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August 9, 2005
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THE Hockeyroos' long road to the 2008 Beijing Olympics ? with stopovers in Canberra, Melbourne and India along the way ? begins in Adelaide tomorrow.
For two Olympics, the Hockeyroos were one of Australia's most bankable gold medal units, but the national women's hockey team fell steeply to fifth in Athens last year, a result that deeply disappointed players, fans and administrators.
Coach David Bell was replaced by Frank Murray, a former Kookaburras coach who had also been Ric Charlesworth's assistant during the team's gold-winning campaign in Sydney in 2000.
Murray's first assignment was the Champions Trophy in Argentina late last year, where the Hockeyroos finished fourth.
Now the arrival of the Korean national team for a six-Test series will provide Murray with a gilt-edged opportunity to find out which players will be capable of lifting the Hockeyroos back to their old position of prominence.
Three Australia squad members ? Hayley Phipps, DeAnne Gilbert and Sian Smithson ? will make their first appearances for Australia.
Murray said he would rotate his squad across the series.
"All players in both squads will get an opportunity over the six games, some of the more senior girls who played in Athens in the first three Tests and then some of the Junior World Cup girls," he said.
"From this Test series, the Junior World Cup and the Indira Ghandi International in India, we will be looking to choose a squad to take us through the Champions Trophy, Commonwealth Games and World Cup next year."
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Korea is ranked seventh in the world, four rungs below Australia, but Murray said there was little between the teams.
"There are currently five teams ? England, New Zealand, Australia, Korea and Japan ? that are around the same level, skill-wise. This series will be a very even contest," he said.
Australia's squad is marginally more experienced than Korea's, which includes six uncapped players.
The first three matches of the series will be played in Adelaide tomorrow, Friday and Sunday before the teams move on to Queensland for games in Brisbane, Ipswich and the Gold Coast.
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Question
08-12-2005 4:14 am
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Champions trophy
Didn't Bell still coach the team at the Champions Trophy in argentina. I thought that Murray took over this year??
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Interested
08-13-2005 12:32 am
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Yes David Bell did coach the girls at the CT - it was his last tournament (I think) and you are right again that Frank started in the role this year.
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limewire
08-13-2005 9:41 pm
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hockeyroos won the first two. looking forward to the SE Qld games.
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interested
08-14-2005 11:45 pm
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pleased
Good on the Aussie girls well done. Especially well done to the 2 Sth Aussie girls, Donna played very well and Gilbert looks a chance to perhaps jump the line into the Aussie side. What has turned these girls around, in particular Gilbert who was floundering a little over 12 months ago. Was it the improved performance of the Suns in the AHL, a pity they won't be there next year; their coach did a good job with a limited ability group.
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surprised
08-15-2005 5:40 pm
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re interested
I agree that the Suns coach did a good job with his team, they have really showed development in the past 2 years, playing an aggressive style of game. I have also heard that SA will not be entering teams into the AHL, what is going on?
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Truth
08-16-2005 2:50 am
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re Interested
Agreed both girls played well and the Suns coach did well with limited talent and many egos. South Australia has a lot more potential within its state but unfortunately a few too many egos in the Suns means that people refuse to trial and play with them. There are at least four or five people who would easily command a starting position in the Suns but dont put their hand up to even be in the squad because of a few who think they 'rule' the team and try to make all of the decisions. The sooner a few of those egos (and their parents!) realised they are no longer making Aussie squads and never will again as they are unfit, overweight (in at least one persons case), and not talented enough then the better South Australian hockey will be. here are some talented members coming through the club system and hopefully things will improve before they are lost to the Suns also. Gilbert has been lucky enough to realise she needs to work harder and to be remotivated to do so thanks to some wonderful support from her club coach and teammates, she finally is getting the rewards she deserves.
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Sweeper
08-16-2005 5:47 am
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This isnt the first time this would have happened.
SA have for quite a few years now really struggled financially to send 2 x AHL teams away.
Going back about 3-4 years ago they withdrew their teams from the AHL without even telling the players !! The Players found out through an external source.
There was also a change in the coaching staff going back a few years ago, both with the NTC Coach and the AHL coaches and it has made a difference.
There is alot of talented players in SA but unfortunately the Board, Administration and Club Competition Structure really prevent these players from being the best they could be, especially when compared to the other more successfull states with similar numbers.
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Truth
08-16-2005 6:24 pm
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You have nailed it with your comments about egos and their parents.
