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John
07-31-2005 11:57 am
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Ireland deserved the win today- totally outplayed the Germans for the first 55/60 mins. Paddy Brown was sensational, and I believe that he was on Saturday too. Not convinced by Jason Black however, bit slow, looses the ball too much and looks a bit lost at times. Good performance though
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Ross
07-31-2005 3:08 pm
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Paddy Brown was brillant, kudos to him. Held the defence together, Pheilie Maguire didn't have the bets game on Sunday.
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random
07-31-2005 4:03 pm
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Ireland should have had the game dead and buried when they were on top in the second half, their failure to convert chances and set pieces (1 corner from 5 or 6) cost them. Was a good performance however and sets them up well for Rome.
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RJ
08-01-2005 3:01 am
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Tend to agree about Black. The other players in the back four (Waring, Smith and Brown) look very solid, as do Butler, Shaw and Raphael in midfield. Impressed by Barbour this weekend but it will be interesting to see which forwards are selected for Rome!
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Spectator
08-01-2005 3:28 am
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Thought Paddy had a great weekend, led the team brilliantly. Though Davey Smith was equally as good, man of the match for me on the saturday. Passmore must be glad to have him back in. Think your comments on J Black are very harsh though. All in all, things moving in the right for the men...keep it up for Rome!
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Lizzie
08-01-2005 4:00 am
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One might want to mention that this was German'y development squad though... So losing "only" 1-2 is not quite as sensational, especially taking into account that 6 of Germany's players were picking up their first caps.
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HC
08-01-2005 7:35 am
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Irish Team Prep
I have been very interested to see how Dave Passmore's Ireland have been preparing for Rome. His assessment of players under both physical and mental duress is both correct (in my opinion) and beneficial in terms of a basis for selection. Dave obviously has a methodology that he believes will work in attempting to highlight the players that will perform most adquately during a tournament situation. Would be interested to know what has been done to increase the specific skill levels of the squad. It was pretty interesting to see the GB mens performance at the last Olympic tournament - whilst fitness levels were high, a trade off had occured in terms of individual skill levels. The ability to turn a game on its head with an audacious or inventive piece of skill or change in attacking formation was sadly lacking, probably due to the formulaic approach used in team preparation. Do Ireland have the player(s) to provide this? All that said, I believe Dave Passmore is probably the most organised and inventive coach in the UK, and if effort and hard work are rewarded by results then DP's Ireland should perform well. Good luck
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dose of realism
08-01-2005 8:53 am
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lets be realistic here, no matter how much talking is done on the web site it is results that count and once again ireland have failed to shine. preparation is key in any sport, but sadly all the preparation in the world cannot compensate for a lack of talent and ability. on the plus side barbour was brilliant at the weekend. p.s whatever happened to that other player from cookstown ewan butler, don't hear much from him now.
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Fact finder
08-01-2005 10:54 am
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Does anyone know what the results were in Belgium?
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Interested
08-02-2005 3:16 am
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Performance
Players - I saw the Sat game & J. Black played very well. Always the most consistent of performers. The players who disappointed me were G. Elliot who looked well off the pace in comparison to the other forwards & G. Shaw who didn't contribute to the game at all. P. Brown & D. Smyth were excellent again.
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El Gringo
08-02-2005 5:00 am
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Well done david passmore. Ireland now mixing it with the big nations. Even though Germany were a understrength. With a bit of luck we could have won both matches. Things looking good for olympic qualifiers.
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possitive
08-02-2005 5:13 am
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Very good results and a confidence builder before rome and hopefully promition to the A Division. However, only 2 players from the German side are in the full side for the next tournament so lets no get ahead of ourselves.
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A
08-02-2005 7:57 am
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Interested
To Interested. You are obviously a munster based player. G Shaw and G Elliot both played very well on and off the balls. J Black wasnt great at all, he just seemed to hit and hope. As a whole the lads played great after a long week of non stop training and games. Well done lads!
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Results
08-02-2005 8:13 am
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I think (don't hold me to this) the results in Belgium were as follows:
1) Won 4-2
2) Drew 3-3
3) Won 2-1
Nice to see us scoring a few goals after the Celtic Cup results. Shame there was so little coverage in the papers - is this the IHA or our press?
