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Can Fan
07-08-2005 8:56 pm
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Isn't there a Men's SR National Championship as well?
I was dissappointed to not to see any mention of a Sr Men's tournament in this article as well as results posted on the FHC Website. Is this a version of each their own ?
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Hockey All-star
07-09-2005 1:01 am
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This years mens nationals are horrible. Four teams with 3 of them being BC teams is pathetic. This tournament was many fold better when it was a club format like in 2000 and 2001 years in Vancouver. All senior national players are always picked up by various clubs anyways. Back in 2000 and 2001, all games were so interesting to watch, especially Brampton/India Club finals. Plus athletes who normally would not be playing in the provincial teams get a chance to play. Please make this tournament into a club championship or atleast allow clubs to enter along with the handful of province teams.
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Spaceman Spiff
07-09-2005 12:19 pm
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What a joke
You must be kidding me?
Looking for the next stars?
You will not 'discover ' them at nationals.
FHC stop pandering to the national team coaches and build some kind of realistic championship that will garner interest.
The idea of generic players equals what?
A natinal team training camp?
Another chance for the national caohes to watch players?
What part of this is a national championship?
"How exactly the generic teams will be selected and what age groups would work in hockey is being worked on by a small working group"
really?
What a revelation......
FHC this has to be most idiotic release in years
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Kaiser
07-09-2005 5:30 pm
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It's Saturday and still no word...
FHC should be ashamed of themselves. This is not what I would have envisioned a National Championsip to be. No mention of the Men which even though participation
is marginal, it shouldn't matter. This is touted as a National Event ( poorly articulated in this article by the way ) which should have all of the "stops" pulled out and show-cased this when funding is at a critical juncture and you are in the "hotbed" of hockey in BC.
Is this segregated event intentional? In previous years was there not a "dual" event held at the same venue? Even thogh there are more women's teams the scores don't flatter their section either. BC1 must be thrilled to play in a very intense tournament as part of their future preparations.
I expected more as a FHC member and as a volunteer in both Men's and Women's
local Associations. Very DISAPPOINTING.
Hey... if your happy ...
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No Actual Mens Tournament
07-09-2005 8:43 pm
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The men's tournament was cancelled officially because Alberta pulled the plug a week ago. Ontario is still playing because they made and were able to fulfill the commitment.
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Spaceman Spiff
07-10-2005 11:11 am
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Who came up with this format for next year?
Can someone please enlighten us on who came up with this 'new' idea its not good enough to say it was PSo and FHC. Please give us names so that we can spproach this group and tell them what we think about this idea.
Please see Hockey All-Star's comments then review the national championship commitees recommendations that led to that format and please tell us why you rejected it.
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And the winner is......
07-10-2005 2:30 pm
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No point in having a results a page and then not keep up with game results.It's Sunday afternoon and there are no results posted for Saturday yet.
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BC Fan
07-10-2005 7:49 pm
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Winners
...are BC
First and second in the both the men's and women's competitions!
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Where are the scores...?
07-10-2005 8:00 pm
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Scores?
So, the tournament is over. Congratulations to the winners!
At 8 this morning I checked the website to see who "might" be playing in the finals -- no help there.
Why is it so difficult, in an era of cell phones and the internet, to keep the FHC website updated during a "national" championship? C'mon people! This isn't rocket science! (Or does nobody in the national office know this is going on in Vancouver? Or care?)
New president. New mandate. Let's make currency of the website an objective, OK?
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re: Hockey All Star
07-10-2005 11:18 pm
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Men's national championships a flop!
The men's national championships has come to an extreme flop the last couple years. Hockey is just going downhill! It's a shame. Obviously the players who participated in the past know that club championships are much more better, much more competitive and exciting to watch from a fan perspective. I agree with Hockey All Star in the above comment, watching and playing in tight games like India Club/Brampton put on in the past was a much better show compare to now what they try calling the "provincial championships". How can you have a provincial national championship with 3 of the 4 teams coming out of B.C. ??? The club structure is far better off and for the national club championships you did have competition from all over the province with a sufficient number of teams. This is why canada will never succeed in field hockey. Its the politics that are killing this nation as a whole. The players that play the game know that its all due to the people who work within the management (perhaps FHC) who look for the benefits of themselves rather then for the players and a country as a whole. The innocent people who tried bringing the game of field hockey on the rise (Johnny Desouza, Andrew Griffiths, Alan Brahmst, just to mention a few) couldn't accomplish their positive ultimate goal due to certain people who perhaps work within FHO or FHC because they are political people who don't really care about the game of Hockey rather they just look at the benefits for themselves. I'm not saying the entire FHC or FHO is bad, but some people in particular and they know who they are, are selfish. The good people who are trying to promote the game, are being pushed back! This is why in the past few years the men's program is an entire FLOP! The men's national team after the 2001 olympics has been on the DECLINE! Which is sad to see, because their is potential out there.