I spent some time playing in the Premier League Comp in SA and was just amazed at the poor culture of Hockey over there.
You are quite right again by saying that the good players wont play AHL for SA due to there being so many political influences, coupled with the fact that it costs them so much money to go away and play - why would they bother !!
Certain families who use to coach the team were never successfull at that level anyhow, but just thought they were. They were also coaching make sure their kids got selected - however when they were competiting against other states it was really obvious that they were way out of their depth, but still they play !!
From what I can see the men have made good ground aswell with guys like Cleghorn, Reese in Junior team and of course Schubert in the Senior one, its the most SA have had in National squads for quite a while.
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08-16-2005 7:56 pm
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re Truth and Sweeper
You make some valid points, even those without egos have egos! It is a pity that those without egos put themselves before their State and if they were so good and capable of being starting players just imagine how good the Suns might have been. For the record the Suns did not focus on a starting 11 in in 04 and 05, rather the focus was on selecting players who could play at any time and the playing time was shared amongst the entire group...perhaps not evenly. The Suns unlike some teams played all of its players and as a result perhaps created some depth and maybe at times did not have the 'best' team on the pitch. You can only make changes if you are involved and if you choose not to because of your perceptions then you can only complain.
The Suns were fitter this year than they have been for years and yes there were individuals within the group that were overweight and opinionated, however they were all that was available.
Hockey SA will once again withdraw the teams without telling the players, but unlike 4 years ago the teams will stay withdrawn. They do not even have a coach for the Suns and have let a good one go without a fight.
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Insider
08-16-2005 10:47 pm
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What a load of garbage from you two. How about you stop hiding behind an alias, admit your bias and name those people you acuse of having the egos?
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Truth
08-17-2005 12:15 am
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re interested
You are right also, I agree a great coach has been let go. Doug was superb and did his best with what was available. Unfortunately for him previous coaches and administration had let the team down and people no longer were prepared to be a part of that. For his good, and the good of the suns, he needed to be a bit firmer with one or two players and the system would have been knocked on its head and seen more people willing to be involved.
Yes they were fitter but still not fit enough. They did not start training early enough, had a decent break over christmas, and did not commit themselves 100% to the cause. That is not acceptable for an Open State Team.
You are again correct, the guys are doing wonderfully and Bob Haigh has done a wonderful job.
Hopefully a year off for the Suns will mean those older stayers who need to leave do and the juniors coming through can come through and take over upon the return. Most dissapointing for the Boys who are doing well currently and deserve to still be in the competition.
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amazed
08-18-2005 2:19 am
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What is 100% commited? Doing what you say you are going to do and if that is the case the Suns were 100% commited; not to mention their beep test score average was just below the National squad average. While mentioning efforts what about the pathetic effort to train put on by the U21 Women this year, and they paid for it!
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Truth
08-18-2005 8:05 pm
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You are exactly right re the U21's they were pathetic and many of them did Suns and that is the culture they have had bred to them. The likes of Marles, Cibich, and others who have been in the Suns for a while think they can call the shots and not train 100%, unfortunately that gets picked up on and now we see the filtering through the U21's thanks to the likes of Colerio, Shakes and others who think that is acceptable. Unfortunately all this has done is made more and more people realise they dont want to be involved with that. When players got injured they asked some of the up-and-coming juniors to fill the spots but they declined because they didnt want to spend time with those people, SMART decision! Beep test average was good you are correct but the dedication to learning and improving skills, to following a team plan set out by the coach and willingness to become better team members was poor and the team (and in turn SA Hockey) suffered because of this.
Hopefully the U21 experience (crappy finishes and not making Rep teams) serves as a wake up call for some of the egos because the likes of Gilbert, Evans, Murdoch, Pisani etc are coming through and need something positive to work towards.
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hang on
08-19-2005 12:10 am
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Interesting comments..................are you an ex SA Junior 'Captain' and if so answer this question...............why are so few of the team that won the U21 Nationals in 2001 either still playing or playing AHL? They should be and the Suns perhaps would be more successful than they have been. Cultural change will occur when people get off their backsides, rather than sniping behind the scenes.
Gilbert has been coming through for years and is a chronic non trainer and excuse maker so don't hold her up as a positive example; better examples are Little, Crook and Webster.
There is very little coming through and now due to the inept management of hockey in SA there is nothing for them to go through to, our better players will now attempt to play interstate. Not to mention there is no-one to coach the non existent Suns team. as the best coach for the job is now gone.
