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Coach
06-21-2005 7:48 am
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Selection
Its all a joke. Leeboy has his clique and won't budge.
There are much better players than half a dozen he has selected.
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Lee
06-21-2005 11:13 am
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Coach
Great post mate, why not add a little meat to the bones. Who doesnt deserve their chance who do you think should be there given the U21's are away??
Personally I think Lee Boy is doing a good job of looking at a large number of players on the fringes. Yes there will always be those he over looks but I am sure that he wants the best squad possible and there are no hidden agendas in his selection.
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Truth
06-21-2005 1:03 pm
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squad?
Once again No asian Players???..... Its amazing to see Leeboy giving new blood a taste at international level...example... Ben Marsden?.... Sorry Ben Who???
We seem to be Picking up Players we've never heard of?.......
Anyway... good luck to them and to Lee Boy.....
But im pretty sure There are One or two asian players being over looked and deservedly should be rewarded with a chance?
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Bored
06-21-2005 6:09 pm
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Truth Squad?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE NOT THE ASIAN CHANT AGAIN.Change the record. Every new topic there is on this website someone starts on again about the Asians. Give us a break. We have all heard it a hundred times before.
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Lee
06-22-2005 2:45 am
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Truth
Boring.....read the other posts for the reasons why there are no asians in the side at the moment NONE ARE GOOD ENOUGH!!
Ben Marsden is a quality player and has been proving it abroad. I take it you would select your mates from Slough or wherever above him showing up how narrow minded you are!!
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Pizzed off
06-22-2005 3:17 am
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Asian's
Will you just shut up about the bloody Asians...
It so boring and you having nothing to back your useless comments up with.
Your views are uneducated and have no backing or knowledge to them what so ever. I can confidently say no one cares who you are or what your views are. Your unproductive comments are clogging up a website that many people use to air informative and useful comments. Now get lost and go and post your comments on a site where other people want to talk about the england squad and lack of asians.
Lee is doing a top job at the moment. He has given alot of people the opportunity, and more impostantly a ixture of people who have shown good form in a number of different league's. By the time the major competitions come around he will have a more experienced, developed and confident group of players which will no doubt lead to success. If he felt anyone else warranted a go in the team they would have got it. At the moment they haven't. No pizz off and post your comments elsewhere
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fan
06-22-2005 4:51 am
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England selection
It seems as if mr lee fails to understand the number one role of a coach...pick the best players.
it appears as if mr lee has a system of play and picks players who can play in a way that suits his system. perhaps he should pick the best players and then find a system that suits the players.
without the best players he will surely fail to win and therefore to improve our world ranking of 10.
Richard Alexander, james steadman, peter riley, rob Moore, James tindall, ben Marsden, nick Brothers, Jon Ebsworth and ali Wilson...none of which have won a single major outdoor title between them and only 2 of which played in this years super cup. How does mr lee expect to win when he selects players who are not used to winning.
He also manages to only select 4 players form the the 2 sides that claimed the silver medals in europe and which dominated the domestic game.
why would this be i wonder?
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Player
06-22-2005 7:02 am
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Truth Squad?
Well what do you expect. If you look at the percentage of Asian players in UK and look at how many get selected for the squads it's very very poor. This can not be due to the skill, fitness or playing ability. So what is it then. Can somebody let us know so we can do something about it. Also can the HA look at Canada, USA and see if they can take page from their book of team selection. It really is an outrage and so much so that there was a article in one of the HA reports that stated that the HA is concerned about the reduction of Asian hockey players in the last few years. This is due to the fact that peaople have tried and tried and tried without no avail. When players see no light at the end of the tunnel what do you expect. This perception then filters down and nobody really wants to play as there is no light a the end of the tunnel ( This being able to represent the country they are born in).
The peaple that say "change the record" are very narrow minded and really need a wake up call. If nobody is out there fighting to get some asian players in then we have to do it ourselves. If this causes somebody distress then at least we know you are reading the acticles and are aware of the situation.