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onyx
07-11-2005 1:30 pm
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FHC Should be Ashamed
Again, FHC doesn't show up... they put up a nice page and leave it virtually empty... why tease folks with promises of scores and results and then not deliver... in this day and age, it is not difficult to make changes to a webpage..
FHC wants support, and yet, they continue to do nothing for the folks that they need the support from...
Suzanne and folks should get off their arses and start doing something to promote the sport not whine and snivel when things are not going well.
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deja vu
07-11-2005 3:35 pm
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all over again
Hockey AllStar says: "Men's national championships a flop!"
Whether it was or not, I can't really say. However, just about one year ago, this thread on PFH sounded pretty-much the same. Apparently nothing has changed.
Flop or not (depending on the criteria you use to determine success, I suppose), I must say I was thoroughly entertained by most of the games I saw. I think the teams were evenly-enough matched to provided compelling FH. On the men's side, I particularly found the BC2 vs ONT game entertaining. The late-game pressure by ONT certainly put the end in doubt until the last minute. The BC youth squad also showed promise with some amazing speed and skill.
Last year's discussion thread here at PFH featured debate about the utility of having provincial teams versus club teams at such an event. Indy made some valid points regarding the value of the competition remaining as is. Based on the quality of play on the men's side, I'd have to concur. However, if success is measured by "number of teams attending", then this format certainly was a flop.
Indy made the point, last year, that there might be room for a national club championship. He suggested that all that would be required would be for some local association to step forward, to send out invitations to clubs across the country, and then to host it.
Naive question on my part: couldn't the VIT, with minor tweaking (assuming organizers would even want to tweak it), be billed as such a national club team championship?
As to flop or not on the women's side of the competition: that depends. BC1, BC2, ONT and the Jr Nat'l team provided entertaining FH. What the tourney also did was highlight where the problems with FH lie in Canada! I saw some games which were, at best VWFHL 2nd Division calibre, but more likely 3rd Division calibre. To put these teams on the field with the four aforementioned teams, does a disservice to all teams concerned as well as the sport itself. Any number of decent U16 and U18 teams (not high performance! just regular club teams) from the Lower Mainland or the South Island would have provided better competition. I hope FHC officials were watching, because the work required to build up this sport in most regions of the country was clearly evident on the pitches this past week.
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CAN FAN
07-12-2005 12:51 am
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Can anyone post the results from the Men's games?
Did we send the officials home with only the 4 teams? Did anyone watch?
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Big DaDDy
07-12-2005 12:19 pm
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Scores
Thursday:
BC White 3 BC U 19 0
ONT 1 BC Blue 2
Friday
BC Seniors 2 BC Club Guys 0
ONT 4 BC U-19 1
Saturday - no idea wasn't there
Sunday
ONT 3 BC U-19 2
BC Seniors 2 BC Club Guys 0
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SpaceMan Spiff
07-12-2005 2:25 pm
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Big DAddy
At least big daddy is honest....Sat- No idea wasn't there
Haha
FHC should post that under what have you done for the last 20 years....no idea wasn't there
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Big DaDDy
07-13-2005 2:48 am
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Space Man
Totally agree with you buddy, the only reason I was there on Thursday, Friday and Sunda was because I was umpiring! And what I saw did not impress me.
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BC
07-13-2005 11:08 am
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re: Big DaDDy
And here I thought BC had all the answers to field hockey's woes.... A few people have said the quality of the men's tournament was poor. 75% of the teams were from BC.... what gives?
I'm not meaning to hack on BC, but where were all the good players?
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deja vu
07-13-2005 12:54 pm
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BC
BC states: "A few people have said the quality of the men's tournament was poor. 75% of the teams were from BC.... what gives?"
In my opinion, the calibre was excellent and, for the fans, very entertaining. Where in this thread does it say the quality was poor?
People have discussed whether the format was appropriate or not, but that's adifferent issue than "quality of play".
