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May 7, 2001 5 out of 5
Jakub R Kumoch
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This year several big world events will be played in a new FIH-sposored formula. Both women's and men's Junior World Cup and qualifiers' participants will be split into 4 pools, each one consisting of four teams. The FIH Executive Board is going to decide whether 2002 World Cups will be held the same way as well. The other option is more "traditional" one - 2x8 format with every team playing 7 matches in round robin and 2 in the semifinal and final phase.

To those who do not feel knowledgeable about the history of hockey, I will remind you that today's discussed 4x4 format was abandoned after the 1960 Olympic Games in Rome due to its partiality and unjustice. Since then in every FIH event both at the Olympic Games and the World Cups the participants have been divided into two pools.

Here I would like to give you several reasons I think the new system will neither strenghten the world hockey nor make the World Cup events more attractive:

1. The main idea of 4x4 format is that after three matches half of the teams are eliminated which means the best they can do is 9th place. For such teams like Canada, Argentina, Poland or Malaysia the main aim is to find itself among the 6 or 8 best teams. If they are out just after 3 matches their competitive motivations will be less then weak. In Rome (1960), where the 4x4 format was used for the last time, two teams (Poland and Denmark) even withdrew. Their olympic committees did not see any reason to fight for respectively 9th and 13th place.

Now, if FIH decides to make a soccer-style competition, we will have 8 unhappy teams playing for 9-16 places and the final competition of the best eight teams automatically turns into another (and a bit bigger) Champions Trophy. Shall we agree that two elite tournaments the same year is a bit too much?

2. According to what was said above, hockey invented its own way to hold the biggest tournaments. Two pools guarantees each team it won't be eliminated and almost always have its chance to get higher in the final standings. Do you remember unforgettable Sydney olympics? Argentina finished 8th, Poland was last, but if these two squads gained just two points more, they could have found themselves in the "medal zone". The two pool system guarantees in the situations like this that every match played in the round robin can be vital.

3. Now at first glance at the agenda of Edinburgh qualifier we can openly forsee which match in every pool will be the most important one. Can someone believe India will lose any point in the first round, playing against Egypt, Wales and USA? At the same time we can imagine the Americans, where men's hockey didn't achieve any successes last time, can have serious problems with gaining any points. In this circumstances only one match (Egypt – Wales) will decide who is going to take part in the World Cup.

4. There is another danger in 4x4 format as well. Nothing bad will happen if the quarterfinal participants will be let's say Holland, Germany, Korea, Pakistan, England, Australia, India and somebody else. But what if some of the best teams are out after the first phase. And only one match can decide it. Can we imagine let's say Korea being well motivated to fight for the 9-16 places and its world class players playing most of the tournament being aware the next chance of winning the World Cup will be in 2006? What will FIH people do if one of the eliminated teams is the host Malaysia? Are they conscious how much interest the World Cup will lose? This is the problem football giant FIFA always had when soccer World Cup competitions were held – what to do not to loose the host team? They couldn't of course follow the hockey way. The number of teams taking part in football World Cups is twice the size.

5. Soccer gives us another example to describe how unjust and dangerous a group consisting of 4 teams can be. This is FIFA's problem as well, and so far they do not know how to deal with it. Imagine the situation like this. There are two favourite teams in a pool. Let's call it A and B. This are followed by a weaker ones (C and D). The first two rounds results are as follows: A beats B and C, and two other matches D-C, D-B end with draws. The standings before the last round is as follows.

1. A team 6 points
2. D team 2 points
3. B team 1 points
4. C team 1 points

The A team is now MATHEMATICALLY SURE it will remain the first even if losing the last game! It can only let D win and eliminate that way B, if it's considered more dangerous. That's how one good team can get rid of a strong opponent. B can only wait for the A-D result. Even 100:0 victory will not help them if A decides to throw the game.

Is this just a theory? Not exactly. It was what happened twice at the 1998 soccer World Cup with Norway "sensationally" beating Brazil 2:1 in the last game and Nigeria losing to Paraguay 1:3. That's how Spain and Morocco, despite playing more effective and playing better football, were knocked out of the competition.

In football they cannot avoid the situation. The 32 teams taking part in the World Cup cannot be divided in any other way but into 8 pools of 4. Hockey however with 16 teams playing gives us opportunity to avoid it quite efectively. Of course I'm not saying a situation like this is not possible within the 2x8 formula, but its consequences are not so automatically dangerous.

