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who??
06-01-2005 12:18 pm
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Don't know - does anyone? But good luck to this young squad - understand they haven;t played many matches together - unlike other countries in the junior world cup. HHope they can put it together in time.
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think tank
06-01-2005 2:16 pm
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matts a guildford lad who plays right half/full back. played well at the playoffs i hear which is how he got involved in the set up
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Deano
06-01-2005 3:20 pm
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Matt Fairburn
He left us for Uni (Gloucester City) two years ago and has been a main-stay of the Guildford midfield ever since
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finto
06-01-2005 6:13 pm
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Matt's a class player. Played with him for the past 2 years for the county team - been a great learning experience. Best of luck to the whole squad.
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cotswoldnick
06-02-2005 6:01 am
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results
The lads beat Poland 5-2 yesterday. But a harder game in prospect against Germany this evening.
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mr x
06-02-2005 6:20 am
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Change the slections method
the team has no chance at all . I think they will not even finish in tne top ten, thats how much i rate them.They need a total change of scene, bring in more indian boys, those who have never given a chance. Look at the rest of the national teams they all have indian boys.. Canda played test matches with england last week and look at the results, all which were close. all beacuse they had indian boys playing. At least they were given a chance to play.not like england. Those indian boys who are still in hockey are being driven away because they will never be given a chance to play for england.
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Hump
06-02-2005 7:08 am
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21's
Well done boys, great win. Obviously Mr X has played with / against these players?? Why not bring in Germans and some Chinese?
Players like Cheeseman / Flanagan / Mantell are class and the best indians at U21's level are playing.
Who would you suggest? please enlighten us.
Good luck later boys..
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Interested
06-02-2005 9:11 am
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England v Poland
Good win boys..........does anyone know who the scorers were?
Mr X you are talking out of your a-hole!! Do Germany, Holland, Australia have asian players in their top league's? Answer yes, but they are not good enough for their national sides, exactly the same as in this country (except for Jawanda in the U21's). Have you ever watched national league hockey?
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Kermit
06-02-2005 9:23 am
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Scorers
Mantell, Cheeseman and a Jackson hat-trick all from PC's!! And he's still only 17.
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brains
06-02-2005 10:36 am
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to mr x
maybe the best indian players are playing for india? just a thought.
good look to the england 21 boys against germany
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Humoured
06-02-2005 11:57 am
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Mr X is not talking out of his a*s*, but he could word his arguement better.
There are some top players in this u21 team, like cheeseman, jawanda, etc. But there are some brilliant, talented asians at some of the asian clubs who need the same support from england hockey that these guys in the u21s have had to reach their potential.
Interested, if you had a clue you would'nt make such comments like 'except for jawanda'. He is a top player when fit, but the reason he is there is because along with his talent, he has had the support from the right people (County, Divisional,england,etc.). There are asian guys out there who are potentially better than him (not being disrespectful to Jawanda as he is probably one of the stronger players in this u21 side)! If you know anything about asian hockey in this country (which i doubt) you would'nt be making such comments.
In general the average asian player is far more talented than the average british player. But for some reason there's never more than 1 britsh asian player (if that) in the junior sides. Whys that? Im not suggesting racism. But there is definitely a prejudice against the way we play. And when you see the (lack of) progress being made by our national side, there should not be such a prejudice.
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Mr X
06-02-2005 12:25 pm
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Wake up. Hump, Kermit,and rest
wake up lads,after kulbir and sharwani how many indian boys have played for england. <None>. they were never given a chance. to date forget the national team and look at premier divison they are not given a chance there, so england is out anyway. Those so called boys you lot say might be playing u21 but will never get to play for the senior squad, this is the way the slectors work in england.Look at the squad years back that won the olympics, all off the players used to play with indians boys at club levels, for this reason they went out and won medals. Take a look at england and rate them with the rest of world , they are not even in top 12. Infact canada , south africa, USA, are getting ahead off ENGLAND. Come out of shell and change thats the way the slectors work and thats the way you lot are.