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Big DaDDy
07-13-2005 1:22 pm
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BC
There are some good young players coming up thru the system, they are mostly under 18 years of age, if they stick with the sport... Alberta has 3 or 4 excellent junior age players, as does Ontario. The only real answer BC has is good weather that allows us to play almost year round. A lot of the better club players were selected to the BC2 team, though there were some players missing, possibly because most have families, or work committments and can not take out the time to train and play...
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Nat's
07-13-2005 2:36 pm
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women's side provided excellent competition throughout the top 4 teams. Many great plays where strung together, and the desire to win was apparent. many fans on the final day was a huge plus. JWC team put on a show but could'nt hold it together, with a summer of traning those kids will do well. The fate of field hockey in Canada relies on them doing well.
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BC
07-13-2005 5:17 pm
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re: Deja Vu
Big DaDDy mentioned it in two different threads. I wasn't there so I'm not judging it. I'm just surprised to hear that comment.
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Big DaDDy
07-13-2005 7:19 pm
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Quality of Play
I do recall mentioning it in 2 threads and I do stand behind what I said, overall the quality of play was poor, aside from a few decent plays put together.
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Deja Vu
07-13-2005 7:29 pm
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BC
I'd have to agree with Nat's and Big DaDDy (see above); there was excellent competition and I find it hard to imagine that you're going to find better FH being played anywhere in Canada with a better collection (but for perhaps some minor changes) of Canadian players.
The BC Youth squad featured some very good speed. If they had a deficiency in this tourney it was, perhaps, a bit of naivete in play selection (Hey, what else is new! They're still young and developing.). Too many players on the BC Youth team relied on speed and skill as opposed to good formations and team play. That, however, will come with time.
On the women's side, the Jr. Nats didn't quite seem to be coming together as a team just yet. But, as Nat's suggests, a summer of training should serve them well.
I was most impressed by the women's BC1 (Blue) team. I know this is hardly a valid comparison, given the nature of the competition, but I liked their play as a team better than the team play of our women's national squad versus Australia. Andrea Rushton was an absolute power on the pitch. For my money, THE player (men and women) of the tournament.
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BC
07-14-2005 9:08 am
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re: Deja Vu
Big DaDDy says the "play was poor" and you agree with him. I think that this is the best level of hockey you'll see - but he seems to be disappointed in it.
The women's tournament was really a two tiered event. That's ok - and good for the younger players to compoete against the top teams. Good luck to the JWC team!
The men's side hopefully has a future with AB, SK, MB all sending teams to the U18 tournament. Let's hope next year we can also have a U21 tourney to keep these players going.
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Deja Vu
07-14-2005 11:25 am
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BC
The peculiarities of a discussion thread such as this is the timing of submissions. I agree with Big DaDDY re " There are some good young players coming up thru the system". I disagree that "overall the quality of play was poor".
I thought that the play was good to excellent and, from a fan's perspective, entertaining.
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Big DaDDy
07-14-2005 2:28 pm
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BC
I didn't watch any of the women's and will not comment on it, though I do believe the level of the men's competition was sub-par, the last nationals I was at was 2003 and the level there was far superior to what I saw this year, and the funny thing is many of the same players participated in both (BC and ONT players).
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BC
07-14-2005 3:34 pm
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re: Big DaDDy
You've identified a major problem - it's the same people every year. Players get older and should be replaced by younger players. But that doesn't seem to happen. I fear that young kids aren't wanting to play provincially anymore.
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Willymoss
07-15-2005 9:12 am
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RE:BC
about young players not wanting to play at Nationals. I know that if Alberta did send a team there would have been a bunch of young players comeing through the that side, and with BC and Ontario its hard for them to play becasue there was a rule that that all National Team players must play. even with this rule set out by the national team BC sent there U19 squad which was all young players so it isnt that the young players dont want to they arnt given the chance to play
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Alberta
07-15-2005 1:17 pm
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re: willymoss
So where were all the youngsters at the training? The reason AB didn't send a team is because nobody showed up to our training sessions!
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Willymoss
07-15-2005 5:44 pm
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youngstars
Yes They were at the training sessions we had the older players drop from the team becasue they commited to something other then the nationals. I think we had 6 out of the 14-15 players that were 18 or younger training and were fully commited to the team.
