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Can Fan
07-22-2005 11:01 am
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How about some Photos / Mpegs
Robin / Giles,
How about getting FHC to set up the website to get clips or photos? Great first game!Keep up the hard work!
Also, has there been some recent retirements? Some familiar names are not on tour.
Cheers
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INdoor world games
07-22-2005 1:44 pm
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germany vs. canada
Canada lost 18 to 2, maybe louis should've been coaching his kids in the indoor tournament, he raised those kids
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Indoor World Games
07-22-2005 1:51 pm
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Don't put this loss on John or Cassius, they are honest and hardworking
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Germany
07-22-2005 1:55 pm
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All Germany's good players are playing in the indoor games, domke, green, Eimer, etc
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hockey player
07-22-2005 9:10 pm
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keep it up
way to go Ravi Agnihotri, keep working hard buddy. To the rest of the Canadians as well keep working hard and hopefully a win will come soon against the Germans!
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Uknow
07-23-2005 12:04 am
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Wow
Sorry, what a joke of a match report...pc mentioned for the first half only to show Canada had something positive.
I didnt realize there were 4 goals scored from the report. German's cross bar shots and wide shots are mentioned not the ones that they netted. Obviously, afraid someone was going to have their name blemished, so do not even have it mentioned...funny how Cnd pcs go wide and final passes go astray...namelessly - not that I was looking to have somebody blamed.
I am sure Canada had some fine saves, but let us have some reports that are not so obviously sweet - we need some realism please. We can read between the lines, Robin, so puleeezzzz!
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Lizzie
07-23-2005 3:52 am
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Germany
Make that all of Germany's RETIRED players play in the indoor tournament - Domke, Green, Eimer...
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Elmar
07-23-2005 3:55 am
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???
Uknow: 4 goals scored??? No goals were scored, the game ended 0-0, just as the report says. So no wonder you can't tell from the report that goals were scored!!!
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Uknow
07-23-2005 10:46 am
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Oops
Sorry I misread the final score line, and thanks for the correction Elmar. Need for immediate improvement of reading skills.
...still a very biased report.
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Canfan
07-23-2005 4:45 pm
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second game in series
For those interested, Germany won the second game 4-1.
Uknow: You obviously don't know. Learn to read before you write.
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Emily
07-24-2005 4:10 am
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2nd Game
Haven't heard any info on the second game - who was in net?
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Uknow
07-24-2005 10:30 am
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CanFan
Canfan, Yes I am eating crow, and willingly. Admit I was wrong. Shot too fast. Thank you, another helping please...
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Bush
07-24-2005 11:26 am
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re :uknow
Biased report? Are you really that clueless? Anytime Canada draws with the world #1 the report should be positive. It is one of the best results this team has seen in years.
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Indoor fAN
07-24-2005 6:26 pm
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Canada's indoor keepers are weak. 18 goals against is a disgrace regardless of who you are playing. Shank has never been that good and Manny is surely not a national calibre goalie. 9 goal against each of them, I wonder who gets the next start. Does anyone know if the outdoor goalies, i.e. Mahood play indoor cause I'm sure results would be different. On that note, are their any good up and coming goalies in Canada, after Mahood, who is there? McKinnon out as backup and Peck results have been very subpar. Any good juniors or is this country lacking a lot of talent in this porition???
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ontario player
07-24-2005 8:41 pm
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update
Where is the update on 2nd game?? also what were the scores for the canadian indoor team that went to the world games in Germany????
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Canada Fan
07-24-2005 11:18 pm
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Frustrated!
Peck has not had enough opportunity to play and demonstrate his skill as an international-calibre goalie. Subpar? That's a ridiculous and uninformed statement. Pay a little more attention. The lack of support for this team is disgusting. All you people do is gripe and complain. No wonder nobody cares about this sport.
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Joker
07-25-2005 2:12 am
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Matt Peck
Canada's goalie situation is fine. Mahood is still world class and when he steps down, Matt Peck is more than adequate. His "results" are not a reflection on his abilities but on the entire team. Matt was easily the top goalkeeper in the Premier League this season and should have been VFHL MVP !!!
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Jay
07-25-2005 11:19 am
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Canada's goalies
Apparently Indoor Fan must spend all of his time indoors...if he got off the counch once in a while to go out and watch a game he'd know that the team's goalies are not inadequate! I saw Peck play against Scotland and there was absolutely nothing below par about his performance - he's only had a few games in net, so give him a break before you start whining about how no one is living up to your expectations.
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From a player
07-25-2005 2:37 pm
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Comments/Questions
The strange thing that bugs me is that many of you take the time to read the reports but then want to complain as they are biased. Even when the team does do well it seems like there needs to be some doubt in what our team can offer in terms of performance at the international level. What does the Canadian Field Hockey public want? I expect the negative comments come from a couple players who were not selected for the team now or in the past. It sure makes me laugh when I see the goalkeepers from the indoor squad getting slammed...have you ever seen Germany play indoor?