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coach
06-03-2005 12:23 am
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Jackson
Jackson is the very best prospect in English hockey at present. And for Mr X this lad most certainly would walk into any of the top national teams playing at this event.
Mr X you are a bitter man with a big chip on your shoulder, go get a life and find a women who will keep you away from posting your rubbish on this site.
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Tyler
06-03-2005 2:31 am
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Good Result
England U21 1 Germany U21 1. Good result for the boys against a very strong German side. Keep up the good work and good luck at the world cup.
Mr X, you have a valid opinion but this arguement has run it's course on many other threads, can't we for once get behind the young guys who are playing and give them as much support as possible.
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P
06-03-2005 3:07 am
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Mr X
Your argument stinks, and has been played out on this forum many times before (I suggest you read some previous discussion threads).
Next you will be saying we MUST keep at least 8 places in the squad solely for asian talent. RUBBISH.
The cream rises to the top and if good enough and more importantly with asian players they have the correct work and team ethic (thats the problem!!) they will be selected.....THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!
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mr xmen
06-03-2005 4:04 am
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com on mr x
kali taklher and mani kochar both played after sherwani. do u even know who jawanda plays for? stop your moaning. they will get picked if they regularly play well in premier league
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Hump
06-03-2005 4:16 am
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U21's
Well, firstly Mr X that easy victory for Germany came around last evening...oh sorry got it wrong..it didnt. Good draw by the boys!!
Cant comment on the state of play for English Asians getting selected for squads.
But, Mr X lets not let this gripe you have within hockey cloud your judgment on a very talented bunch of players..well done Nicko, hopefully you'll keep proving them wrong.
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Pete
06-03-2005 5:00 am
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Mr X
Can you back up your arguement with names of asian players who should be given a chance to play at junior international level?
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indians
06-03-2005 7:35 am
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by definition they cannot play for ENGLAND. anyway surely we should lpick the best regardless of race. how many indians are playing in the prem who are under 21 , i cant think of many who should get in.
mr x u have no idea, watch some more games and come back with an informed opinion
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Jehangir Khan
06-03-2005 7:51 am
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Impressive reulyt by England against Germany.
But TH Gerrm,ans are clever and do not reveal their full stragtegies until junior world cujp copmes.
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Tin Tin
06-03-2005 8:28 am
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re: Mr X
please please please give it a rest!
Everyone please - do not respond to him.
We are not a racist hockey playing public in england.
Some boys have played such as Soma, Kali and Manprit.
Mr X - i suggest you go talk to these boys about how talented Asian players can become talented England internationals - having played against Soma - i can tell you it was because he had real discipline!
Rant over
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Mr X
06-03-2005 12:18 pm
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You all sound like the coaches and mangers thats why things will never change in part of world.You all have a negatives views of asian boys in this sport. This is the reason you all are falling behind in standards.Dont be so happy with results of u21 in poland, these are micky mouse games, we will see what they do in the world cup games in few weeks time.If you sport you best talent then be there in holland to sport them . I will be there to support them, they have asian ,<Boys> or coconuts i think, those who play in the so called premier divison in this country. Before i log off ,boys has there been a asian boy who wears a turban in a england set up ,In the past or in future. Is this prejudice or Racism.
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Humoured II
06-03-2005 1:47 pm
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Mr X's last comment is true to a degree. Only Soma Singh in the last 10 years has been a 'typical' asian player in the England squad (also maybe Amarjeet degun and Jag Soor - but not sure when they won caps). You cannot count the guy from Reading, he does NOT play an asian style. And some would argue Jawanda does'nt either.
The two asians at Old Loughts do play the 'asian' way.
Also, our prem division is no talent breeder so that arguement is flawed. We should'nt be looking just at this division to find england players. If im correct Jackson and Tindall have made their reputation in the lower divisions. But is it that asians have to prove themselves in the 'top' division? Definitely double standards goin on!
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Disgrace
06-04-2005 8:44 am
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Bad Advert for English Hockey
I've been observing this site for a while now and feel utterly let down by the levels of disrespect, criticism and rudeness from people.
