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July 24, 2005 2.5 out of 5
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DARRYL J CRASTO

MUMBAI: The hockey battle, now on for quite some time inside the federation (IHF), got an interesting twist on Sunday, with Narendra Batra, a senior vice-president of the Indian Hockey Federation, picking up another piece of 'evidence' to stump the IHF chief KPS Gill.

Amidst a series of allegations against Gill, Batra has now come up with a revelation that could have serious repercussions not just for the sport in the country, but one which could cause considerable embarrassment to the Government of India.

Batra has claimed that India sent seven overaged players to the recent Rabo men's under-21 Junior World Cup event in Rotterdam, Holland, and charged that "manipulations to the ages of the players (sic) was done at the behest of senior IHF officials".

Batra says his sources have informed him that VS Vinay, probably the best player of the tournament, was 24 years and six months old, Hari Prasad 23, Vivek Gupta and Vikram Kant 22, Navpreet 21 and two months, Ajitesh Roy almost 22 and one of the two Senthil Kumars __ R or G __ who played in Rotterdam were also overage.

It is a very serious allegation and Batra stands by his claims. Speaking to the TOI from Jammu on Sunday, Batra said: ''I am in possession of documents which prove the age of these players. What I have are documents of the past four years -- they have been accepted and given the stamp of authenticity by the IHF."


When reminded that by revealing the names of the players, he could have already caused considerable harm to them, Batra replied, "Without mentioning names, it would seem that I was just shooting my mouth off. But the fact is I know who is responsible for this mess," he said, in an obvious reference to the two officials.

When contacted, KPS Gill, who was driving down from Chandigarh to Delhi, said: "I haven't seen the letter since I have been out of Delhi. What I did see in Chandigarh, through an agency report, was that Batra, according to his own averment, does not have his information right. His statements are rather vague.

"For one, he is assuming that the cut off date for eligibility is June, 2005 when the date set by the FIH is 1-1-2005. He doesn't seem to know Ajitesh's date of birth. Moreover, he does not know which Senthil Kumar went to Rotterdam. He has said that it is either R or G but, in fact, it is the youngest whose initial is N. "Thus his information cannot be relied upon. Three of the seven players he has named are already in the clear as far as I know. That leaves just four... we will have to investigate,"Gill said.
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LAD
07-25-2005  10:18 am
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OVERAGE NONSENSE
COME ON GUYS WILL SOMEBODY GIVE PROOF OF THE OVERAGED PLAYERS TO THE PRESS SO THAT IT CAN BE PUBLISHED. I AM NOT REFFERRING TO THE J W CUP ONLY. LOOK AT THE AGE MANIPULATIONS AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.

IS MR BATRA SAYING AS SR VP HE DID NOT KNOW ALL ABOUT THIS ALL THESE YEARS OR IS HE CRYING WOLF BECAUSE HE IS BEING SIDELINED. EITHER WAY IT IS GOOD TO SEE A SENIOR vp OF THE IHF HIMSELF CLAIMING TO HAVE PROOF OF THE OVERAGED PLAYERS. WELL JUST FOR THE RECORD BOTH SANDEEP MICHAEL AND ARJUN HALLAPPA WERE OVERAGED BY 2 TO 3 YEARS WHEN THEY PLAYED FOR INDIA IN THE JWC.
VINAY , HARI AND VIKRAMKANT ARE POSITIVELY ABOVE AGE AS PER THE FIH NORMS FOR THE 2005 JWC. THEY HAVE PASSPORTS WITH FALSE AGES. VERY SIMPLE TO VERIFY CHECK THE RECORDS WHEN THEY REPRESENTED INDIA OR THEIR RESPECTIVE STATES AT THE JUNIOR AND SUB JUNIOR NATIONALS. ALSO CHECK THEIR AGES GIVEN WHEN THEY PLAYED THE JUNIOR NEHRU CUP OR OTHER MAJOR SCHOOL TOURNAMENTS. ASK THEM TO PROVIDE THEIR 7TH STANDARD OR 10TH STANDARD ORIGINAL MARKS CARD IT WILL BE CLEAR THAT THEY ARE OVERAGED.
Uknow
07-27-2005  9:41 pm
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LAD
Maybe you have sources that we don't know about, but how did you find out?

