September.
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not quite so illogical
08-22-2005 5:03 am
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cockram
Don't know if you'd seen his younger brother play but Cockram IS way better than cockram!!
JFK for goodness sake?!?
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GET REAL
08-22-2005 5:50 am
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Why Irwin
Irwin has nearly 70 caps and 25 goals! Outside of the corner takers (Sherriff & Butler) he is the top scorer for Ireland by a long way! He has more experience of big tournaments than anyone else in the squad and is in great physical shape! Defensively he is the best forward by a long long way!
I'm surprised his name even appears when we question the squad. To most people he is one of the first names on the list! Perhaps it is a jealousy thing but he has dealt with that for a long time and I'm sure he couldn't care less!
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on-looker
08-23-2005 9:01 am
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Well done to all the guys on their selection for Rome! Sure Passmore had some tough decisions to make, as from what I've seen all the squad have performed well in different games over the past few months. Gleggie has racked up his goal tally lately and is a versatile player who has performed well, so you can see why he was picked. I'm sure Timmy will get his chance soon. Unlucky to Phelie and Eugene- someone had to be left out, and at their age they have long international careers ahead of them so hope they're not too disappointed. As for Irwin,he's an experienced player who I believe has performed well in recent tests/competitions so I expected him to be a certain pick. From what I've seen of the Irish team they're a close squad who keep their spirits high and I hope they do their country proud in Rome by performing like we know they can! Bets of luck lads and to the management team.
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rome?
08-26-2005 9:07 am
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what are the dates for tounament in rome?
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dd
08-26-2005 12:38 pm
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gleggy v cockram
both should be going. cockram over elliot. i would personally pick gleghorne over cockram but elliot offers nothing
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Cockrams class
08-27-2005 12:11 pm
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Dodgy decision in my opinion... altho gleghorne is a class player i think cockram is older and also genrally a more reliable player to pick!!! i hope both player take the decision well and go on to be top players that theyve worked hard to be come!
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surprised
08-27-2005 9:28 pm
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Gleggy over cockram??? would have gone for cockram but they are definitely both better than maguire, how he was even in contention surprises me. he is FAR too overrated.
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Anonymouse
08-29-2005 7:05 am
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Ulsterboys
Would all you Ulster boys stop this debate of gleggy over cockram bla bla bla. Who should be on, who should be off. Its embarrassing to say the least. Every bit of stirring on this website comes from Ulster. You seriously live with chips on your shoulders??? Yourselves and the Indians on this site should get together and form a moaning society. Massage each others ego's and share armchair coaching notes. YOU REALLY DONT HAVE A CLUE.
After reading the crap above, Im proud not to be an Ulsterman. No offence to the genuine hockey loving, literate and intelligent Ulster people that are out there. Im proud to be Irish and proud to support this Irish team. Could you please do the same (i.e. support the TEAM?)
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really...
08-29-2005 10:58 am
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Anonymouse
Please stop bringing this site down with comments like that mate. You are purposely trying to create havoc on this site by bring up the whole Ulster / Irish debate again. Wise up. We have been here before, don't need it again. It is after reading your comments that I am not proud to be from Ireland. Stop letting your country down please.
Healthy debating mate, not moaning - there is a difference that your small mind can't comprehend...
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Anonymouse
09-01-2005 10:15 am
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really.....
Jeez, if you honestly think that stating the obvious is creating havoc then fair play to ya...I just think that there are some Ulster players/supporters/whoever who waste time debating whether one of their darling players is better than the other. Quite frankly I think that the argument is a waste of space. I have many Ulster friends who are always saying that they are embarassed about some of the comments that they fellow provincials make. I AM NOT SAYING THAT EVERY ULSTERMAN?WOMAN IS LIKE THAT (see my comments in my oiriginal message)
You say we have been there before but NEWSFLASH Nothing has changed!!! I only see people complaining about Passmores selection decisions on ULSTER players. What about the number of players from other provinces that didnt make it...
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curious
09-01-2005 6:14 pm
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like who? what players from the other provinces would you have put in ahead of the current team?
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curious
09-02-2005 8:32 am
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Like who? What other players would you have there?
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bored
09-02-2005 12:32 pm
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i totally agree with you anonymouse this site has turned into a joke, maguire has not been mentioned once for unluckily missing out on selection but of the previous 34 posts regarding this topic a staggering 23 odd has been bout the two nordy guys grow up and accept passmores decision, i think the best squad was chosen end of story
BEST OF LUCK IN EUROPE GUYS DO US PROUD!!!!!
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ha
09-03-2005 9:16 pm
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what do you mean maguire was unlucky. He ISN'T good enough. He is far too overrated.
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Me Myself - An Ulsterman
09-04-2005 2:20 pm
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Wise Up
Guys,
I agree with Anonymouse. There is too much bickering over who's going where, and when. I think we have to look to the fact that these guiy's aren't "overrated". I mean, compare them to somebody who's "just" playing Premier League hockey in Ulster, regardless of whether their from Ulster, Leinster or Munster. Players competing for a spot in the Irish Senior Mens' side clearly are good enough to be there. It just happens that when it boils down to it, Passmore has had to choose one player instead of another. There could be many reasons for it, that we don't know. Maybe he knows HIS squad better than we think we know.
I know myself how disappointing it is not to be picked by international sides, having played for Ulster myself. I'd love to count myself as an Irish player, but i'm just not good enough when compared to other players in my position. But that doesn't mean i'm crap - it's the same with these guys, just because they don't get an international cap doesn't mean their a skilled player.
Think about it, if it was a choice between the players who didn't get picked, and YOU, who would be first?
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