6. Another reason against the FIH proposed change is that the 2x8 format seems to be more ... democratic. Even the weakest team playing in the World Cup has opportunity to play against two of the four World best teams. Let's imagine Cuba, who will play in the World Cup finals for the first time. Is there any other opportunity for them to play let's say both against Holland and Pakistan at the same tournament? If we let the World Cup participants be shared into four groups, the Cubans and other teams who are not the favourites will play one match against some of the best, and most of the tournament they will play with the teams which are expected to be at their level.

7. The final conclusion is that we will see the whole absurd of 4x4 format this year at the World Cup qualifier in Edinburgh. In theory, the tournament will last 13 days. In practice it will end after first 5 days. When the first round is over we will know the names of 8 teams who are sure they WILL NOT GO TO MALAYSIA and they have nothing to play for. Those who are first or second in their groups will be ALMOST SURE they have qualified. Their only aim will be not to be the 8th.

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Despite the arguments I have given I'm sure the idea of 4x4 will prevail anyway.

I have read somewhere that FIH has not yet taken the decision (oficially it has to be announced after the Edinburgh qualifier) and only the Malaysians are still trying to fight for 2x8 format and make sure they will have something to play for after the first games ... The FIH concept embraces the whole idea of changes, but is it really something good for hockey?

Jakub R. Kumoch
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Tom
05-07-2001  7:37 pm
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This guy puts forward some convincing arguments here. It does seem possible that you will lose some of the excitment that comes from the 6 or 8 team pools. Look at the olympics when GB looked to be in serious trouble until the last round of pool play. As I see it a 2x8 system may be more interesting but with 9 games it may just end up being a case of he who is still standing at the end wins.

Just a point to those who may be interested. I believe the world ice hockey championships (currently on going in Germany I think) have a 4x4 system. Perhaps FIH should have a look at their system and see how satisfied people are with it.
Yan H.
05-07-2001  8:22 pm
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To Tom: The Ice Hockey World Championship is played first in 4 pools of 4 (each team plays 3 games), but 3 in each pool advance to the next round that is played in 2 pools of 6 (you carry the games you have already played, so each team plays 3 additional games). Then it is a knock-out phase with 1/4, 1/2 then final.

If you go all the way, you end up playing 3+3+3=9 games
Michael Mahood
05-08-2001  2:53 am
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I'd like to see a 2x8 system with the top four in each pool advancing to the quarters. The quarterfinal matchups would be both exciting and perhaps enable a new combination of teams to advance to the semis rather than only the traditional powers. A little NCAA 'March Madness' basketball excitment and the possibility of huge upsets is what the world of hockey needs.
Hari Kant
05-08-2001  4:14 am
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Now that the official roster has expanded to 18 players with 16 dressing for each game, teams will be able to last for 9 (maybe even 10) games over a two week period.