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athlete
07-15-2005 5:51 pm
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another thing for juniors is the cost of coming to b.c. if you pay for junior nationals and senior nationals it can come up to about a 1000 dollars at least.....sure ontario had enough juniors to make another team for the so called national tourney but whose gonna pay 600 bucks to come to b.c. plus another 600 for the junior team
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BC Fan
07-15-2005 6:21 pm
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So different...
As Deja Vu mentioned, some of the National players played so differently for BC 1 as opposed to how they played for Canada against Australia. Not only was Andy Rushton dominant but Ali Johnstone was solid in defense, Stephanie Hume dangerous up front and Lesley Magnus dynamic and creative in midfield...
WOW
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Another BC fan
07-15-2005 10:18 pm
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So different????
Dear BC Fan, this only shows there is a huge gap between the Australian Nat. Women's team and Canadian provincial teams ;)
But I was pleasantly surprised too to see the level of these girls (not only the BC girls, as well the Ontario athletes) when there is a bit less structure enforced.
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Deja Vu
07-15-2005 11:15 pm
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BC Fan... So different...
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought BC1 looked "better" (perhaps more cohesive and coordinated is a better way of putting it) than the nat'l squad versus Australia (and, yes, I am mindful of the difference between Australia and BC2). There appeared to be a unique chemistry on BC1 (perhaps even more evident in pool play than in the final).
I've mentioned the play of Andrea Rushton and I'd like to concur with BC Fan on the play of Lesley Magnus. #16 and #18 were simply awesome!
WOW indeed!
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RussJ
07-16-2005 12:35 am
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Nationals re:Alberta
I think that its pretty funny how "we" decided not to field a team at the Nationals cause of lack of support for "training sessions." We didn't decide to drop out, We were ready to play, with or without our "Veteren" players. Its pretty sad that "we" feel that "training sessions" will make the decision whether or not we enter the tourny or not. What about all of our own private training sessions. What about our own time commitments that we sacrificed just to do that extra run for prep. What about all the sacrifices we made on the personal side just to do what we could to succeed. Why do these group "training sessions" determine whether or not we wasted our time. From what I've heard, the Ontario team doesnt have these training sessions for the tourney. Sure their skill level might be higher but they don't pull out if people can't have a group training session. What really gets me is that this wasn't a group decision, this was a personal decision. Sure we had pullouts, but we still had reserves and would have still fielded a competitive team. Whats more important though is that our youngsters would have had their competition at the higher level and potentially we as in Canada could have a bigger pool of talent to develop. If anything at all that has come out of this, I'm personally sick of playing and going no where. I'm tired of trying to keep our league team together for outdoors, and I'm tired of training to get better, getting injured, sacrificing my personal life to focus on getting our provincial team back. We (myself and Manvir) busted of butts this year with constant phone calls and hounding just to get our people out. And then when our training sessions come around, they are booked on the weekend where some of us work to afford these trips, or they are held in Edmonton where only one player from Alberta is from so thats impractical but again on the weekend. It just doesnt make sense. Lets not forget also the fact that to find out that our team was cancelled, I simply received a general email. Our provincial team was boasted as such a priviledge and honour to be on. If that were so, and I were to believe this, Maybe a group decision would have been best and not a "Managerial" decision, not to mention a phone call. Bottom line if things elsewhere are going on the same in the country, You bet this game is in trouble. There is only so much talent out there and finding it is hard. But not giving it the chance to develop, thats a crime. Like I said, one thing that has come from this, My personal desire to play has dwindled. And If my desire has faded at the age of 24, how do you think guys like Will and Jordon tse and Frenzel... who still have the fire, heart, desire, are feeling?
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just a clarification
07-16-2005 7:38 am
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RussJ
actually ontario did have a few training sessions, (kind of like tryouts) they did every carded guy had to play nationals and the rest had to try out during the training sessions, so if you didnt show up you didnt play....and the training sessions had a good amount of people.....sure personal training helps alot but being able to practice with the future team also helps alot...helps young players get over there nervousness and veterns get a feel of the strength and weaknesses of new players....sure ontario had only a few practices but it was still more than Im guessing alberta did....plus all of the ontario guys except ranjeev and some guys training in b.c. practiced together regulary so ontario did not have to many practices....with the juniors in ontario they practice together at least 12 practices before they go to their nationals..speaking from experience...Im not downing on Alberta but in order to play well you have to make sacrifices, personal and financial, commitment is the biggest thing towards a team:)
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hockey lover
07-16-2005 8:56 pm
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just a clarification
there r people who want to play for the provincial team but the cost factor takes all the commitment away because one has commitments to their families also and this is probably the factor why many players r more commited to their clubs than provincial squads
WHY NOT A CANADIAN CLUB CHAMPIONSHIP?
