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JOSE
08-08-2005 12:32 am
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How did Mantell play for both sides? English dad, Scottish mum maybe?
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error
08-08-2005 5:02 am
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ah, so i see mantell was swapping sides in this encounter
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Coach
08-08-2005 6:30 am
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Hype
With all the hype on this site telling everyone that Leeboy has the best possible squad, who would have thought that only a 2 & a single goal difference would speperate these two team. Just maybe Lee needs players who can score from open play on a more regular basis.
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fan
08-08-2005 12:12 pm
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could not agree with you more coach. just hope jonty clarke and barry middleton are on song in europe. These two are our only hope in open play. too much emphasis on penalty corner specialists. maybe we should consider better defenders?
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go on then
08-08-2005 2:54 pm
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seeing as coach and fan appear to have all the answers.....maybe they could enlighten us all on who the players are who would score more open play goals, or are better defnders than the ones who have been picked
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Hockey Observer
08-08-2005 6:34 pm
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Players
Maybe it is not as easy as the right players....perhaps they should look at how the players are asked to play and how they actually create the chances. The best goal scorers still need to have the chances created.
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rusty
08-08-2005 9:15 pm
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Isn't it common knowledge that this 'local' encounters are often tougher that when you take them at face value.
I think a large portion of the Scots would rate beating the English at this level far more important as they, with respect, don't get to compete as a nation in other International competitions so regularly.
Look at any local derby, in all sports, at any level and it often goes beyond league placements if their is a stong rivalry.
The intensity of these games because of this often raises the level beyond who should simply win on paper beforehand.
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coach
08-09-2005 2:03 am
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I'v watched them.
Jason Lee's team is one dimensional and this is a because of the coaching they receive, as a result they are not able to adapt to different playing styles created by different teams. GO ON THEN posting (possibly a current england squad player frightened of losing his position) aggressive posting demanding names of goal scorers, is a ludicrous remark, as any names suggested on this site not only damages any future chances they may have had, as Jason Lee is so single minded that and unless he has named the prospect first and proven to evryone he is doing the job he is paid to do, he proves a point and does not pick them, which is pure bloody mindlessness. Secondly all you morons who think you know everything about hockey would ridicule them openly on this site, which is what always happens when names are put forward.
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Observer
08-09-2005 4:36 am
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I was at the games at the weekend, and the goals conceded by the english were caused by defensive errors by Garrard, he had an absolute nightmare and was easily dispossed twice for the Scottish goals.
England were well organised but lacked flair in the final third of the pitch, relying heavily on the set piece.
England will be difficult to beat and should do okay if they get a goalscorer. Scotland on the other hand will need to tighten up at the back, stop giving away possession easily and give the exciting forwards a chance to shine. Moodie was superb on Sunday as was Michael Christie and Stotty.
Stephen Dick also scored an excellent goal and was a threat the whole game as was Dougie Simpson. Mike Leonard was well off the pace and needed Mitchell and Cheesy to cover up his many errors.
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Fanatic
08-09-2005 5:15 am
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Daly may score from open play but I doubt Clarke will have what it takes. He hangs on to the ball far too long... and isn't Middleton playing in midfield now so don't expect many goals from him.
Best players possible? I don't think so. Jimmy Lewis has never been given a proper chance for England as always in the shadows of Mason. He was number 2 last year and suddenly can't get in the team. Along with Middleton, Martin Jones is our most dangerous attacker and he's not there for whatever reason, and Rob Todd has surely got to to be a better defender than Ben Marsden.
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northerner
08-09-2005 7:15 am
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observer
Why not let the individual players do what they want on the pitch? I am sure that will work!!
It is the old argument about fitting players to a system or a system to the players.
Very rarely does any coach in England, club or international have a squad of players that are good enough overall to do total justice to a prescribed system of play. Changing the players may cure one problem but will only another elsewhere. Changing the coach will just hand over the same set of problems to another coach.
The root cause is that our players at present are not coached properly early enough. Also, not all of our best coaches can coach an international side, so if we aren't going to have an academy style set-up we must put them as high as is possible ie with divisional sides. We must also allow our best players time away from their clubs to work with these coaches.
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GK
08-09-2005 9:36 am
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Jimi Lew
Jimi was given a number of England chances. He played for GB leading up to the Olympics against PAK and AUS many times. He was also given a big opportunity when they went away a couple of years ago, he broke the rules on going out before games so he was banned for a couple of games! On his day, yes, he is probably the best GK in the country, but he is a bit older than the others. If we are building for the 2008/2012 olympics then looking at youth is good.