The coach of the 2005 U21's is to blame for their poor training record and the players were merely contributors.
Women's hockey in SA unfortunately is almost a corpse and yet it is only 5 years ago that we had 5 members in the Senior national squad.
The underliying problem is the parochial nature of the club system.
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Spectator in 1995
08-19-2005 3:06 am
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This year marks the 10th anniversary of the mighty Diet Coke Suns winning the national league. Their success was built on strong leadership both on and off the field, bloody hard work (i wasn't good enough to cut it) and a belief that anything was possible if you gave it a go. It seems a shame that SA hockey is in such a mess when there are so many experienced ex-internationals, good coaches and talented young players in the state.
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08-19-2005 4:55 am
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Your comment about "" The underliying problem is the parochial nature of the club system"" is absolutely spot on.
Having been in the club system over there for 3 years, I was amazed that there are so many issues that face Hockey in SA.
The recent National Census from HA shows SA Hockey as Having 21,000 participating players - whilst another state such as WA has 22,000 playing members. The difference in the results between the 2 states at National level (men and women)is poles apart.
The Suns may have been fitter this year - for the Suns, but compared to the other states they were still not fit or strong enough, they also had some of the fattest players of all the teams competiting. (its probably not a nice thing to sayd, but its been said before)
Alot of this is contrbuted to the unprofessional manner in which the club system is allowed to run.
I would be very interested to hear more of your thoughts on the parochial nature of the clubs as I also believe this is a very large part of the problem.
Going back a few years ago - I could name a long list of players, very good players, who came accross to the AIS and alot of them returned not being able to cope.
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Paid up proudly
08-20-2005 1:50 pm
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SA AHL
So are you going to sit back and just have a whinge? I suspect you weren't good enough yourself and are happy to sit back behind your alias and have a crack. You have very little positive to say, and your comments hold little weight in this forum. On a positive note I will go into bat for Bob Haigh - doing tremendous job with little support.
"The underliying problem is the parochial nature of the club system" - What a ridiculous statement. The strength and parochial nature of the club cultures do nothing but promote rivalry - do you honestly believe this is a bad thing? Get a life.
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Truth
08-21-2005 8:10 pm
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Wrong person as I am actually a guy who plays Hockey in SA (only at club level now days though). Nice try but sorry don't be blaming anyone from the U21 National team for no longer playing as I know a few of them well and their reasons for no longer playing are well founded. And in regards to the 'captains' that were around during those Junior years you will find they were involved with successful State teams so clearly them and the teams at that time, had the right idea, way more so than the current leadership groups clearly do. They all provided great service to the State and hockey as a whole and they were successful because no one was allowed to view themselves as a superstar. Yes they had one or two in Suns at the time but those players were not in their top five come tournament time. Instead everyone gave a solid contrbution, played well and trained hard for the team in the lead up. It was a great thing to be around at the time and see those girls succeed because we used to train at the same time and they were a fun group.
Many of them do not even play club hockey any more either. Each have various reasons, some relating to work and study commitments, travel commitments and also the underlying problems that were occuring with the Suns at that time with the coach back then lead them to grow disgruntled with the system and once you leave the State team culture it is actualy harder to get back into because time away makes you realise you can do other things with your time and enjoy other aspects of life and it is then harder to go back into the training and time required.
Secondly you say people are griping behind the scenes, what you will find is the majority of the griping is done by Suns players about each other and the coach and everyone else in SA doesnt give two-hoots about it. They are constantly having a gripe about others within the system doing the wrong thing and if you take a step back you will relaise that the girls who could/should be playing Suns but dont actually dont even think about it, talk about it, gripe about it, or really care about it so they dont have to get off 'their backsides' and support it as you say. They have done the right thing and stepped away, decided for whatever reason they dont want to be a part of it and until HSA changes their ways and the Suns lose the egos many people will stay away. From watching the local Games I think Adelaide, North East, Grange, Burnside all have one or two players each who would push for starting 11 spots in the Suns but dont want to play for various reasons, maybe something HSA and even HA need to address.
Yes Gilbert used to be a poor trainer and full of excuses but she now has improved and is making it within the Australian system so dont try and knock her. It could have taken longer than expected but hey dont get your tall poppy syndrome going because you or your daughter no longer succeed. All the others also are impressive trainers and have been the whole time but aren't up to Suns standard so I did not mention them as going to be disadvantaged when there is not a Suns Team.