When Indian or Pakistan are playing you all go out there to watch teams get turned over but when you have the same calibre players over in the UK they are blatantly and I mean blatantly ignored.
I read an article by somebody on this site once that stated that if Shabaz Senior and Danraj Pillay where eligible to play for Eng/GB , they would not get selected. What chance then do the rest of the players here have.
Regards and we are also Bored and would like to change the record if we are to be allowed. Would the please help.
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ex asian england schoolboy international
06-22-2005 8:34 am
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asians
I totally agree,
cut the boring asain talk. we are all dire. no asian playing national league hockey stands a chance. they are all unfit, including myself. we are social animals not hockey international. times have changed and we cant keep up with the pace or demands of international hockey.
as for the england squad... i believe leeboy has picked a young talented squad who within time will return the faith he has in their potential.
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FAN
06-22-2005 9:11 am
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Ben Marsden
Re comments on out door titles. Ben Marsden is a great selection. He played for Surbiton when they were National Champions, runners up in the EHA Cup, played for them twice in European competition and won a bronze medal at the Europeans. He was voted player of the year with Syndey UTS in Australia who got to the league play offs for the first time ever and FC Barcelona are league champions in Spain this year. He is a very good player. Well done Jason for keeping his options open.
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Pedro
06-22-2005 12:18 pm
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FC Barcelona
Yes they won the league but i think you'll find it was the 2nd division!!
Having said that if its good enough for Tindell then its good enough for Marsden.
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overseas
06-23-2005 6:53 am
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Selection for the England team does appear a little perculier.
There is no harm giving players an opportunity to perform at an International level, and to stake their claim at training camp. Maybe training matches should be just that, and not recognised as official test matches. Maybe then the public may get off Leeboys back and let him experiment a bit.
We the public can always voice opinion on who we think should be representing the country, but at the end of the day it is down to who Leeboy wants in his squad. Selection is based on many things; fitness, mental aptitude, specialist skills, etc. I am sure Leeboy has a plan. Recent results for the National side (GB or England) at tournaments have been pathetic. The National side frequently win one off games or test series, often against the top teams in the world. If we scrutinise these games beyond the result itself, we might find out that these teams were also experimenting with different players, systems, etc.
As a short term remedy, he may as well pick players from Cannock or Reading HC; at least these players have learnt how to compete and be successful for a number of years (domestically and in Europe). From these 2 clubs, select the legitimate International players (not retired ones or players who are not prepared to commit themselves to the programme), then fill the gaps with the major talents from the Premier league. I feel players who have aspirations to play for their country should play in the top league. This Tindall guy has scored many goals in an ever weekening lower division; the only way he can reduce his critics is to join a premier league club. I remember Ben Marsden; lovely player, but incredibly slow.
For the sake of English hockey, I hope Leeboy can bring a return to the glory years. Maybe he ought to sit down with the high performance coaches and the coaches from the Premier league clubs and get them to add their bit; there's no harm in the top coaches having a forum for the benefit of the National side (maybe they ought to be listened to with regard selection as well) A programme should be introduced that the top clubs must utilise in their training (as well as their own club programme). At least then players would have a platform to identify with. So when Leeboy does select a player 'from the hat', he should at least understand the playing principals that Leeboy demands.
It is about time English/GB got its act together, and returned to the World Top 5. There are some excellent players who do/could play for England and GB. Cannock and Reading are proof to our capabilities, so why does wearing that poxy rose on your chest make you f*ck it up?!
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Player
06-23-2005 9:41 am
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ex asian england schoolboy international
Speak for yourself. Its that stereo type that we are trying to get away from. If you have nothing postive to say about the cause then please keep your comments about yourself to yourself. You call yourself a ex asian england schoolboy international, and you are talking like this. You are a disgrace. Name yourself and then let all the asian players know who is not in their corner.
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Tiger Tim
06-23-2005 10:06 am
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Its not a poxy rose, its a tiger!
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TinTin
06-23-2005 10:24 am
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leeboy!