I've been lucky enough to play on various countries and a number of continents, play with and against people of different backgrounds and nationalities. The negativity from the English contingent is utterly disgraceful.
We all give up much of our spare time to be involved in this sport. Surely we should channel this time into finding solutions and constructive criticism to help our players, clubs, counties, leagues.
Let's back the players selected for our U21's and National side and get behind these guys so that they know we are behind them as a nation and then we might encourage more people to take up or sport or come to our country.
The more people involved in hockey then the stronger it will grow. It's easier to criticise than contribute. Ask yourselves, "What am I contributing to Hockey?"
If a person from abroad was thinking of playing hockey in England or a person was thinking of taking up the sport and came to this site then then they would honestly be put off.
Final thought... Mamood Bhatti is probably the best asian player never to have properly represented England
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div 2
06-04-2005 2:39 pm
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The hanspal lad from indian gym got invited to england camps after scoring loads in goals in div 2. He simply wasn't as good as the other boys though
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and the point is??
06-04-2005 4:26 pm
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As was mentioned earlier, why does the announcement of every International squad ignite a debate on why or why not the Asian players have been selected.
This is not a racist nation where sport is considered, especially in hockey where much of the grass roots hockey is played by, and influenced by the Asian communities.
I no longer play, but have played against the likes of Barford and Indian Gym on many, many occasions; and, where there is abolutely no doubt they possess a skill level, first touch and attacking flair that most British born typical 'white' player (for want of a betetr phrase) would dream of having - I don't recall these sides winning anything with their style of play.
The best players get picked, and were there more players from other ethnic backgrounds plaing the game on a greater scale - they too would get picked if good enough.
The best 'Indian boys' that play to a British style (And lets not forget, like it or not that is the style that we have to adhere to) get picked, as do avery other player that is able to represent.
Why can't Mr X etc celebrate the fact that Indian boys, past and present are representing the English/British sides and relax in the comfort that they can make a difference. But Mr X, please do not think that it is racist if 2 or 3 Indian lads do not make it when you feel they should, as there are countless others that fall by the way side at all levels from different racial, social and class upbringings.
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Supporter
06-05-2005 5:46 am
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Results??
Anybody know how the boys did yesterday against Russia?
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Mr X
06-05-2005 8:41 am
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I now agree that its not racist but maybe some should be given a chance! They gave pther youngsters like Seddon and Jackson a chance and look where it got them they are performing well for there country u c my point.
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Mr X
06-05-2005 8:45 am
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I just think they should be given a chance. Look at the likes of Seddon and Jackson they have excelled from being given a chanse
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Insider?
06-05-2005 11:40 am
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The guys lost 2-1 in the final to germany, good game, watts open play goal.
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Observer ***** star
06-06-2005 1:20 am
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Disgrace
Bhatti never had the discipline or heart to be a top flight hockey player and never in anybody's wildest dreams was IMMY good enough to play international hockey in the long term.
I have played against the majority of Asians being nominated in posting on this site and can assure everybody that those who are currently in the English squads or involved in training camps have earned their success and those yet to make the grade should work harder on basics and fitness in order to achieve the hights that others deam their right.
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Re:Coach
06-06-2005 3:23 am
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Take away that boomerang jackson is playing with will he still score corners in january ???
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curious christopher
06-06-2005 9:48 am
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by boomerang you mean the bowed stick jackson is using i guess. correct me if i'm wrong but i'm sure i remember him being a small player. so him flkicking with a straight stick might be out of the question in january. in january flicking wont no longer be a skill for the masses, it'l be left to the powerhouses. so jackson - get in the gym.
anyhow, all the best to the england u21 squad in the world cup. and for the guy who reckons they wont make the top 10. what a joker!!!
And for Mr. X. If you want asian boys in the england squads then get them to move clubs to a reasonably well respected national league team. thats how they'l get recognised, not by sticking aroundn be life long members of 'all asian' teams in this country. I know that tajinder hanspaal had a crack with teddington after an awsome season in div2. Although this didnt work for him, young asian boys should follow his lead. He had the confidence to take that step further like jawanda.
