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Robert Short
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During my three-year hockey career here in Holland I have spoken to many players around the world who either play abroad, or, who have shown some interest in playing abroad. Whatever comes of these conversations? Why don’t more players try to play hockey in another country?

So this made me think that there must be many players who are interested in playing in another country but never actually get the ball rolling. I think the biggest deterrant for players wishing to make the move to hockey in another culture is ‘fear of the unknown’. So many players seem to want to do it, but don’t seem to find the proper contacts, or the proper agreement to move away from their hockey homes.

So when thinking about how to write this article, I thought it may be of interest to other hockey players to hear if some insight from a number of players that have played, or are currently playing, in Holland. I asked them to express their feelings about life and hockey in Holland. It was interesting the information I received.

Below is a selection of the comments I received:

“How would you describe your experience playing hockey in Holland?”

Brent Livermore currently plays in Holland, in Eindhoven, for Oranje Zwart. He was the center half for the Australian Bronze Medal team at the Sydney Olympics. Since arriving here in Holland with two other Australian Internationals, he has helped Oranje Zwart to one of its best seasons ever. They sit number one with expectations to win the playoffs starting next month.

”Ignoring the sub zero training sessions, I have enjoyed the match celebrations, the
opportunity to have a holiday in Europe, and the tough contests week in week
out. Hockey in Holland has been a very valuable experience for me as a whole.

It has allowed me to develop as a player and a person. It has given me very valuable
insight to the playing styles in Europe.

Unfortunately, some players, umpires, supporters, and officials do not seem to be welcoming
foreign players with open arms. However, the majority of people, especially here in the south,
 at OranjeZwart, are very welcoming, offering us never-ending support, guidance and help.”

 

James Elmer has recently retired from International duty with the Australian National Team. He also earned a bronze medal at the Syndey Olympics. He now finds himself living in Holland playing for HGC in Den Hague.

Having been to Holland before I was well aware of  the things to expect on
arrival. The people are friendly and very helpful, and my lack of ability in speaking
the Dutch language is not a problem. As for the hockey, it is a very competitive league.
The one thing that stands out in my mind is the great atmosphere around the club. 
I have had some problems with my visa status and recommend sorting out all the papered
details well before you move to Holland. So, if you get the chance to come here and
play, do so because it will change your whole perspective about hockey on and off the
field. And yes you may even have some fun while you're here.”

Tara Browne is a goalie on the Irish National Team. She played this year for HGC in Den Hague, The Netherlands. Recently she has left Holland to join the Irish team in their preparation for the World Cup Qualifier.

Being a keeper I think I offer a different view to being a foreigner in a foreign league. 
After playing the preseason as the number one keeper I was assigned the number two role
for the majority of the season. This obviously became very frustrating but as the training
was more intensive and the players were of a higher skill level than our club players at
home in Ireland, I felt it was worth staying. I believe the benefits outweighed the
downfalls and I have improved during my year in Holland.  I was a disappointed with the club support I
received regarding the promised assistance in finding a job. The one bit of advice I would give to EU
 residents if thinking of going to Holland to play; is to have something in the way of work
organized prior to moving . Overall I had a good year with lots of good training
 and I met lots of great people.”

 

 

Peter Milkovich has played over 250 International matches for Canada. He recently captained the Canadian team at the Sydney Olympic Games. Peter has played in the top leagues in Holland, Australia, and currently plays in England. Here are his comments on the Dutch league:

Playing in the Hoofdklasse will always hold great memories for myself as it
was my intention to learn as much as possible about the Dutch system of
hockey. I have learned from my experience that the Dutch are leading the

hockey world because of their competitive and demanding league in which
great emphasis is placed on training and coaching at all levels. The only real
comparison is the Australian NHL which is also of great quality.


Although I had difficulty with work permits I made several great contacts
during my time there and have successfully been recruited by one of those contacts
in my life after hockey. The hockey family in Holland are great people and I enjoyed
 my time at SCHC. Thankfully the Dutch are as good at playing the 'third period' (partying)
as they are the first two because if they took the game any more seriously no one
would ever beat them.