How can he know what it takes to win - when he's won nothing in his life as a player!
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scott....ish
06-23-2005 11:07 am
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who cares they are playing wales!. (Fan) you say pick the best players, but have you noticed that the players you have highlighted who shouldn't be there are all aged around 21-25. Maybe, just maybe leeboy is using this opportunity to expose some other players who could peak for olympics. Agree with overseas on england winning the odd test series and exhibition matches, but its tournament hockey that we need to get right. You can draw a parallel with england footy, we play great 'on our day and can beat the best in the world' but its consitancy, tactics and a 7-10 match plan that will win you f##king silverware and lottery money!!!!.
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Coach
06-23-2005 3:04 pm
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TinTin
What an utterly stupid statement.
Why do coaches have to be successful players? Who is Tiger Woods' coach? Did he ever win anything as a player? I think not. Flavour of the month Mourinio what did he win as a player? Sven? Federers coach? pretty sure he wasn't as succesful as Federer. Benitez? need i go on???????
Think before you type!!!
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Hockey Observer
06-24-2005 12:12 am
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Tin Tin
Great comment Coach.
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dougal
06-24-2005 7:49 am
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FAN
Your comments about picking the best players is rubbish. The coach's job is to pick a team that will play for one another and respect and fight for one another on the pitch. This does not mean you have to have the best player in the country playing, becuase he may be just too indivualistic with his style. This is the other problem. Leeboy may have a particular style in mind and as such that may reduce his selection options as very few players are adapt at playing all styles, no matter the sport.
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Legal Asian
06-24-2005 9:26 am
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Selection
If any Asians truely believe that they are being discriminated against they should contact their local MP who will take it up with the appropriate authorities and if your case is proven, EHL could be serverly fined or have additional funding deducted. Don't ever forget our sport is not only funded by the players, but also by goverment bodies and of course "The national Lotto". All your claims can be legal aided funded, so no cost to you.
Maybe this is what we Asians have to do to get recognition.
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Non-Asian
06-24-2005 5:24 pm
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Asian debate.... again.
Agreeing with several above - this is becoming ridiculous - whether talking about bowed sticks, the England selection or U21 WC we get this bl00dy asian debate. GET OVER IT - there are simply no asian players currently playing in the english leagues that are good enough for National selection. As soon as you get some decent talent, wait for them to be picked (as is the system for all players) instead of you trying to prove why every player in the Indian Gym 1st and 2nd team squands should be picked ahead of Jason Lee's side.
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jj
06-25-2005 11:35 am
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Arent you lot swaying away from the point a little! The fact is that there is an international weekend at swansea this week! Stop arguing and pat a little attension to the hockey! Go Wales!
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foggy
06-27-2005 12:15 am
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overseas
I note your comments about Tindall.Jason Lee identified Tindall as a prospect in only his 4th game in div 2.The boy has improved and scored at under 21 and senior level.Lee regularly watches him play and his improvement is down to his coaches at ogs and Jason Lee.He now has his own specialist coach who talks to Leeboy on a regular basis Nic Thompson.When he had a fitness problem this was identified and he was given a personal fitness coach.He wasa pupil at the school and has stayed loyal .He has benifited thru the efforts of all around.The two most local clubs he could join Guildford and Surbiton I am not sure he would benefit from the kind of coaching he would get from those in charge at those clubs so he continues to play the game for fun with his many of his old school mates .His ambition would be to get ogs in the premier and play in the Olympics. I hope he makes it.Then I loved the Rocky films .
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watcher
06-27-2005 2:57 am
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and 3-0 to England in the second game
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P
06-27-2005 7:03 am
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Player
The comment from Asian Schoolboy international is at last one that says it how it is and you should not berate him for giving his opinion on himself and others around him.
You are the guy who is going with stereotypes and seem to be advocating a policy of picking an asian player on grounds other than talent etc. Equality should be for all and quotas do not help why should someone else miss out just to pick someone of different race class religion or colour. GET A LIFE!!