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national league coach
06-06-2005 11:05 am
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Mr X and the rest
I dont know what you boys are arguing about, No true asian player will represent England as all the England setup wants is for players to hit long balls and run, all creativity and skill are out of bounds. Why do you think England have had so many poor performances in major tournaments. Most of the top countries have creative players with a mix of the asian skill and european style of playing. (Elder for Australia, De Noijjer for Holland, and many of the spanish players). I have seen many England games where they run out of ideas when they step into the oppositions half and hit the ball back to their own 25 and pass it around the back. We have all witnessed this in the last olympics with even sean curly mentioning it. What we need is a blend of asian skill mixed with the european fitness and basics. If the indian and pakistani team have the European level of fitness they would wipe the floor with everyone.
Shahbaz Ahmed was a revelation in the dutch premier league due to his skill but also his fitness and pace. Dhanraj Pillay of India played German premier league and was also a star as he was super fit and could combine skills with the european style of playing.
To be honest there are no true asian type players who have the fitness level required to represent England at the moment. If these skillful asians got the FITNESS into their game than they have as good a chance as anyone.
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SSC
06-06-2005 11:13 am
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RE: Observer Star
i agree with Observer Star, those not given a chance yet, need to work harder and earn that right to be in the squad as the lads there now, asian or non-asian.
Good to see a few lads are there and been given a chance. Certainly encourages me to support england in major tournaments.
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coach
06-06-2005 11:37 am
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Jackson
Ashley Jackson is so committed he is probably already practicing with sticks without the bow. I bet you he still scores loads of goals and creates 10 times more than he scores, as he is most certainly not a one dimensional player.
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06-06-2005 3:34 pm
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Sticks
Wait till you see the stick Jackson and certain others will be using next year, straight stick with a 25mm bow just above the head, wether they will allow it or he can play as well remains to be seen
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sergeant steven
06-06-2005 4:34 pm
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sticks
Item 3.3.k specifies ?any curvature along the length of the stick must have a continuous smooth profile along the whole length?. Curvature solely or predominantly towards one end of the stick is therefore not permitted.
does that answer your question??
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P
06-07-2005 3:20 am
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National League Coach
Of course Shabaz and Pillay have shown their talent they are absolutely 100% class and are the best players to emerge from Pakistan and India for a long time - a very rare talent. We cannot just pick a player of that calibre from thin air.
Looking back all of the top asian talent emerging over the past decade/15 years have either lacked the heart, discipline or ability to perform at the highest level. Amerjit didnt appear to care to much about the England jersey, Jag was far to big, Immy was a loose cannon and very disruptive. More recently Tejinder Hanspaal was just not good enough, the loughts boys havent progressed as they were expected to.
Its not the lack of opportunity but the lack of talent out there!!
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monkey
06-08-2005 6:29 pm
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the arguement
I have played with ashley jackson at tunbridge wells under 18s, before he become the dogs nutts! a fanstastic player and now, but! he only became able to drag flick when the gx5000 megabow came out! and with his frame of mind with the large bow sticks beong banned, he will losse pactices, and go back to the skills that he knows best, scoring from open play with a straight stick! I play with Ben Cowling at the uni i go to and its a waste he has not be mention in the world cup squad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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06-08-2005 6:29 pm
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What i'm saying is the reason they did well is that they had the fitness of europeans and pace. (I know no ones in their calibre and i'm not saying that)
For example the two boys at old loughts have got very good skill but are not fit at all. Tejinder Hanspal has the same problem. Hes a good goalscrorer but needs fitness and pace to go to the next level! Unless asian players get this into their game they have little chance of being selected.
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West suporter
06-09-2005 2:45 am
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GK (Monkey)
If you put Cowling in - who are you going to leave out. Gollan who plays premier league and already proved himself at international level - or Halpin who has played well and deserves his place!Cowing is no 2 to Sheridan, who is on the same level as the U21 keepers.