The Germans have taken a similar team to this to the last 2 Champions Trophy tournaments - finishing 5th in the last one and coming close in most other games.
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John Flack
08-02-2005 10:34 am
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Results
Contrary to what you might think there was quite a bit of coverage in the media of both the men's and women's matches in recent weeks. Belfast Telegraph had reports of the Belgian games nightly. UTV covered one of the women's games v Germany and showed 1 and a half minutes on two bulletins on Saturday last and 20 seconds on Sunday. At the Celtic Cup, Ruth Gorman did six live and one recorded piece for BBC NI on the Sunday afternoon, one recorded piece on the Friday and three on the Saturday. RTE had one report on the Friday, three on the Saturday and five on the Sunday. This isn't bad coverage outside of the 'normal' hockey season - if such a thing exists.
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Watcher
08-02-2005 11:52 am
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Im not sure who 'interested' was watching when saying J Black is Irelands most consistant performer - unless he means consistantly poor?! Black is the weak link in the Irish team, but hey, money talks!
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Cop On
08-03-2005 4:28 am
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Watcher
Some boy to talk tripe. What planet are you on? Did you see the matches in Belgium & Dublin? I don't think so. You are some loser. Obviously, you have issues - get yourself sorted a.s.a.p.
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Hey Watcher
08-03-2005 6:28 am
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Jason Black
What do you mean he is the weak link in the irish team. And what do you mean about money talks, are you suggesting bribery is involved in his selection. If you have any evidence lets hear it, this is an anonymous website so you cant be taken to court. I dont think you could get as many caps over recent years as he did without being reasonably competent.
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Fat Man
08-03-2005 6:46 am
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Worried....
Hmm,
Am I the only person that is worried about the future of the irish team.
Over the weekend we were beaten by last years German U21 squad which is now their develpment squad, and managed a draw in our other game.
I am well aware that the germans do play their development squad regularly before major iternational tournaments, and have done so for many years.
But I for one think that Ireland should have beaten this German development team well over both games.
Considering the amount of competitive international matches that the majority of our team have played in. Men against Boys anyone!?!
Simply we were not good enough, not when you have players who can score goals Butler, Sherrif & Elliot all stand up.
Secondly I have my reservations about Dave Passmore as a coach.
He has been in charge of the Cork Harlequins club as a coach for two seasons and in that time what have they won?
And before any munster people snipe at me, winning trophies in Munster does not count.
To do that all one must do is beat CI in the final. And it's been that way for years and vice versa!
Quins have gone out of the Irish senior cup reasonably early for the last two years, also they really did not make an impact in the club championships either except showing to the hockey public that their discipline is awful.
Anyone in Cork this year for the club championships can testify to that.
How can a man who is now leading the future of Irish International hockey accept/condone such indiscipline in his team? Also he too showed his indiscipline on the sidelines during the club championships in cork. A a poor example if i may say so.
Passmore has Quins playing a rather unflattering workman style of hockey.
Quins have NO width everything is channelled up the middle, wave after wave like a battering ram.
And I for one believe that we are begining to see a similar trend appearing in the senior irish team.
There was no invention last weekend, the first game against the germans was a bore bar an exceptional goal from the Germans themselves. The Irish senior cup final in April was of a higher standard and that was contested between two club sides, not a team of so called international standard players.
Sunday was a far better game of hockey and the pace was not far off what you'd expect from an international side. But although a better performance we were still lacking.
But I can't help worrying for the future, the subtle signs are there. I don't believe Passmore is the man to lead us up the rankings in international hockey.
He is lacking in many ways. I do hope however he can prove me wrong.
But I am still worried.
Fat Man
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Corkonian
08-03-2005 8:17 am
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To Fat Man
What a load of bull. I don't think Dave was hardly at any training or matches with Harlequins this season. Let's not forget he was working in England at the time. Stephen Dale was our 1st team coach. With respect to discipline - you are obviously implying that Alex Ferguson and Arsen Venger are bad football managers - both their teams have discipline problems.