Once again yes great coach gone missing, but part of that reason is he got no support from those within the system both in his team and at HSA. You will find some of the egos in the team were known for underminding his system to do better themselves and what they now have is no team and no coach so maybe they should look within themselves.
SO 'Hang On' i get the feeling from your comments you may be either involved in the Suns quite heavily (no pun intended as i feel you are one i may have mentioned was overweight with a big ego to go with it!) or you are a family member of one of those people, so dont try and blame the parochial nature of the club system without taking a good look at yourself! As you can see by the response your parochial comment didnt go down so well. Yes HSA needs to look at its umpiring standards, scheduling, permit rules and i could go on and on and on! But i think that is a whole different topic.
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08-21-2005 8:36 pm
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re paid up proudly
I will sit comfortably behind my alias because I have done plenty for hockey in SA, however you can enjoy sitting behind your alias if you like as well!
I agree that Bob Haigh has done an excellent job and yes with very little suppport. HA has decided that we only need one NTC coach here, when we actually need two.
Parochialsim does promote rivalry which is a good thing..as you say; so perhaps I did not explain myself well. Our club system in SA generally is a system that only looks after itself and does not have the bigger picture of hockey in this state in mind. A sharing of resources and knowledge might lead to a brighter future for SA hockey.
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go gilbert
08-21-2005 11:29 pm
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My mail is Gilbert has a lot to thank her ex suns coach for. Looks like she might go on with things.
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Club Proud
08-21-2005 11:41 pm
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Goes to Show
Im sorry but i just had to post this.
But the Suns had the best coach SA hockey has produced in years, in Trevor Cibich, and due to egos trying to be straightened he bent a few noses of those players and true to form they didnt produce. That is the culture in this state. When its reasonable players, who think they are better than what they are, are told the truth and they whinge, moan and complain instead of sitting down with the coach and working on how to improve there own game.
It also comes down to the mindset of the players that make these state teams. They think that making it in the team is the pinnacle instead of working hard as a state team to prove themselves at the next level. I have been in state teams where training is appauling and nothing is done about it. This also comes down to the quality of coach. The hardest training sessions i get are from club trainings and this has showed over the past 15 years by how many premierships the club has won and by how many international players we have produced.
Those who doubt TC's coaching record should refer to the last 15 years at premier league with the men and the women for Port Adelaide. I doubt to many would even get close to his record.
He also took the Mens NHL team to it's highest placing of 3rd in the late 90's.
The whole structure of the way the association runs our great game in this state is wrong. They are to reliant on players forking out money instead of heading outside hockey circles to get sponsorship.
They also got rid of the best CEO they had in years, Dennis Meredith, who finally brought money into the Hockey SA. He told some home truths about the way things had to be done to the board and they got rid of him unfairly.
There are many issues with hockey in SA that need repairing. But untill every Premier league club has a "Playable Pitch" and we get back to premier league games being played on saturdays, we dont have a descent product to sell.
Seriously. When a player has to pay to get into the pines and then pay to play is rediculous. That goes to prove where HockeySA's mindset is.
Mate, If your not going to use names then dont post. It just makes your acusations laughable and sounding like player that thought they were better than what they were and was told so.
Build a bridge and get over it!
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Truth
08-22-2005 6:11 pm
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Club Proud
I must say you have made some great points. I dont agree with the comments re TC and the Suns because I think he failed with the communication needed and lack of bias needed to make the transition from a Club coach to a State Coach. Having said that though he has a remarkable record at club level and that should not be under-estimated. Even as a member of a guys team who enjoys a fierce rvalry with Port I can see the success he has had in the women's and now has in the men's, Port guys are back to their best with him in charge.
Your comments regarding the players mindset are exactly right and this coupled with the problems within HSA itself and the lack of leadership from any CEO since Dennis left have lead to what has happened and unfortunately Hockey in SA is in a bad bad way.
Each team does need a playable pitch but this might not be possible due to funding so HSA need to schedule games more appropriately so that teams who play on the neutral field of the Pines can have 'club days' there. Supportors may pay the money to go to the Pines if they could watch more than one of their teams. Or Grange has 'club days' at Port and Burnside should be given 'club days' at Adelaide so people can start coming to watch. But totally agree paying to enter the Pines and then also to play is a joke.