Let us know. Thanks.
Yen
07-28-2005  10:07 am
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i support batra all the way.
I support Batra all the way. Never mind hockey may go down for some years bur it will emerge stonger then even , and no one in the world will be able to touch.
Let MR. KILL BILL GILL GO
LAD
07-28-2005  3:02 pm
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UKNOW
IT IS OBVIOUS YOU DO NOT HAVE THE SOURCES I HAVE. I KNOW THESE CONCERNED PLAYERS PERSONALLY AND HAVE ACCESS TO CERTAIN RECORDS/DOCUMENTS ON THEIR AGES. LET ME JUST SAY I WILL PRODUCE THE SAME AT THE RIGHT TIME AS OBVIOUSLY NOW MY IDENTITY IS A SECRET. I CAN ONLY SAY THE PLAYERS I MENTION ARE FROM MY HOME TOWN.
LAD
07-28-2005  3:34 pm
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HOPE SOMETHING GOOD COMES OUT OF ALL THIS.
BATRA'S PERSONAL EGO CLASH WITH GILL IS THE CAUSE OF BRINGING OUT A LITTLE BIT OF THE SKELETONS FROM THE IHF CUPBOARD. WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN WHO WINS AS ALL ARE FROM THE SAME KETTLE ( ONCE BUMS NOW ENEMIES ). IT WILL BE GREAT IF SOME GOOD COMES OUT OF THIS AND ASSOCIATIONS AND PLAYERS BECOME MORE VIGILANT ON THE AGE ISSUE. MANY CORRECT AGE PLAYERS ARE DENIED A CHANCE TO PLAY BECAUSE OF THESE OVER AGED PLAYERS BEING ENCOURAGED AND INCLUDED AT VARIOUS LEVELS OF DOMESTIC HOCKEY. I HOPE THESE AFFECTED PLAYERS WILL PROTEST IN FUTURE AS IT WILL GO A LONG WAY IN CLEARING UP OUR SYSTEM OF REGULAR AGE TAMPERING IN INDIAN HOCKEY.
jay
07-28-2005  7:06 pm
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to LAD
documents are not enough proof for age purposes specially in sports , u can put whatever u want to.....only bone test can determine exactly what age you are?
LAD
07-28-2005  11:22 pm
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JAY
DOCUMENTS CAN PROOVE SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH AGES GIVEN. NEXT THE PLAYER CAN BE SUBJECT TO MEDICAL VERIFICATION THROUGH A PROFESSIONAL WHETHER BONE TEST, DENTAL CHECK OR ANY OTHER WAY.
Jharkhand
07-29-2005  5:30 am
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obvious
Well.. i dunt thnk v need sum1 like Mr.Batra to tell us tht the Indian JWC team has overage players... any indian hockey luver wud tell u d same for free...
but the Q's is why did batra not come out early? did he have to go to the press first? why name the players? and now that he has.. please furnish the proof...!!
i have been in touch wid some Junior's and as every kno's.. some guyz are overage.. but then .. did ne1 raise the issues for the JWC2001 team.. why?? jst cause they WON.. or cause there was no internal feud in the IHF then??
double standards aren't they???? Mr.Batra a very humble req from a very humble Indian Hockey Fan..
Mr.batra u and ur i-wanna-ruin-indian-hockey colleagues please dunt stymy the good work of the lads...
if u feel u wanna do good for Indian Hockey.. please step down.. sling as much as muck u want and play the mud-slinging game wid ur buddy(ex-buddy) Mr.gill.. but dunt make the players go thru the trauma..
@Jharkhand
Uknow
07-29-2005  8:23 pm
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LAD
I am not disputing what you say you know and that you have access to sources, be certain I am not.

But what do you propose doing? If false papers are easily obtained from sources that ought to be trusted (e.g., passports) how can credibility be established and the state-national sports system be revamped?

I agree it discourages younger players who need/deserve the opportunities, that is why I am interested in pursuing this discussion. The system will then be better, as Yen says, but ONLY if it can get fixed.

Obviously we need cheap practical processes to verify ages, hence the reliance on documents. Failing this what else is practical?
LAD
08-01-2005  4:54 pm
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Stop age tampering - What is required ?
Every State hockey association needs to resolve to put an end to this age tampering. We are in a situation were each state says let the other stop. During the last Sub-Jr, Junior ( under 21) and Junior ( under 18) many teams were found to have overage players and they were pulled up. Why were these teams not scratched from the competetion which would have been the perfect deterent for the future. All State associations know that it is not a crime to send averaged players with tampered age certificates as there is no grave pushment even when caught.

ALL Major Tournaments were age is a criteria should scrsp and scratch the entry of such teams found guilty at any part of the tournament, only then will there be a slight fear and the issue be taken seriously.
LAD
08-01-2005  4:58 pm
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Jharkhand
Well said, you simply covered the issue beautifully. Good post, I fully agree with you.
P Jammu
08-05-2005  3:07 pm
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Dear Batra I am 100% with you at your issue of over age, I think that way we will always late and do unfare with the junior players all over the country.
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