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Mate
06-09-2005 3:39 am
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Monkey
You state you played in the same under 18 team as Ashley Jackson for Tunbridge Wells, based on the fact that AJ has played for East Grinstead for the past 4 years this would have made him 13 when you last experienced his great skills.
Ashley since moving to EG has improved his game and become at the tender age of 17 an England under 21 international with 4 goals in as many games. AJ is one of the most committed players I have ever known and will undoubtedly become a full international in the fullness of time.
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Mr Singh
06-09-2005 3:39 am
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Asians in the Premier
Soma Singh was great
Kali Takher was a fantastic player
Mani Kocher is also a fantastic player.
All 3 have combined European passing games with individual skill.
After these guys - there has been no one in the leagues who have played at the top level for any decent length of time.
There are many reasons why there arent, but complaining is what we always do and always will.
I suggest to any Asian reading this thread, get your son inspired by hockey.
You never saw Steve Redgrave complaining, you never see Kelly Holmes complaining!
So why must we - if you are good enough then talent shines through.
Allowing this talent to rot in lower league clubs where bad habits and average performance is acceptable will not allow your sons to show what they can truly be.
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Slingshot.
06-09-2005 8:22 am
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seargent steven said:
"Item 3.3.k specifies ?any curvature along the length of the stick must have a continuous smooth profile along the whole length?. Curvature solely or predominantly towards one end of the stick is therefore not permitted.
does that answer your question?? "
I noticed this rule too, however this was in the rule books last year and the bow used by abbas, Kwan Browne, Jackson etc. were deemed legal despite being an obvious kink rather than a bow.
I have also seen many of the prototype sticks in manafacture for next season, and alot of them are incorporating a lower bow to reduce clearance but still maintaining the slingshot action. For example the kookaburra L-Bow... these certainly do not have a long continuous curve. more of a defined sway at the head of the stick, but i can't see them being deemed illegal. I really think the FIH needs to get it's act together on this issue.
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Horatio
06-09-2005 8:50 am
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Ashley Jackson is one of the most naturally talented players I have seen at his age. Head and shoulders above the other U18s.
The only thing standing in his way is the slightly rash streak he has. He knows that - he was kicking himself in the dugout after being sent off against Teddington in the play-offs.
Still - he'll get a chance to prove himself at the Junior World Cup. He might even get to flick the odd corner when Dixon's off the pitch.
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Ben Payne
06-09-2005 9:33 am
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Ashley Jackson
AJ is my favourite young player at the moment, he's wonderful to watch and admire. But keep your eyes open 'cos we have another up-and-coming star at EG in the name of John Fitzpatrick. He's a big guy but will certainly be one to watch in the future, if he can keep his weight problem under control.
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06-09-2005 11:04 am
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Ashley Jackson
I know AJ and he will be highly embarrassed by all these postings, so plese give him a chance and chat about something else.
Also whoever is proporting to be Ben Payne (probably Fitzy himself) should know he doesn't have access to a computer on the golf course.
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Cape Daisy
06-09-2005 5:40 pm
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Halpin and Co
Halpin's selection is no surprise as most of the goalkeeping competition for this squad has dropped out with injury.
Gollam will be the first choice and will do ok provided he can get over the hype that hes has been building up about himself this year. The truth is that he has had a very average season at Firebrands.
Not much to say about Cowling except that he will continue to improve at Canterbury under David Bunyan although he is rightly no.2 to Sheridan.
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Ben Payne
06-09-2005 6:05 pm
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Internet access
Managed to get round that prob - whilst modeling for Matalan i have the opportunity to use the computers inbetween shoots and also before they air-brush out Wayne my precious wart... Long-live John Fitzpatrick.
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Fitzy
06-10-2005 6:19 am
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Ben Payne
I hear that Ben Payne is giving up hockey to concertrate on golf which I am reliably informed he is currently playing of + 4.
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Ben
06-10-2005 2:58 pm
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Cape Daisy
What's your angle? Only Gooderham is injured and Halpin deserfes his place. Gollan has played well at Firebrands but had had inuries also last season. As fpr Sheridan - he tries hard but he's no natural talent - Halppin is better.