To go gilbert: I think she has a lot to thank her current club coach and Bob Haigh who bth seemed to snap her out of her 'lack of effort' phase, not sure TC can take praise for that as she really has only improved since he left the Suns and Port women. But he did develop her through quite a few years, I think the other two just gave her the extra kick she needed.
I think this forum is good for airing views and seeing other points of view. Clearly 'Club Proud' is a Port player (possibly even a TC family member) and whilst I am not a Port player and don't often agree with them you have brought up some good points on TC that often get missed, thanks for passing those on.
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facts
08-22-2005 7:13 pm
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TC's record at club level is exemplary. it needs also to be remebered that he coached mens hockey for many years prior to his involvement with women's hockey and he really only got involved because of his daughters.
He DID NOT take the Hot Shots to their highest ever finish of 3rd in the late 90's, his brother Barry did and that was 1995.
Port Adelaide has certainly produced numerous Aussie reps, Victory and now Gilbert recently. Woodville could perhaps share in the reflected glow of Gilbert's recent achievements as she played there when Port (and TC) did not want her.
I agree with Truth in that TC was unable to make the transition from club to state coaching because of his nepotism. Look at 2000 when the Suns had 5 members in the senior national squad and struugled to avoid finishing last.
On the issue of paying for things..........all states and territories now pay levies, they may in some cases be far less than SA levies; but they do pay. The flaw here is that HSA do not have a corporate sponsor and do not appear to be doing anything about getting one. The reality is that without sponsorship the players will have to pay if they want to be involved. What is missed is that by virtue of paying, the players are owed something..................quality coaching and services which they currently rarely get; there appears to be no level of accountability for state coaches.
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Club Proud
08-23-2005 6:41 pm
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TC
Just letting you both know, i am not a relative of TC. I am associated with Port Adelaide. You want to know why his success with coaching the Pies is better than at state level. The players at Port have 10x more respect for him as he is a past player, 5x west end medalist and MULTIPLE premiership player during the glory days of SA Hockey. If only state players had this respect for coaches coaching at state level.
I would take TC as a coach over any other coach any time over the 15 years of my career, Bob Haigh included. Yes i have been coached by Bob during my time and i have found TC a far better coach in many ways. I may be bias but my own premiership tally is due to TC.
But yet again Hockey SA's ability to run a raffle is being question. A Magpie player recieved a red card against the Bulldogs two weeks ago. Purely due to the complete lack of organisation from Hockey SA the commisioner threw the charge out. A bonus for us but still there needs to be some mirrors placed around Hockey SA offices!
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Truth
08-24-2005 6:56 pm
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You are one of the lucky ones who got to see the best of TC and in all honesty that is a privilige. You are right players at State level need to give the coaches more respect, and I think the coaches need to realise it is different to club and try and be unbiased, so I guess i am just saying it is a two way thing. I think TC had he been able to adapt a bit better to State Coaching then SA would have reaped more benefits than they did, AND the players need to have more respect.
Funny how the one thing that everyone on thischat agrees about is that HSA are in trouble! They constantly stuff things up in all areas, Schedules, permits, cards, finals ......... and the list goes on!
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fox hunter
08-28-2005 5:47 pm
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poachers
Pt Adelaide and TC have something in common, they are poachers. Gone are the days when the mighty Maggies were renowned for the development of talent. For 30 years when they have needed a player or players they have poached to the detriment of their youngsters.
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Club Proad
08-29-2005 3:51 am
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Poachers??? Are you serious!
There is not one player that has been made to come to Port adelaide. We dont pay players in any way. All players that have come to Port Adelaide have done so to improve there hockey and to feel success and have done so. And the juniors havent suffered one bit. Craig Victory and Dee Gilbert both came through Ports juniors and look where they are both sitting today. Maybe look at what Port Adelaide, the club, and what it offers compared to your more "Wealthier" clubs. eg. International standard Pitch and have done so for nearly 20 years. Exceptional coaching at both Junior and Senior level. Numerous Premierships and if you dare to walk into the Magpie club rooms not only do you see the premiership history by all the premiership flags and photos hanging around the club rooms but it doesnt matter whether you play Div 6, Div 1 or your a junior everyone mixes with everyone. It's being proud of your club which builds success, not poaching or paying players.
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09-01-2005 12:34 am
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I thought that Hockey WA was the only ones, well it seems you lot are worse. You must spend hours on the computer, not got much else to do. Shame you will not have teams in the NHL, hockey in Australia needs good players for the future, what ever state they come from.