For the athlete, when you go to a World Cup, you want to play games. With a two pool format, you are guaranteed to play at least half of the best teams in the world.
Jakub R. Kumoch
05-08-2001  7:21 am
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Hi guys. The systhem ice hockey use is a bit dangerous as well. Look at it! 4 teams in each pool, three of them go further, but the results of their matches still count in the next round. What does it mean? Imagine a situation like this - Holland, Poland, Canada and let's say Cuba play in one pool. Holland beat everybody 4:0, so Canada, Cuba and Poland are going to decide which two teams will go to the second round. Canada beat Poland 2:0, but unexpectedly Cuba beat Canada 2:0 as well. The last match is Poland - Cuba. In last minutes Poland is leading 3:0. Does it really suit Poland? No it doesn't. If they finish the game winning 3:0, Holland, Poland and Canada will go further, but Poland will have no points and a goal difference 0-6 (the Cuba match won't count). And if the Polish let Cubans shoot a goal winning only 3:1, Canada (2 poits, goals 2:6) will be eliminated and Holand (9 points, goals 12:0), Cuba (3 points, goals 3:7) and Poland (3 points, goals 3:7) will go further. So the best the Polish can do is not winning too much. Is it really something promoting fair-play? In this situation the Polish would be simply stupid if they won Cuba more than 3:1, 4:2 or so!!!! In basketball where the same systhem was adopted (4x4 format in the first round with 12 teams and 2x6 format in the second one) in the European Championship, they counted all the results including this one with the fourth team. But it meant it was a common round robin in one 8-team pool, but one round was not played. I think playing 9 games in whole tournament (as it was during 1964, 1968 and 1972 Olympic Games) is better than playing 8 but being sure after 3 of them you wan't be the world champions.
Shawn Hindy
05-08-2001  9:33 am
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I like the comments and article very much. In the 4x4 system you cannot slip up for one second or you can be eliminated. I agree with Mahood and think the 2x8 format, followed by a quarterfinals and semifinals and finals will be much more exciting for fans and players alike. March Madness is one of the best sporting events to watch and would be awesome to see in hockey.
I also believe that some of the games in the WCQ will not go as predicted and that we should wait and see what happens there and not base a teams strength on what happened in the past. See you Canadians at the Cal Cup? Adios.
no pools
05-08-2001  11:32 am
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as a player i never liked the 4x4 pool system. at big tournaments the thrill is playing against all the teams (or as many as possible). of course this may mean more games and make it a tougher tournament but isn't that was winning is about????
it will never happen though if the european are to decide (read fih) as they want to make sure their teams get through in the easier possible way.
the 2000 olympic pool system is by far the best to play in.
hockey fan
05-08-2001  11:41 am
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The 4x4 format allows for the team that plays the best over the two week period to be the world champion. Why should a team be allowed a second chance at a World Championship? The team that wins all the games in the format - whichever it is, can legitmately be called a CHAMPION.
The only flaw in the 4x4 format is that of placing the teams from 2-16. Sure if a team has a bad game in the first round and does not get to the top 8 - they could be upset. But then again, it is a world championship and on that day they were not good enough to win and hence must accept the consequences of not doing what was necessary to get to the next round.
In 1998 - Holland won the title, but if one remembers the last pool game - they were thrashed by Germany. yet the format for that tournament allowed them to get to a final and never play Germany again. So the quesiton will always be - where Holland better than Gemany in the tournament? 4x4 pools or whatever system is decided should bring forward the team that plays the format and the other teams the best and hence be called the world champion.
no pools
05-08-2001  11:13 pm
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obviously holland didn't need to beat germany in the round game therefore demonstating the flaw in this system. every game should be important and who benefitted by holland losing to germany.
hockey fan
05-09-2001  12:26 am
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Holland was the beneficiary of losing to Germany in a 2pool (6 in each pool) tournament. They did not have to face an in form Spain the semi finals. I see you agree there is a flaw in the 2 pool system and think you agree wiht me that 4x4 is a more cut throat system that does not allow for a bad match by a team that ultimately wins the championship.
promoting the game!
05-09-2001  10:58 am
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I have a very strong view on this matter. If we are trying to attract spectators to the major events on the hockey calender it is crucial that the format be 2 pools x 8 teams. As someone involved in the marketing of the Women's World Cup to be held in Perth, Australia it is a difficult task to get spectators to commit to purchasing tickets when only 3 rounds of the 64 game event can be determined. At least 2 pools of 8 teams allows true promotion of the game and encourages people to purchase tickets without having to 'guess' fixtures after the first round. Hockey must do every thing it can to help itself in the area of marketing and this one area it can assist in attracting spectators! The other very important issue of it being a fairer competition should in itself be enough motivation for FIH to consider that format as the preferred option!
Hari Kant
05-09-2001  12:13 pm
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RE: promoting the game!

This is an important point. At the Sydney Olympics, many people were scrambling to exchange tickests for the classification matches after the wild changes in standings on the final pool day.

A 4x4 format will make it impossible for fans to get the games they want after the first three games.

Will the FIH set up a 'ticket exchange' booth?
Jamal (Jake or Jammy)
05-09-2001  3:34 pm
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Pity the 8 teams that are on their fourth game, suddenly playing in an completely empty stadium, while they can see the cameras rolling in for the "IMPORTANT GAMES".
Andy Duncan
05-11-2001  1:56 pm
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I think it is interesting that Mike and Shawn both like the idea 2x8, but compare it to March Madness. To me, March Madness is great because you are eliminated if you have one bad game. The result is that the "best" teams during the season don't always make the finals. I think that contradicts the "second chance" nature of the 2x8 format.