 

Peter Taylor is currently playing his second season at HGC. He comes to Holland from Tamworth, Australia, and played for the Australia U-21 squad.

“Experiencing life and hockey in another country, such as Holland, has been fantastic, as well an
eye opener. Playing and training consistently at a high level would definitely improve
anyone's game. The social life around the hockey is something that should also not be missed.
People here are very friendly and know how to have a good time!!  The only advice to
others thinking of playing abroad is to make sure you have the appropriate visa and
all negotiations with the club are written down.”

 David Yule is a Canadian International player who has played two seasons at HGC in Holland, and is currently living and playing in Belfast, Ireland.

“Moving to Holland to live and play for two seasons was an experience in
which there were many ups and downs. I met some friends that I will
always keep, and of course had an experience which taught me a lot about
hockey. In times where work was scarce, time passed slowly, and I wondered
"What am I doing here?".  While the intentions of the club were positive and
admirable, at times the organization within the club (and other clubs where
foreigners played) was not silky smooth - and things often took
much longer to sort out than hoped.  Having said that, I will not
forget the generosity of the club at times, especially when we moved into a new
flat and were outfitted with everything we needed to live simply through
generous club members giving things away for their foreign boys.

The hockey was all that I had hoped for...lots of training, great coaching,
high intensity and a very competitive atmosphere both between teams
and within the team.  I found myself fighting for a place in the lineup
every week. There is an actual hockey culture which we all became part of,
and there is a general love for parties and good times. I would recommend
it to anyone”


With these comments and other people I have spoken to it is obvious that much value is gained by moving away to play hockey. Whether it is Germany, Australia, Ireland, Holland or England, players generally speak highly of their different experiences.

Being in Holland for three years now I have spoken to many of the foreigners that have come and gone from the Dutch Hoofdklasse. I have heard stories of beautiful apartments to disappointing apartments, lots of money to no money, and stories where agreements have been achieved and agreements that have failed. Almost all of the players speak of good hockey and good people.

In closing, for those who may be considering a move to any of the hockey leagues around the world……………I hope this article will encourage and advise you in your choice.


Here is a list composed of some of  the players who have played or are currently playing abroad: (Home Country, Name, Club, Country played in)
If you know of any other international players who have competed for clubs abroad, please contact Andrew@planetfieldhockey.com and we will add them to the list.

Switzerland

Christian Cavallet          Den Bosch, The Netherlands

Australia

Andrew Meredith           HCKZ, The Netherlands

Joel Hughes                HGC, The Netherlands

Paul Lewis                   HGC, The Netherlands

Peter Taylor                 HGC, The Netherlands

Mathew Smith              Roma, Italy

Brent Livermore            Oranje Zwart, The Netherlands

Troy Elder                    Oranje Zwart, The Netherlands

Michael Brennan         Oranje Zwart, The Netherlands

Jay Stacy                    Oranje Zwart, The Netherlands

Alyson Annan               HCKZ, The Netherlands

Brooke Morrison           Laren, The Netherlands

Allison Lippy                HGC, The Netherlands

James Elmer                HGC, The Netherlands

Canada

Rick Roberts               Hamburg,Germany

Rob Short                   HGC, The Netherlands

David Yule                  HGC, The Netherlands

                                 Belfast,Ireland

Peter Milkovich          SCHC, The Netherlands

                                Old Loughtonians, England

            Andrew Griffiths         Old Loughtonians, England

                                            Sheffield, England

            Hari Kant                 Old Loughtonians, England

                                            Stuttgaart, Germany

            Scott Sandison          Old Loughtonians, England

Ian Bird                     HDM, The Netherlands

Scott Smith               Old Loughtonians, England

Karen MacNeil           Pinoke, The Netherlands

LauraLee Kopeck       Pinoke, The Netherlands

                                Hamburg,Germany

Anna Grimes             Pinoke, The Netherlands

Amy Macfarlane        Pinoke, The Netherlands

 