I wasn't at the games this weekend but I think comparing a cup final against an international match is rediculous and shows your niaveity. Perhpas you mean the matches were more exciting - a big difference. You also say that Quins went out of the cup early for the past two season - you are WRONG. We made the final in 04 - a time when Dave was around alot more. Should have beaten Inst in the final!
You say Dave lacks a lot but don't really offer too much explanantion of what he lacks, apart from a bit of width and invention. I am not on the 1st team but I do know to a man they rated him very highly.
Reading this site you seem to be the odd man out about performances. If the German team was similar to the squad that competed in the Champions Trophy - the results seem fine.
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Bernhard Stern
08-03-2005 2:49 pm
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back to earth
Ireland played against a development team. Not one of those players are picked for the European Cup.
The team has had three exausting weeks with a lot of international matches, therefore we could not bring our "first eleven" players. we had told the Irish organisation before we came to Ireland. So you can write as much as you want Mr Flack but be realistic!
I hope Ireland will do well in the B-division.
Grusse
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me
08-03-2005 2:52 pm
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to all
Naiveity??
PLaying vs a development team.........
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Ronan
08-03-2005 4:32 pm
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Dave P & Quins
Regarding Quins, you can't make a silk purse out of a pig's ear.
The Irish team is showing some promise, but all will come to nought if they miss out in Rome.
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Slim Jim
08-04-2005 5:11 am
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Again to FAT MAN
Dear Fat Man,
You need to lose some weight, it's clear fat has gone to your begrudging little CI brain. Be careful what you say FAT MAN or I will expose your identity to the world on this site.
Jim
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Hey Watcher
08-04-2005 6:53 am
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Justify your comment that "money talks" in respect of jason black getting picked in the irish team. That is the lowest blow ever on this website. You have the protection of anonymity so lets hear it!
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razza kid
08-04-2005 11:18 am
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up the inst
clearly this year inst will win the schools so to the rest of the scholl its not woth while you even travelling down 2 cork!
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ANON
08-04-2005 2:49 pm
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Razza kid ur not from inst so stop giving our school the bad reputation we dont deserve!
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Maddness
08-05-2005 6:31 am
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To everyone
I see from the comments above that nobody likes Fatmans personal opinion. He is entitled to it even if may not be what everyone agrees with.
I do think that Passmore does preach quite a narrow game but maybe that suits this Irish team? Cut your cloth...and all that.
The result against Germany was indeed a good result but I think the main point that Fatman was making was that it was a German side shorn of many if its regulars. Notwithstanding that. Any win against Germany is a good win. I really believe that this Irish side has come along way from two years ago. Passmore has only been involved in this team a matter of months not years and he needs time to get the standards up.
Unfortunately it takes a long long time to build a team to play an expansive, wide, counter attacking i.e. pakistani style of play. In fact you need to start coaching colts and fillies to express themselves skill-wise. Too much emphasis in Ireland is placed on structure and not enough on skill-sets. Then in about 10 years you will see the fruits of all this coaching. So I think Passmore has had to select a style of play that suits this Irish team and should be commended for that.
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Luke
08-05-2005 1:08 pm
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I think a major factor that alot of people are forgeting is that Ireland played something like 5 or 6 matches the week prior to the Germany fixtures. It would be hard to find another team able to play that many fixtures so close together and so if it was a German development team, we still held our own against the worlds no.1 development squad.
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One step beyond
08-06-2005 8:48 am
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Maddness
Maddness have you any idea how difficult the pakistani style of play is. To play the 2-3-5 system you need incredible levels of fitness and discipline as you will spend most of the match chasing the ball. Plus you need exceptional dribbling skills as you take on your opponent instead of passing around him.
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optional
08-06-2005 9:51 am
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yeah but that german squad was also involved in two intensive camps the week before aswell. Most if not all of the germans were involved in those camps as well as the regulars who did not show up.
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Doppelganger
08-26-2005 9:35 am
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one step beyond
You have to remember that in ireland we cant do anything that the dutch dont do. The dutch wrote off the 2-3-5 system years ago saying it could never work and wont reconsider that view despite the fact that australia won the olympics playing 2-3-5. Hence anyone in irish hockey who suggests trying it will be instantly shot down as a half-wit.
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Fan-attic
08-29-2005 9:52 am
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UP THE IRISH
Go on you good things!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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