Jimi, could also be described as a bit of a loose cannon! He is difficult to predict and can be hard to get along with, which may not be great for team dynamics.
I think JL got his GK selection correct!
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OLYMPICS
08-10-2005 3:46 am
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Correct me if i am wrong
It may just be me but isn't a bit presumptious to presume that ENGLAND are building for the 2008/2012 olympics, because last time i watched any olympic event it was a GB team. Any of the england fans at peffermill will have seen the quality of the scotland keepers and to claim that england is building for the olympics is another example of the pro-england bias when it comes to olympic selection.
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x
08-11-2005 4:23 am
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OLYMPICS
Surely it is just reinforcing the point that in order to build effectively towards an Olympics, GB must come together earlier than 8 months away from the tournament to be able to compete with teams that can prepare over a 4 year Olympic cycle.
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Scot
08-11-2005 5:49 am
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2012
don't worry if there are scots welsh or irish in the olmpic 2012 GB team, thet still won't qualify for the event with the current coaching & management team.
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Commando
08-11-2005 7:08 am
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Scot 2012
Yeah, let's blame the current management. They are totally responsible for all those Scots, Welsh and English players who just aren't good enough, not in European competition, let a,lone world events. It's Jason Lee's fault that some of them have a complete lack of understanding of the game, poor technical skills, poor fitness, poor attitude etc Yeah, it's definetely Jason's fault isn't it? Before him it was Mike Hamiltons fault and before that Barry Dancer and before that Jon Copp... BUT then what if it isn't? What if it might be closer to home? What if even thinking about it makes you squirm and feel a little uncomfortable? What if it might be about crap Welsh club coaches? Crap Scottish national coaches and the crappiest of all, English national league coaches. What if?
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General
08-11-2005 9:41 am
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Commando
Please refresh my memory and give details of any english successes since Jason Lee with his current selected body of players have had since he has been in charge.
The fact is he needs to try new personnel as the current bunch have not done the business, and you can't blame those posting and airing their disapproval and alternative recommendations.
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ageist
08-11-2005 11:32 am
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goalkeepers
surely you want your keepers to be older and more experienced, I suppose though Jimi will still be a kid when he is 65.
the top keeper in the olymipics was the argentinian woman keeper who was 42
I hope mace makes a comeback a year before the 08 games
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Ex Int. GK
08-12-2005 4:24 am
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Commando
Commando - you should know by now to suggest any intrinsic problems within our hockey structure or other underlying faults which have led to our National team being unsuccesful does not go down well here.
This would mean suggestions on how to create a structure / system from bottom to top to generate the players required to be successful at national level.
How obsured....
Instead, blame the current mangement for not having the vast pool of talented players at their disposal and tell of other players that should be in instead of those selected (normally these are mates or players from the same club).
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N
08-12-2005 4:34 am
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General
Give the guys a break look through the squad and you will see it is full of new faces or are you suggesting we just get rid of anyone with over 50 caps??
You just want instant success and have no appreciation of the work that has to be done. Armchair fans such as yourself and those like you are the pits. Its as the Aussie cricketers said we prefer to berate our teams and knock them down when we should be getting behind them and supporting.
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Cauldron
08-12-2005 4:54 am
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Scottish keepers!
"Any of the England fans at peffermill will have seen the quality of the Scotland keepers"
Did anyone watch the matches at the Celtic Cup? Both Scottish keepers were appalling. Ali McGreagor is a decent keeper as shown by his brief involvement with GB. However, Kane is incapable of stopping anything unless it's going in the top corner and Dick merely serves to make Kane look good!
I feel sorry for Ahrens having to make that call for the Europeans. It probably came down to who made the least howling errors. Kane?
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General
08-13-2005 1:34 am
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N
The problem is I have looked through the squad and it mediocre results since Jason Lee took over and it is not impressive, and I see no way forward with the way players have been coached and instructed to play, so I stand by my original posting. Incidentlly I played my international hockey and am not a bitter man just honest and realistic and tell it how I see it, and not as you suggest from an armchair.
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N
08-15-2005 3:56 am
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General
You PLAYED your international hockey - past tense get over it and yourself!!