Having said that, I like the 2x8 as I think it better reflects who the strong teams are. A single upset is not as devestating.
Amarjit Singh
05-13-2001  6:31 am
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This article is important for the future of hockey.What are international tournaments about fitness, skills,strategy,teamwork and goodwill.If a team cannot play
8 matches within a span of two weeks then they have no reason to be there.So also if FIH cannot afford to host a 15 day tournament than then they should not host these games.I believe that the member countries should reject
the propsed changes to the present format.
Sandeep
05-14-2001  12:08 am
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No matter how the teams are ranked after the first round (2x8)each should have a chance to move forward in a single elimination format.
Last team standing wins.
It will produce upsets maybe Poland upsets Holland in the first round. Each game will be critical and it will give the opportunity to some not so powerful nations to get a shot no matter how they rank in the preliminary rounds. Every game would be exciting for the players, officials and most importantly the paying fans.

You may say that the weaker teams should not get the opportunity to have equal footing as the traditional powerhouses in the elimination round but then why include them in the first place. Imagine the number of games that could be decided by the golden goal. Imagine we may actually see a cinerella story emerge, when was the last time you saw that in any big Hockey tournament??
players vs spectators??
05-23-2001  6:43 am
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Having played international hockey for 11 years and the various formats the bottome line is you have to win every game to win the tournament. the best format played is the 4 x 4. You have to win every game and although difficult for spectators, do we the athletes play for only the spectators or do we play to win the tournament. The 2 pool system can mean that you can win be in the play-offs with 2 games remaining?? That is easier for the better teams. They meet the weaker teams, make the final and relax the final couple of matches before the play-offs??
Each game should matter to a team competing at major tournaments. if this was not to occur you will hae teams in the 2 x 8 calculating who they can beat just to make the play-offs. Every game SHOULD MATTER and if not then why play a tournament at all.?
hockey fan
05-23-2001  4:14 pm
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Any spectator argument is not valid - the only game that should be a sell out is the home team game. In the 1998 world cup - the most succesfull one to date as far as spectators go - only the Dutch games were a sell out. Most of the other games had a sprinkling of spectators and even the semi finals that Holland did not play in had a less than full stadium. Hockey can get better and try to sell out every game but which country will do it?
As for the 4x4 - it allows for the drama of sport to be introduced. The format should not be knocked before it is even tried. How bad has the junior world cup for women been for all the teams? By the weekend, the best team will be the junior CHAMPION and then we can analyse how the system works.
Jakub R. Kumoch
05-25-2001  4:05 am
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The argument new systhem make you win all the matches if you want to be World Champions is a funny one. With the 4x4 format you can be a title-winner without winning any match at all. Imagine this: in a 4-teams group you can theoretically qualify being 2nd when you loose one game and have two draws. That is when the best team beat every three others, and the remaining nations share the points. The final standing is like that:

1. A 9 points
2. B 2 points
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3. C 2 points
4. D 2 points

So B qualifies to the second round with no game won, only thanks to the goal difference. If the same scenario repeats in 4-team quarterfinal group, B qualifies for the semifinals with 4 draws and 2 losts. In the semifinal and final match they can draw as well winning on penalties. So the final result of the World Champion title-holders is: 6 draws and 2 lost. Where's the rule you must win everything, so?

Meanwhile if you have an 8-teams group, could you imagine a team with no wins qualifying to the semifinals? I can't! The best result for a team like that is 7 draws. So in practice that means that ALL 28 GAMES SHOULD HAVE ENDED WITH A DRAW if our team wanted to go further. There are others scenarios as well, but they are more or less as probable as the one above.

Let's make another study. How many points do you need to be the World Champion in a 4x4 format competitions. As I've mentioned yet: 2+2+1+1 = 6 (out of 8x3 = 24 - the most you can get). How many do you need to be the World Champion in a 2x8 format: in theory you can have 6 in the round robin (6 draws and a lost to a team which won every game) + 1 in a semifinal and 1 in the final game = 8 (out of 9x3 = 27). Means that 25% is enough in 4x4 format while around 30% is necessary in a 2x8 format.

Where's the logic so?
Joe
06-12-2001  2:08 pm
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The 4-way system is far more exciting than the new version, that of eight teams in one group. But this guy proved his point.
But what if a team fought really hard throughout the tournament and ended third out of eight? That will be surely dissapointing. Or?
Jim
07-31-2001  3:15 pm
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It sounds good to me
We could ponder a 20-22 player national team system like soccer and use the 8x2 system. This means more players training at an international level. Thats more players to choose from for starting a professional league.
shahbaz
08-16-2001  3:04 am
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04-12-2002  2:04 pm
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05-27-2005  8:47 am
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