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Cape Daisy
06-12-2005 9:41 am
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Halpin
Ben you clearly have a decent grasp of what makes an international quality goalkeeper. I ask you this: Are England trying to produce world class players for their senior side? I am sure you will therefore agree that Halpin will not attain this level.
My basis for this comment. He is far too small. Watch him at penalty corners. Flick it in any corner and he does not get to it. Not only my view but that of those who are doing the flicking! It's such a large part of the game that I don't think it can be discounted regardless of how good he may be in other areas.
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Monkey
06-12-2005 11:14 am
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Mate
Ashley was sitting his gcses when i palyed with him, and if im not mistaken will 18 in a few months! Sure your not mistaken with his younger brother wesley? Ashley will make the full international team with his eyes closed, as will the pryce brothers! Reffering to Ashley's "boomerang" stick, speaking to Ben Cowling on friday, Ben said that Ashley does all training and warm ups with a straight so he's preparing for the ban already, he just gets his boomerang out for games. And for he flicking Ben has been comparing him to the likes of Dave Matthews and Calum Giles. And Giles has been top goal scorer in a southern premier league (not the same standard) with a straight stick from short corners! Ashley has the ability to learn the straight stick style!
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Jack
06-13-2005 4:23 am
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Cape Daisy - please let me know when you have seen Halpin play in an international match? Speaking to alot of the players in the squad they have all spoke of his quality and his massive improvement throughout the season. As well as this, despite what you say, Halpin, from what the majority of the squad have said, has outplayed Gollam when it has come to the games. he must be given a chance, and over the next few months i am sure we will see if he will make the seniors.
As far as size goes it is ir-relevant. Look at Jimi Lewis and Nick Brothers, they are not big, the days of keepers at Masons Size are over.
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06-13-2005 8:53 am
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Agree with Cape Daisy. Combination of Gooderham/Golan would have been the best. Bad luck for Gooders that he is unfit and heard Golan still trying to regain best form following few minor injuries. Good luck to all the lads.
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Asian player
06-14-2005 12:12 pm
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Uncles shut up
knowing the set up at indian gymkhana and other asian clubs, the old schol asian players just don't know how develop young talent. They are too harsh and don't encourage youngsters, there is a lack of young asian players because youth development in asian hockey in this country is very poor. The pool of asian players has diminished rapidly as youngsters are not given opportunities at asian clubs due to politics and bad team spirit. just look at the demise of barford and indian gym, it is not down to opportunity, it is down to not having players of high enough quality. If these old boys want to see more asian players in the set ups do something to help the youngsters, rather than critise them and the system. Given that Bhaji Flora is coach at indian gymkhana says it all really.!!!!
There is hardly any discrimination if any at all in the current game. GET OVER IT!!! its not 1972
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ANDY
06-15-2005 5:56 am
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GKS & Jack
When it comes to GKs size no longer matters! That's the most stupid comment I have heard on this thread - gks need to dominate and midgets won't hack it. However he may be talented in other areas - Halpin is simply not good enough and not big enough to intimidate in the circle and inspite of what you say - I have it on good authority that he is not the keeper the lads want in the circle, particularly when it comes to corners and penalties!!!
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Porky
06-15-2005 7:36 am
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Young Asian players should look to intergrate into other clubs outside the bog standard Asian clubs, such as those you mention. I believe if you are any good, you will progress and benefit more rapidly than with clubs who do not have the coaching inferstructure such as I.G & Barford. It will also broaden your experience of playing with good european players.
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player
06-15-2005 7:37 am
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to be fair Halpin has taken his chance and has played well in the games - but if Gollam is on form there is a huge gulf betwen them and Halpin's just not the same class. Brothers is not small, incidentally, nor is Fair, Taylor, Ebsworth or Sheridan, Cowling.
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Asian player mac 2
06-15-2005 11:32 am
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Asian Player
The problem with the likes of Bhaji is, he comes from the Slough era when most of the Asian players blamed everybody but themselves for any colour prejudices that went on in the game. It is precisely why I and my family would not & do not play for a predominately Asian club as it is my experience that the older generation pass on their bias thought processes to the younger players.