Pakistan

            Sohail Abbas            Amsterdam, The Netherlands

            Mohammed Usman   HGC, The Netherlands

            Shabaz Ahmed         Oranje Zwart, The Netherlands

 

Spain

            Juan Escarre            Old Loughtonians, England

                                                              

South Africa

            Bruce Jacobs           Rotterdam, The Netherlands

            Jody Paul                 Rotterdam, The Netherlands

            Clye Abrahams         Rotterdam, The Netherlands

 

New Zealand

            Mike Beauin              SCHC, The Netherlands

 

Argentina

            Max Caldas              HCKZ, The Netherlands

Scotland

            Phil Webster            HCKZ, The Netherlands

            Calum Wood            HCKZ, The Netherlands

            Grahme Joyce          HCKZ, The Netherlands

                                           Southgate ,England

            Lawrence Docherty   HCKZ, The Netherlands

           

England

            Russell Garcia          HDM, The Netherlands

                                           Harvestehuder, Germany

            Julian Halls              HDM, The Netherlands

            Calum Giles             Laren, The Netherlands

 

Ireland

            Tara Browne             HGC, The Netherlands

 

Trinidad and Tobago

            Kwan Browne           Den Bosch, The Netherlands

                                          Southgate, England

                                           Canterbury, England                

  The Netherlands

            Maarten Burger        Darwin, Australia

            Teun de Nooijer        Harvestehuter, Germany


If you know of any other international players who have competed for clubs abroad, please contact Andrew@planetfieldhockey.com and we will add them to the list.

 