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just a clarification
07-17-2005 5:28 pm
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hockey lover
I totally agree...but thats where sacrifices have to be made....i had to find a job around my hockey scedule which is totally screwing me, but I can now make every practice every game, but I am a junior and its alot easier for me but it should also be the coaches decision to have practices when every1 can attend....maybe instead of club practices have national practices for a few weeks...all in all it comes down to preparation....there was a canadian camp that was cancelled because of a tournament in ontario and than was re-done at a later date...if the canadian team can change the times and dates to assist players...why cant a provincial team??
also the canadian club championship is a awesome idea as well....but there still should b some provincial championships.....cause if you cant play provincials how are you going to get noticed for the canadian team???
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Desire
07-17-2005 9:58 pm
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re: Russ
Your comments are important, as much as I diasgree. AB had a try-out and 2 weekends of practice. I don't think this is unreasonable. Asking you to travel to Edmonton once is also fair. Do you think Edmonton players (there are more than one) are encouraged to try out for a "Provincial" team if everything is in Calgary? Training has ALWAYS been focused on the weekends so I don't know where that complaint comes from - you make it sound like this was surprising. Again, how are non-Calgary athletes supposed to participate in a Tuesday session? AB athletes were asked for 3 weekends to go to Nationals - I don't think this is unreasonable.
Russ, you are upset with how the tournament was cancelled. Why should the athletes make this decision? It was a simple fact that there weren't enough players. You talk about being tired of trying to prop up your Calgary club team... so why should FHA have to beat the bushes (IN JUNE) trying to find player?!?!?
It's a simple thing. Not enough people made the choice to play. Write FHA and tell them why so it can be changed for next year.
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RussJ
07-18-2005 12:31 am
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Clarification
I'm not saying that Ontario players don't practice or didn't, or even their sacrifices should go unnoticed. My main point that I was trying to imply is that for whatever reason, our provincial team at the senior level the past few years has some how managed to find some kind of excuse not to field a team. And the implications that the reason this year was the lack of training session envolvement is merely that, just an excuse. The facts are... We did have some players back out last minute due to other commitments that they had prioritized, and I fully support their decisions. We also do have a core group of players that would play and can play and too make all the same sacrifices as mentioned. We also too have players that can still play at a higher level that can be picked up last minute. We've previously done that and for whatever reason this year, those players weren't good enough. We aren't a province of gifted players that play 5,6,7 days a week, but we do have hidden talent waiting to be developed.
The only encouragement that we get is from our more experienced players and those past the game saying to move to Europe, or play in BC or Ontario and ofcourse those would be the best options but for us, it might not be feisable. Realistically, what Alberta has done in the past is not as much encourage players to develop, but inhibit them from playing thus forcing us to go to those places. It is a frustrating situation for those that like living where they are and have a life setup. We want to develop our younger players but we don't have the means to do so. So as these players like Will, and Thomas get older, instead of playing for Alberta, they would be the types to pick up to BC. I couldn't blame them because for their game, they would grow substantially playing from that high level. But again for Alberta, this means another year without a provincial team. What our goal should be is to be the place where players come to to play,develop, and teach as opposed to being the place we came from and HAD to leave to get better. Simple things like pulling a team out of the national tournament last minute is a step in the opposite direction especially when the team itself wasn't in on the decision.
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Desire
07-18-2005 11:09 am
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There was no team to pull out of the National Championships. Not enough players said they would play. You make it sound like there were droves of players beating down the door trying to play. That's just not true. FHA entered a team and not enough AB players came out.
It's not hard to play if you WANT to. Unfortunately there is a sense of entitlement that AB players shouldn't have to attend trials and practices (because they play in the oh-so-strong Calgary league) and that these trips should be free. The players are shooting themselves in the foot.
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Will Moss
07-18-2005 2:49 pm
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re: Desire
there was enough players to field a team we had 17 or 18 players that were going to play and were at trials, but after that the commitment wasnt there.
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Woot
07-18-2005 3:39 pm
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Isn't that exactly the point - not enough people came to play (practices). So 18 guys show up to trials. Then some quit, then some don't come to practices. So in reality there were ~12 guys who wanted to play. That's not enough. Do you think provincial programs shouls be based on prima donna players waited to be begged to come play at the last minute? That's what Russ is talking about. These guys can't be bothered to come out for a few weekends.