When there is a quality asian player around they will be selected (Harry Jawanda will be next) at the moment there is an obvious dearth of talent and while people like you blame everyone and everything before looking at yourself the situation will not change.
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james k
06-27-2005 2:08 pm
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WALES ALL THE WAY!!NAH ENGLAND PLAYED WELL THEY DESERVED THE VICTORYS BUT WALES HAVE GOT SOME GREAT PLAYERS. BY THE WAY WHO IN BEN HAWES AND DOES HE PLAY FOR GREAT BRITAIN??
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Yorkshire Taff
06-28-2005 7:55 am
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Hawes
Hawes plays for Amsterdam HC in Holland. Formerly played for Surbiton.
Seems to have come on ability wise since playing in Holland - says something about the standard of matches and opposition over there. Plenty of top Aussies, Argies, Spaniards etc.
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Lancashire Rose
06-28-2005 12:11 pm
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Yorkshire Taff
Re Hawes:
His improvement at Amsterdam probably does say something about the standard of matches over there - it probably also says something about the standard of coaching over here!!!!
It's not rocket science: they play very competitive league matches and train four times a week with good coaches so they get better. We play poor league matches and train twice. Doh!
Re Reading and Cannock: I am fed up of this "Cannock and Reading do well in Europe so Leeboy should pick their players and go on to world domination".
Fact: Reading have won ONE gold medal, Cannock none in Europe. Fact: They only play in Europe and there is the rest of the world to consider. How would they fare in a tournament with the best European, Australian, Indian, Pakistani, Argentinian, Korean, Malaysian, Kiwi and S African club sides? I doubt they would be on the podium. They are competitive in Europe, as are England, but would not consistently be a world force - just like England.
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Challenge
06-29-2005 2:40 am
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Lancashire Rose
Sounds to me like you are suggesting a "world club cup". Could be interesting.
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TinTin
06-29-2005 6:54 am
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re:Lancashire Rose
Dont just look at golds!
Cannock and Reading have consistently won European medals of varying colours for a long time now.
Cannock have appeared in several finals recently - the same for Reading.
Youve got to know what it takes to lose and win a final, TO WIN A FINAL!
Losing week in week out in the English leagues or merely being happy with a play off spot is NOT preparing our players for the international scene.
Cannock played Campo with a host of spanish internationals aswell as some top class Argies.
Reading played Amsterdam and we all know about them.
Surbiton playing Teddington WILL not and never will test these players against the best.
Looked at England football. PLayers from Liverpool/Man Utd/Chelsea/Arsenal/Real Madrid - not exactly footballs eqivalents of OG's, Loughts and Surbiton are they!
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informed
06-29-2005 10:28 pm
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dutch training
They do train more regularly but only for an hour.They normally train the day before a match to stop the social drinking.
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Ex Under 21 England player
07-05-2005 10:09 am
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Ben Hawes
Ben is a product of Lewis HC juniors so please don't let either Canterbury who he joined from Lewis before being tempted by Surbition take the credit for his development.
Ben as a young boy was tubby and no great shakes as a hockey player, but had ambition to play for his country, to do this he spent an enormous time in the gym getting fisically fit and worked on his game also. I say well done Ben and good luck.
Ben is the type of player Lee likes because he is manufactured and doesn't have natural talent, but the point is proven that you don't have to have natural talent to become an England international.
Come to think of it very few of the current England squad have natual hockey talent. Just watch them play, they are like robots.
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P
07-06-2005 6:59 am
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Hawes/Lewes
Ben has natural talent which was evident when he was at Lewes but a club like Lewes could only get him so far. His development came on leaps and bounds at Canterbury and again at Surbiton. To say otherwise is foolish
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Sven
07-25-2005 3:08 am
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Ex U21 Player
Great comment stating that ben hawes doesnt have natural talent and that he is in fact manufactured. This is why he has been voted player of the tournament twice in European Club championships once with surbiton and the other with amsterdam. Quite impressive for someone who has no natural talent!
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