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Sweeper
09-06-2005 7:36 pm
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Womens AHL
So now that SA will be holding the Women's AHL Finals - does this mean that SA will now be putting in a team ?
Will the men still not play - or has all of this now been resolved ?
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barbie
09-07-2005 12:21 am
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womens ahl
SA couldn't run a barbie, let alone run the ahl final's week. Will the Suns be in...........no advertisement to replace the top coach they let go without a fight, no notification of intent or whatever to players, despite being only 2 weeks from the end of the season, no selectors viewing potential candidates. I would say NO AHL team and if there is one it will be a poorly run joke. Bakurski and Allen were set to return but not now.
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Sweeper
09-07-2005 11:48 pm
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Women's AHL
So why would SA Hockey write up an expression of interest to hold the finals if they had no intention of putting in a Women's Team ?
Now, I agree that Hockey is Fairly poorly run in SA accross all areas, but there is still time for them to pull this all together.
None of the other states have started training or the likes as yet either, but if thy move quickly it can all still happen.
Maybe these details are not common knowledge as yet ?
With it being in their home state - surely they cant get that much wrong ???
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09-08-2005 10:20 pm
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Actually sweeper you are wrong, a number of other states and territories have announced their coaches, squads or called for nominations. Where wil HSA find the $60,000 it needs to field a women's AHL team? Perhaps the players can each pay a levy of $3-4,000!
For some states AHL is too expensive.
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Sweeper
09-12-2005 2:31 am
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Telling someone they are wrong - they are strong words.
Look I understand that AHL is to expensive - it is for alot of states, our players have to pay their own way every year aswell, they are not subsidised by the Association.
In addition, I have just seen the fixtures for next years AHL and SA are included in both the mens and womens scheduling, with Hobart for the Mens final and SA for the womens.
I am not meaning to second guess you here, but are you sure your information is up to date ?
Maybe the Finals are in SA so that the Womens team can compete - Adelaide is alot cheaper for teams to go to than some of the other states.
AHL does not start till after the Commonwealth Games, so if SA really wanted to put a team in they would still have the chance to.
It would be such a shame for SA to host the finals and have no team in the competition - that just dosnt make sense ?
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barbie
09-12-2005 8:40 pm
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sweeper
I hope that I am proven wrong, but no sign of movement yet; except for discussions with a possible coach. This does not resolve the issue of funding.
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Club Proud
09-19-2005 6:17 pm
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I thought i would just come back an let you all know, if you didnt already. That the ex suns coach TC, which you all seemed to be sledging anonymously earlier, won another Premier League Premiership on the weekend. That makes...well just to many to count.
Easily the best coach this state has seen bar none.
And it just goes to show the respect the association shows to the Port Adelaide Hockey Club when our team went from 5th and outside the finals to only losing 2 games and finishing minor premiers and TC doesnt get coach of the year! Apparently going from 8th to 6th and only JUST missing the finals is a far better achievement.
Also only losing the 2 games and smashing more than 100+ goals for the season and only having one player in the Team of the year....good judges!
But as we said saturday night after ANOTHER premiership who needs awards when we keep winning premierships!
Cheer Cheer the Black and the White
Honour the Magpies day and by night
Lift that royal banner high
shake down the thunder from the sky
whether the odds be great or be small
we'll come out and win over all
while our players keep on fighting
onwards to victory!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is all!
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joker
09-20-2005 5:28 pm
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club proud
In a word, wanker.........................TC and Port are merely goldfish and kings of the tiniest kingdom. TC only takes, as an actor once said, "show me the money".
ps................he did nothing with the Suns and struggled to avoid last place when he had 6 Australian players!
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Stalwart
09-22-2005 5:24 am
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Joker - I think I know who you are, and have no problem with your alias - build a bridge and get over it (although I might suggest you shorten your name by removing the "r"). TC has achieved more in his career than most, and to suggest it was about money is contemptous - as we know there ain't huge dollars to be gained from the sport - it's about giving something back to SA Hockey - a shame some ego's couldn't see past their own little goldfish bowl to improve their own game by being team players.
Still, even Mother Theresa had her critics.
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Confused
09-24-2005 1:39 am
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Who were the 6 Australian players at the time TC Coached?
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Facts
09-24-2005 1:47 am
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Under TC the Suns never finished last.
in 2000 the Suns only ever had 4 Australian Players in Peek, Haslam, Sowry and Allen. Sowry didn't make any Olympic Team and at this stage. Haslam held TC in high regard as a coach, not a bad recommendation ???