It is such a shame to see such a wondeful sport tarnished by 'media hooligans' writing their slander of our sport on such a global forum. When you read articles about Argentina, Spain, Korea, to name a few you will read 99% of the comments as positive. I can only imagine the hockey world who take the time to read many of these comments from abroad must think that Canadian field hockey is a joke.
Keep your useless comments to yourselves and lets see if this forum can bring up some interesting comments and conversations about the 'best sport in the world'!
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agree
07-25-2005 4:51 pm
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From a player
Congratulations canada. From a Player, I completely agree with you. It's time people started having a more optimistic view on Field hockey in our country. Yes, I know our program is less then perfect, but really, please stop the negative comments. These guys are busting their butts, and to have people slam them is just not fair.
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Emily
07-25-2005 5:07 pm
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Canada Goalies
Thank you for stepping up and supporting Matt! He's doing a phenomenal job, and we should all be very proud of him, and of Mahood as well. For all of the work they put in, they certainly don't deserve to have to take crap from anonymous whiners who apparently have no idea what's going on. I agree with Player on this one - can't you people think of anything interesting to say?
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Indoor Fan
07-25-2005 8:51 pm
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Wow, seemed to really step on a lot of people toes there with that goaltending comment. I'll say that it's true that Peck has not had an opportunity to shine and I'm sure he'll get his chance. However, the point of my thread was to focus attention on the lack of goaltending in indoors and ask whether or not great goaltenders like Mahood and now Peck would be willing to play because the indoor keepers, like or not, are not up to the standard of other international teams, and I don't mean Germany. How about a 14-2 loss to the Czech Republic or 6-0 and 7-1 losses to Switzerland. I dont think the Swiss or Czechs are the powerhouses that the Germans are so can someone explain the keepers performances here. And yes I am aware that Canada failed to score many goals, but 45 goals against is not very good. As an eastern based player I have played quite a bit and love the fast paced nature of the game and wonder why more Western based players don't play and contribute to the national indoor team, or maybe I should ask why the coaches don't attempt to include Western based players more often, seeing as you all say that the talent out west is supposed to be better than Ontario.
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Jay
07-26-2005 11:24 am
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Indoor hockey is to field hockey what floor hockey is to ice hockey - a poor substitute. And why isn't indoor hockey terribly popular in the west??? Ah helloooo, we're able to play outdoor all year long on the west coast...why would be interested in a crap substitute?
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world games
07-26-2005 12:04 pm
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indoor fan
It is quite clear that you have not seen our indoor goalies at their best. The entire team faced the World Champion German Indoor Team with almost an entire week without training, and 2 days with the crappy food that was served at the games (not to mention jet lag and all sorts of other disruptions that come with any kind of major games). Even then, we played well at the start of the game and only lack of international experience and a more favourable training schedule (also no fault of anyone involved with the team, just bad luck) kept us from a better performance. The scores of the each of the swiss and czech games were also not indicative of how well our goalies played (or any of the players for that matter). Shankar delivered some world class performances at each of the final 3 games played and Manvir also had some very strong moments for a national team rookie. If you had heard some of the positive comments that some of our players recieved at the games you would not be spouting the garbage that you are. The swiss and czech are both top 10 teams and Germany's win over the swiss in the finals was not indicative of how competitive that games was. The swiss are an extremely good team as are the czechs. Perhaps when you make the team and get a chance to play these teams you will actually find out how good they are and then you can make some informed comments.
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Canada Fan
07-26-2005 12:33 pm
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Nobody cares about indoor hockey - we can't get sufficient support for outdoor hockey in this country, so why would anyone bother with playing indoors, especially with the creation of so many quality outdoor surfaces, especially in the west? I think you need to move on, Indoor Fan, and accept that indoor hockey is more or less on the fringe of real sport, and is more on a par with touch football or frisbee golf than with the traditional outdoor game.
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Yan Huckendubler
07-26-2005 1:56 pm
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Weird statement from Canada Fan..
To Canada Fan: ?Nobody cares about indoor hockey?.
May be you should specify ?nobody in BC??. Yes, you are able to play outdoors all year round, lucky you, but this not the case in the East. So the indoor game is a good way to work on skills (technical and tactical work in a crowded space?) that are also useful on the larger surface. Also, since we don?t have ?quality outdoor surface? popping up everywhere, the indoor game could also be used more as a development tool for grassroots.
Regarding some of the other comments, I don?t think that the score of an indoor game is a good indicator of the real balance of the play. At the 2003 Indoor World Cup, Canada lost 4-11 to Germany after a strong game during which they managed to unsettle their opponents with innovative options. The eleven goals against on that day certainly didn?t reflect the overall performance of the team, and certainly not the performance of Hari Kant, who played superbly in goals.
Indoor hockey is very different from the outdoor game, but comparing it to ?touch football or frisbee golf? is a weird statement. The two variants of our sport are not competing against each other, more complementing each other, so there is no reason to try to drag one in the gutter.
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Malcolm
07-26-2005 2:07 pm
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Indoor, to be or not to be
I wish we could all boast that we could play fieldhockey year round. But if in Canada, the fact remains, other than the west coast the majority of the provinces are in a deep freeze for most of the year.