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06-16-2005 5:08 am
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halpin/hoare
if halpins earnt his place then everyone just leave it out he's a quality keeper and the coaches wouldn't have picked him if he wasnt up to it.
also wheres mikey hoare, he's easily good enough to demand a place in this squad, just another example of favouratism towards the south again. anyone that has seen him play this year will see he's a quality player.
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olly
06-16-2005 10:18 am
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halpin
fair play to halpin he has taken his chance with the injuries and everything and has worked as hard as anybody in that squad. as for his performance at corners well im doing research into predicting the direction of drag flicks using pre release visual cues for my masters dissertation and hopefully will be able to help out halpin and the other keepers before the world cup starts.
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EX Indian Gym Uncle
06-16-2005 11:12 am
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Asian Player mac 2
You are correct in your article together with the other Asian contributor regarding Bhaji Flora, but Indian Gym are fortunately better now that a number of ex Slough players have returned to their roots back in Slough.
It is inbred into a number of players both European and Asian to pass on through sport racist / colour agenda's they hold for what ever reason, which breeds animosity toward opponents and bad feelings which has to stop if Asian youngsters are to integrate and be selected for English International teams.
I know many clubs and players who refuse to play against Iandian Gym because of their behavour and dirty tricks which they think it skillful and clever. Like Mac 2 my family no longer play at an Asian club as they need to understand and be taught the right way of playing and offer good sportsmanship to all opponents.
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Keeper
06-17-2005 7:20 am
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Olly
Sounds interesting - anyone know the name of the GK Coach who chose Halpin?
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Gym Observer
06-19-2005 5:50 pm
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Indian Gymkhana and the Flora effect
its not healthy, I have seen indian gym recently and the culture within the club is appauling, the likes of bhaji 'on the beach' flora are encouraging kids to grow up with bad habits and negative attitudes. It is unsurprising that gymkhana have struggled to get anywhere within the last 10 years, there are some people within the club who are very decent, but the general level of arrogance amongst certain players is unjustified given that they are a club on their way out of the national league. This is the reason why no decent asians are coming out of this club and until these issues are addressed internally I would ask all the fellow asians to stop moaning!!!!
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Indian Gym Asian Boy
06-20-2005 1:09 am
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Can anybody recommend another club locally I should join along with 4 of my mates, as we all have ambitions to play at the highest level. And I agree with earlier postings that unless Indian Gym clean up their act and attitudes they are destined for the regional leagues at best.
PSDLM
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06-20-2005 7:49 am
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I have been following comments made on asian talent ( asian hockey) by you all so called hockey lovers.Mr P (National league coach) mentioned Amerjit who didnt care about his england shirt and Jag to BIG. I am ex international hockey player and played most of my hockey around asian boys like Amerjit and jag.These two players were in a different class ,they could both walk into any international team. Amerjit did play for england on few occasion when slected but was victimized and had no chance , Jag fell into the same trap and about his body size. They both were very talented and very fit but the so called slecters never gave them any chance Whats disappointing now and in past, the coaches when they go for their badges are given a negative feedback about asian talent, style, and fitness and this goes down the ladder to all you hockey lovers.Why dont we all get behind asian talent and bring this country to the top again. What we must realise is that the level achived over the years was due to the ASIAN talent coming to this country in 70s. Lets all work side by side and bring this country to the top.
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06-21-2005 2:41 am
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Ex England Player - Jag and Amerjit
Jag and Amerjit were fantastic in a Barford shirt I grant you I really enjoyed playing against them.
But Jag was not fit enough and was too big to last 1 full game let alone a tournament. Amerjit was a great player but when he played for England he looked lost without his brothers and Jag around him. There can be no denying these facts!!
Read the posts again and you will see that there is a dearth of Asian talent why? Because of the lack of integration as Asian lads tend to be coerced into playing for second rate sides and do not look to better themselves playing at a higher level. The sooner this happens we may rise to the top of international hockey again
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