How hard is it to show up and play? Like "desire" said - tell FHA why people don't want to play. That's the only way things can be changed.
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Woot
07-18-2005 3:40 pm
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re: Will
And good job by the AB U18 boys team in Winnipeg. Great results - and hopefully a great future.
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gbraun
07-18-2005 9:43 pm
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BC1
Although I didn't get to see Nationals, i am not surprised by comments about BC1 and their style of play. Most of these girls have played Provincially for a LONG LONG time. In fact, Rushton, Taunton, Hunt and Timmer have worn a BC jersey since they were 13 years old when we still had a Nationals for U14s. They were a force then and still are a force now. The rest also have this experience and when Nationals roll round, they play for pride, because they love the sport and most of all for FUN!! I realize that National Teams put FUN aside because it's all business, but maybe the pressures of "will I make it or won't I" and "I'm better than her" etc...takes away from the love of the game and FUN of the game. Call me bonkers, but you should even enjoy your 9-5 job or why bother staying with it. Is it any different in a sport??
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SpaceMan Spiff
07-19-2005 12:08 pm
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the Dawg
Continnuing down the path of provincial based Nats is a case of the tail wagging the dawg. People it is your championship, stand up and say what you want the format to be, do not be dictated to any longer. Choose the highly inclusive club format or the highly exclusive 'just for the Canadian Squad" hopefuls.
Not only do we overlook much of the young talent but we also exclude many who have finished with prov, canadian hockey but can still raise the level of the tournament.
I am starting to think that the powers that be would rather lmit the pool to who they like rather than to who is playing, coaching or offciating well despite being outside the 'inner circle"
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RussJ
07-19-2005 12:41 pm
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Woot?
Isn't that the point exactly. How many people does it take to field a team? The ~12 guys there definatly could do it (we would be tired beyond belief but we would love every minute) and how hard is it to make a phone call. We could have easily gotton a couple of players last minute. No effort was made to try. I know I could have had a couple to play. As far as the free aspect, way to miss the boat. That old argument was about our young guys paying 2 levies and thats alot of coin. Of course I don't want a provincial program running of of last minute "begging" and lack of training, but look around. We aren't B.C. with players beating down the door to play. We got to do what we can to play and if that means that some guys have to miss 1 out of our 3 weekend practices so be it. Maybe the thought should be lets not rely on 3 practices immediatly before the tourny, maybe it should be set up earlier, have sessions booked really early so that our preparations can be made to rearrange our personal schedules and this way if a couple of sessions were missed, it wouldn't be as big of a deal. Unfortunately though, these are ideas that have been proposed in the past and been deemed unreasonable and not feasable. The things that you people especially that DESIRE tag don't realize is that our core that were willing to go and play were setting up our own practices without you knowing. WE took the inititive. We sacrificed our time to do this because we felt from previous years that we wern't being supported in the way that we wanted. Myself and Manvir were even toying with the idea of personally renting out the Soccer Centre a couple times a week for those of us that wanted to commit.This is where the financial aspect set us back. So please no more comments on lack of commitment or lack of playing, training, sacrifices because I think that we did just fine in that department. The biggest thing though is what kind of message is being sent by not playing. Do you think that next year effort by most will be there all while there will be that little nagging noise in the back of the head wondering if its worth it hoping we'll field a team. Of course our core group of "kids" will still bust their butts, but guys like Tony who has been very reliable told me that he's probably done with it. Guys like PJ who show'd tremendous dedication in all aspects this year got let down huge. His enthusiasm dropped after that announcement yes lost that desire to keep preping for next year for now. This is what we have to look forward to for next year.
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AB
07-21-2005 11:09 am
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Russ
Let's discuss the program, not people here. In the past, there has been training most weekends. Mostly in Calgary sometimes in Edmonton. Attendance at these is generally poor. It's very difficult for a coach to run a meaningful practice with 8 guys. Players told FHA that they didn't have the time to train every weekend for 8 weeks. So this year there were only 3 weekends. You know the attendance issues (although you weren't at the Edmonton practice). It's confusing when you say you and Manvir wanted to book the soccer centre. I guess there wasn't enough training time. You shouldn't have to set up your own training time - show up to the booked time (announced in early April).
So maybe next year FHA should book lots of practice weekends - will that solve the problem. And yes, there have to be practices in Edmonton and they need to be on weekends so the entire team can train together.