So we do what works for us, we play indoor hockey. So much so that Canada finished in the top six at the last world cup. Which is a higher rating than our current outdoor team.
I am not saying that we should abandon our focus on the traditional game, far from it. But the glaring facts are that indoor game is far more favorable to the Canadian climate. Indoor puts all the provinces (pardon the pun) at the same playing surface. One could be short sighted and say the Indoor game does not have its place or that the other provinces are not needed, as they are not able to compete with the west coast. But when it comes to government funding two things come to light, one, how many provinces participate and two, results at the world stage.
Good luck at the Pan Am cup, Canada. Hope you receive a well-deserved support from all Canadians on this site.
p.s. good luck to the current touring side in Germany, and apologies for high jacking the original post
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Big DaDDy
07-26-2005 6:14 pm
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Malcolm
Well said Malcolm, I am BC based and totally agree with what you say. An indoor nationals may generate interest from all provinces, while an outdoor can only get 2.
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Surprise, surprise
07-26-2005 6:42 pm
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Canada lost to Poland 2-0. According to the game report they generated way more chances. I could've told you that the forwards on that team aren't goal scorers. They can run fast and for long periods of time but when it comes to scoring forget it. These are the teams you need to beat to qualify. Forget Germany, Holland, Australia, etc. You have to beat teams like Poland, Malaysia, Belgium. Do that consistently and you will qualify for the Olympics and the World Cup.
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Spaceman Spiff
07-26-2005 8:33 pm
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CanFan
Man indoor hockey is fun!
Maybe you don;t care about it but should that stop everyone from playing. Its fast, lots of goals, ball stays in bounds, you can bring some of your ice hockey skills to the table.
You might be a 'Fan" but drop the "Can" part if you can't appreciate a little more he shoots he scores.
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Bexhock
07-27-2005 10:44 am
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Indoor Hockey
Canada Fan
I'm sure you meant to say something insightful, but your comment must have been muffled by having your head up your backside.
Indoor hockey is a superb adjunct to the outdoor game. It promotes decision making under pressure, close skills, team play and fitness. It was played in different forms over much of Europe because the grass pitches were unplayable during the winter and it was a way of keeping yourself fit. Subsequently, with the increase in Astros the indoor game has died off in many countries, to the detriment of their national team, like England for example. The more enlightened countries continue to include the game in their program and derive the benefits.
The game is particularly effective with young players where the 'immediacy' of the style of play, along with the skills I've already mentioned, develops intuitive abilities that are more difficult to inculcate at a later stage. A winter program in BC for juniors would be a start. but if your comments are reflective of the BC decision makers then I guess it will not happen.
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Emily
07-27-2005 11:40 am
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Poland Game
I am experiencing technical difficulties and have not been able to find the game report for the match against Poland - has anyone got any details?
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Emily
07-27-2005 11:47 am
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Poland Game 2
Okay - ignore that last question!
Any info on who sat out the second Poland game?
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Game 4
07-27-2005 1:13 pm
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2-1 for Canada over Poland! Good work by the guys. Sounds like two solid performances against Poland. Big games coming up against Belgium. This has the makings of a very successful tour!
Just wish whoever is writing these would quit complaining about the umpiring and suggesting there should have been strokes called...
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hockeymom
07-27-2005 8:58 pm
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indoor
I've played a little indoor myself and agree it is a great game. It is an amazing way to improve your skills. On that note I would just like to add that I play defense and would guestimate that most indoor goals are scored because of poor defense or a lazy center rather than a poor keeper. One mistake by the defense, poor coverage, giveaway etc. and the poor goalie is at the mercy of the attackers!
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ztar
07-28-2005 11:44 am
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Indoor FH
Clearly the problem re recruitment of players to the game lies with the boys side of the game (in BC, anyway). If indoor FH, with its quickness and, dare I say it, similarity with "road hockey", can draw more boys to the game in general, then perhaps that's the tool that ought to be used.
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SpaceMan Spiff
07-28-2005 2:35 pm
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ztar
finally some thinking outside the box
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Hero
07-28-2005 11:55 pm
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Hero
UBC BOYS RULE! WAY TO BACKBONE THE TEAM!!!
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Big DaDDy
07-29-2005 12:50 am
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ztar
I agree with SpaceMan... wicked idea...
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Dan
07-29-2005 1:55 pm
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Brutal
A brutal performance by the Canadian Goalkeepers at the World Indoors.....
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Whalley
07-30-2005 11:25 am
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Indoor in BC
Valid comments on the value of indoor..it is a great game. Back in the mid eighties and earlier,we had Indoor venues (UBC,Seaforth),but they were hard to book and needed equipment/modifications. When artificial + lights came then need for and interest in Indoor disappeared. Also, the community, even here, is still to small to support both styles,at the same time.
There is still merit in trying to find the right venue, if even just for the training value.
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Indoor Hockey
08-16-2005 3:51 pm
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Is there going to be a BC boys team that is going to come to Indoor nationals for a junior side this year, it would be great to see a full indoor nats this year.
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