Where are you getting your facts Mr Joker?
When Nairn took over in 2004 Suns finished 6th, in 2005 they finished 4th - this was also at the time when there was a demise in the standard of Australian Hockey after the retirement of so many after Athens!
Where is the improvement?!!!!
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Joker
09-25-2005 8:29 pm
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Confused facts
You are forgetting Bakurski and junior Australian players Marles and Patrick. Both Marles and Patrick went on to play at the 2001 JWC and Patrick went on to play senior hockey for Australia.
No one is saying Nairn did a good job either, so build a bridge!
ps the Suns have never finished last so what a stupid statement, 7th though in 2000!
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Suns Fan
09-26-2005 5:04 am
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Actually we did finish last in 2001, when NT beat us 1-0 on the final day. TC was the coach and there was alot of dessension within the ranks that year.
The year after thou we play in the semi finals (finishing 4th) which were held in SA.
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Mere Supporter
09-26-2005 5:06 am
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Mr Joker
Mr Joker, in 2003 Hockey SA withdrew the Suns and Hotshots from the AHL stating cost as a main factor.
I was at the meeting where Cibich in his liaison with Haslam held a meeting where the media attended and where his number one priority was to see South Australia stay involved in the AHL.
Both Haigh and Cibich were not renumerated for any expenses that year as part of the financial arrangements that saw the Suns and hotshots reinstated into the 2003 AHL season.
Show me WHAT money?????????
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Stalwart
09-26-2005 8:25 am
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Healthy discussion
Interesting argument this. Disagree with your point on including Marles & Patrick as at the time they were Australian Juniors only - still a very big difference between JWC & Senior international Hockey.
Who would be the best candidates for the currently vacant job in your opinion Joker?
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Joker
09-26-2005 7:24 pm
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Best candidates:
Lamprey, Haslam, Peek, Tim White. Lamprey has worked as assistant to Nairn for the past 2 years, has great ideas and is a hockey thinker, she is a strong person and has the respect of the players. Haslam and Peek probably wouldn't do it. Tim White has done a good job with Adelaide, especially this year considering he lost so many players; he is a coach with a proven record at club level. Perhaps even Barry Vohland, he is well respected in some areas of Queensland.
Fair call on Marles and Patrick, though I think if about 1/3 of your squad plays for Australia and you are supposedly well coached, then 7th on the ladder is pretty low.
To Mere Supporter, I think your facts may be incorrect.........the Adelaide Bank stepped in and 'saved' the Suns by sponsoring them and it wasn't 2003. Cibich was remunerated..............his daughters DID NOT pay to play, unlike the others.
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Postie
09-26-2005 7:54 pm
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Joker.
How do you know that Nairn isn't coaching this year? Why isn't he?
I think you should coach the Suns. You seem to think you know what you are talking about and as you think Cibich and Nairn did such a terrible job, why don't you try and do a better one.
Good luck.
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Joker
09-26-2005 8:54 pm
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Both Cibich and Nairn did okay, they both made the 4 on one occasion, the more notable effort was by Nairn with a very young team. Cibich did an okay job but was plagued by accusations of nepotism.
My info is that Nairn's appointment was for 2 years and that nobody from Hockey SA has spoken with him since returning in April.
Both of these guys have coached for years at club and state level (Cibich since the mid 70's). Cibich has an exemplary club coaching record and Nairn's is good, Nairn has an exemplary state coaching record with 6 top 4 finishes in 10 years.
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First time to forum
09-26-2005 11:54 pm
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Ahl Coaches
I have heard along the hockey grapevine that Cibich has been approached to do the Suns again.
Also that Haigh will coach the men again, although his preference is to do the women and get Cibich to do the men.
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Facts
09-27-2005 5:29 am
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Your information is incorrect.
In 2001, in Brisbane, SA beat NT 1-0 and it was the year that Haslam announced her retirement. The game was on Foxtel, Doyle got the goal.
To Joker,
Your facts are also incorrect. Adelaide Bank sponsored in year 2000 and 2001. From 2002 onwards there has been NO major sponsor.
I will check out my sources whether or not the Cibich girls paid in 2003, as you say they didn't. However, I am sure they did as literally there was ABSOLUTELY NO money available for anyone. SASI renumerated all Australian players. (Bakurski, Patrik, Victory)
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