This is a relatively young side with potentail who can do without your "things were better in my day" mentality. Let me guess you are a blazer in waiting!!
Constructive comments are required not your trash.
Good luck England - do your best!
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Amazed
08-15-2005 1:59 pm
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Scottish Gk's
Can't believe somebody is suggesting that Scottish Gk's did well at Celtic Cup! Kane had a mare v France including being beaten on his near post (a big no no where I come from) and his colleague was made to look weak by the Welsh.
Welsh no 1 looks ok (harris I think). Big and calm and seems to communicate well. No 2 made huge cock up v Scot's though. Funniest goal I've ever seen!
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Shocked
08-16-2005 5:29 am
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Scottish GK's
I think getting beaten at your near post is a no no everywhere and in every sport aswell! What i don't understand is why they left Ali Mcgregor out of the squad for the celtic cup! Am i the only one who thinks he is far more worthy of a place in the team than either of the guys who played so poorly in edinburgh?
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IDEA
08-16-2005 10:33 am
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Shocked
Beacause he was guarenteed a place at the Europeans, so they were giving both Allan Dick, who incidentlly is moving to kelburne, and Kris Kane a chance to show what they had to offer as McGregor's second choice at the Europeans.
Pretty obvious when you think about it. Giving them both a chance at a competative level.
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huh?!
08-17-2005 12:06 pm
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alan dick to Kelburne?!
are you serious?!
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IDEA
08-18-2005 3:51 am
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huh?!
Yes he left Inverleith last week...........
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Interested
08-18-2005 9:41 am
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Dickie
Is this whind up? Where has big Gav gone?
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colin
08-18-2005 10:25 am
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What has happpened to Gavin Somerville he was a rising star for Kelburne was he not or do they think Dick is better. Personally I thought all your goalies were on a par where ours are rubbish at present Bring back Mason.
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Shocked
08-18-2005 7:31 pm
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Yes this is actually true. It must have been a fun few days in the Dick household!!!!!
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Interested
08-19-2005 6:53 am
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Dick Less
What about Junior has he got intchy feet as well, Inverleith for the drop?
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Burnie Boy, not yet
08-19-2005 10:20 am
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The Towers Rule
Big Gav has put the hockey on hold to focus on his band "The Towers" which led Kelburne to tap up the Inverleith keeper. Apparently he's now moving to Kelburne so that counts as another success for the Ralph Recruitment School (The Scotland Squad). Anyone else think that having a Scotland coach as a player at one of the clubs is a conflict of interests (Parnham)? no, just me, oh well.
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Boo hoo
08-22-2005 2:03 pm
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Get real
I think being champions is more of a factor than Mark Ralph. Doesn't exactly have Jose Mourinho's silver tongue does he?
Also; a conflcit of interests for Parnham? What about every other national coach (before Ahrens) and umpire in the history of the Scottish game?
Get a grip.
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interested
08-23-2005 6:29 am
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whose gonna take over from alan at inverleith? heard their 2nd and 3rd team goaies have left as well - theres a shortage of decent keepers about as well right now. any one know?
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Who Cares
08-23-2005 9:36 am
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Well done Allan. Contrary to what others say he was not tapped!!!! but contacted Kelburne directly.
Aherns must take responsibility for slagging him off for having no ambition for continuing to play with Inverleith.
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I do
08-25-2005 9:54 am
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Leaving ones club in order to further ones International career is parasitic behaviour of the highest order. To avoid the label of parasite, there are 3 scenarios where a player deserting those around him can escape the status of absolute pariah:
1. To improve ones game one may leave for a club in a higher division.
2. Through work or study one may leave if one relocates to another city and therefore is left with little option other than to play for another club
3. Finally, as a life choice one may also relocate to another country and as a result improve ones International credentials by default.
Switching allegiance for any reason other than those detailed above, for example money or glory are deplorable acts of self presevation that will leave an indelible mark on ones character never to be erased.
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Another Who Care...
08-26-2005 10:31 am
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I do
Methinks you are a Grange member
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dicky fan club
08-26-2005 11:41 am
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Dicky's got miles more potential and is a better all round athlete than Kane, Kanes OLD news get him outa the team. Best move you could make Allen in joining the best team in Scotland. Good luck next season.
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I do
08-30-2005 4:26 am
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Another Who Cares...
And methinks you are a plank, however, that doesn’t alter the validity of what’s been said.
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