I don't doubt that there is a core group of players that desparately want to play. But overall the players can't be bothered to come out. You say you could have easily got guys to come play to fill up the team. Why weren't they at trials? Why didn't they contact FHA to say they wanted to play but were unable to attend trials? Why didn't they show up to the second practice. My point is that you shouldnt' have to call players and beg them to play.
So tell mw how next year's outdoor seaon should be set up.
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Can Fan
07-21-2005 12:11 pm
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Enter a Team in the VFHL
Come to Vancouver Sept - March with a Provincial team Play Sat /Sun develope a AB Squad over the whole year.
Host a weekend tournament with VFHL at the new Calgary Turf and promote it. Invite Kids who would not otherwise see really good Club Squads from Vancouver and the Selects from Victoria.
Come to Vancouver during the VIT and enter an AB squad.
Make it a year round program that would entice a more players to participate. your U18
boys seemed to do well the last tournament so why not get them to travel to BC to get more hockey exposure. They seem to be AB Hockey's future.
This mad dash for the Nationals doesn't seem to working.
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Malcolm
07-21-2005 2:34 pm
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Russ J
Russ
I admire your enthusiasm in the sport, but I think we need to look at the bigger picture.
1. Athletes or coaches should never be out of pocket and have to book fields for practice i.e. you and Manvire (although I admire you for trying to do that). But if athletes were unwilling to commit to the three schedule practice, would they have come out to the extra time you and Manvire would have booked at the soccer center?
2. My understanding is that the team was dropped because of the lack of numbers to make up a team (11). Will wrote in a previous post that “18 guys come out to trials” which would mean a squad of 16 and 2 red shirts. To have the team down to 12 just before nationals would mean that 6 athletes dropped out. That is an alarming large number to drop out at the last minute. This brings up two points. One, I am sure not all 6 dropped out at the 11th hour, so why did the current athletes not try and find replacements sooner. Statements like “and how hard is it to make a phone call “ after the fact does not help. Secondly, is it possible that all the ground work to get the 18 athletes were futile, because you may have put the wrong eggs in the basket. I understanding wanting to take a strong team to the senior nationals. But what about the juniors ( I am sure that others who want the nationals to be at a higher standard will disagree with me). Yes we would be under skilled but can you imagine the skill that would be developed by having these juniors mentored by a group of seniors at a national tournament. Can you imagine how strong these juniors will be in a year or two from now. We have a talented group of U18 here in Calgary and what I have seen in Edmonton, it is no different. These juniors can hold their own. The issue of the cost to these juniors, well either we move the more talented ones up a group or arrange a payment plan or community service with FHA. Besides our levies are not even close to other sports. I have kids in soccer and gymnastics.
I may be missing the point, but what we are doing now is not working. The athletes have to take an active role. I believe AB is making the same point. We cannot have FHA phone and beg athletes to play on a team. Because if FHA were to phone athlete ‘A’ then they are obligated to phone all the other registered athletes through out the province. I would rightly be upset, if my teammate got phoned by FHA or the coach to play for provincial team this year and I did not. Everyone needs to be treated equally by the association. But an athlete on the team is under no obligation to do the same; they can call anyone they wish.
Looking forward to a stronger senior team next year, complimented with the junior men from Calgary, Edmonton and possible other cities in the province.
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Hockey Fan
07-22-2005 5:09 pm
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RussJ
RussJ,
Given your comments I was wondering if you would be willing to volunteer some time to FHA to help resolve these issues?
Anyone else interested?
As with all organizations there ia always a small few trying to do all the work and have to take all the blame and most of that is inaccurate. So feel free to contact the FHA office and volunteer some time. If you are interested I am sure they would be more than happy to have some help with the senior mens indoor team. They had the same issue last year with not enough interest to field a team after the trials and the last I heard they are always looking for volunteers.
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Jack
08-10-2005 1:05 pm
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Russ
Russ,
Your beating a dead horse that cant move my friend...Field Hockey in Alberta is on a rapid downspiral and its getting out of control...We need leaders to step up the plate.
FHA needs to loosen the purse strings and start to spend some money on Salaries etc for good coaches...
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Coach
08-11-2005 1:12 pm
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re: Jack
Not a bad idea hiring a coach. Do you have anyone in mind? Is this a full time position? There has been talk every year of hiring a coach - but there needs to be a good job description. What are your thoughts? Give us a position outline.
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