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fan
05-07-2001  8:27 am
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Nice article. It is interesting to see what it is like throught the eyes of the people there.
RAvi.K
05-07-2001  1:09 pm
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Good Stuff Shortie!!!
VERY CURIOUS
05-07-2001  2:30 pm
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DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY
TEUN de NOOIJER is playing in GERMANY?!!!
To Very Curious
05-07-2001  3:20 pm
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De Nooijer isnt playing in Germany anymore...he did for aseason or two and i beleive it was for quite a bit of money.
'koots'
05-08-2001  8:39 am
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Sorry Shortie... but Anna Grimes didn't play for Pinoke. She and her sister played for the same club as 'the Milkman' did. SCHC! Who was her coach at that moment??
And don't forget your own little brother...!!! Peter Short was not only training his hockey skills on Alkmaar.
Shawn Hindy
05-08-2001  10:17 am
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Although no one thinks that the United States plays hockey, we do, and have had some players play overseas. I have played the year in Alicante, Spain, with Juan Escarré and also played a year in Australia, in 1998, with Stephen Davies and other internationals. I believe with Shortie that most players would love to play somewhere else, but are afraid of the change and afriad of leaving there "comfort zone." From my experience, I believe that the rewards and strength you gain from playing overseas, far outweigh the troubles and inconveniences of being in a different country.
You grow so much as a person, not just a hockey player, and meet great friends and people. Spain was a little different, with the language barrier, but you adjust quickly and there are other international students and people in the same boat as you. You will never realize what you are missing unless you are brave and try. It is definitely worth it.
Shorty
05-08-2001  4:43 pm
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He guys thanks for the comments. Yeah 'koots', of course they played in SCHC. Sean, glad you had a great time in Spain, I remember chatting over a beer about your plans to go overseas. Sorry I forgot! For all readers please continue to remind us of overseas players and their clubs as this was our intention.
Jamal (Jake or Jammy)
05-09-2001  2:48 pm
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Don't forget many players also come to Canada for one reason or the other and play the game. I came from Bermuda and moved to Alberta, where I continued my international career along side US National goal keeper Andy Duncan also from Edmonton. I also had a social stop in Vancouver with the Hawks.
Tingo
05-09-2001  3:37 pm
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Jamal, where are you playing now. Are you playing in Edmonton.. How come we dont see you anymore..Where is
Andy D playing these days.
Garth
05-09-2001  4:01 pm
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Kwan Browne playing for Den Bosch in Holland is arguably one of the best players in the world. He is from Trindad and Tobago who have a couple of younger players of similar potential Dwain Quan Chan of United Petrotrin for example.
To Garth
05-09-2001  5:23 pm
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Kwan Browne is not one of the best players in the world. He is talented and the best in Trinidad! He is struggling, from what I have heard, to make it in the Dutch league
Hey Shorty
05-09-2001  6:07 pm
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You mean to tell us that an international star such as yourself enjoys a few "pops"?
F. Ball
05-10-2001  3:12 am
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Some foreigners that you have omitted are
Greg Nicol Surbiton
Grant Fulton Surbiton, Oranje Zwart
Gregg Clark Bloemendaal, Surbiton, Southgate
Grant Von Meyer Southgate
Brian Garcia (Trinidad)Guildford
Craig Fulton Chelsmford
Wayne Denne Chelmsford
Justin King Chelmsford, Hampstead
Craig Carolan Southgate, Chelmsford, Hampstead
Gary Boucher Hampstead
Simon Towns Reading
Ken Robinson Reading
Ed Cabay (Belgium)Lewes
Also Calum Giles had a period at HCKZ and Hari Kant played a season at Hounslow.
There are obviously several more but these are the ones that spring most immediately to mind.
F.Ball, again
05-10-2001  3:17 am
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Don't forget Seong-Tae Song and Belal-Walid Mohamed Mostafa at Gladbacher.
Dear Hey Shorty
05-10-2001  3:47 am
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Shorty does enjoy a few "pops"! Mandatory over here in Holland alongside a lot of training each week!
Garth
05-10-2001  10:57 am
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Kwan Browne was named player of the year by coaches in the English premier league in his second season, which also had many top international players. In the first season in the Dutch league I would expect anyone to struggle, particularly one as young as Kwan.
Hey Shorty
05-11-2001  3:13 am
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Why don't they make a "Short Corner" Column so we can hear more about your travelling a broad abroad? ;)
Peter Munsing
05-11-2001  11:10 pm
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Mr. Short--why limit it to clubs? Finances--having to pay off student loans, are probably one bar. So what is the university scene like? What are the universities with good clubs in England? What about at the secondary school level--the Dutch seem to have several camps for youth (sportways, etc)--do any other countries? What is the "personality" of the different programs? Are they any good? Students grades nine through graduate school that play fh would probably be interested in this.
For others, perhaps if you and the other players described the mechanics of how you got hooked up with the club--did they recruit you? Did you go looking for them? I'd imagine one barrier for the prospective player would be, having heard about how awesome and professional the league is, is there a place for the player who is decent but not great? Finally, I hope you will report back to us in North America what the new tactics and strategies are that you are seeing, nifty stickwork tricks, Dutch training methods, how the clubs in the different countries are organized, how the non-professional clubs have longevity and community outreach that US clubs lack.
Inquiring minds want to know
(in between beers). Have a great time and write soon!
Shorty
05-14-2001  4:51 am
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Re: Peter Munsing

Peter, I enjoyed reading your comments, so thank you.

I must respond to some of your questions, and comment on your ideas.

First off, I really don't know anything about the university scene in Europe. There isn't any teams playing out of the Universities in Holland. All hockey players, and other sportspeople, join clubs seperately. There are a lot of camps run in Europe with many of the top ones being run here in The Netherlands. Many of the Dutch youth enjoy going to Spain for hockey camps there as well.

How did I get hooked up? It came after the World Cup in Utrecht in 98' when I was contacted by Maurits Hendriks(the Dutch coach who coached the mens team to their Olympic Gold in Sydney), who arranged a deal to get me over. Everything went from there and I moved over. I imagine it would be easy for a 'decent' player to come and play over in Holland but the finacial arrangements(job, car and house) would most likely be left up the player.

How to do it? Most recently Jimmy Elmer advertised himself on field hockey websites that he wanted to come abroad to play. he almost went to Italy but ended up here with me at HGC. This seems to be the way to do it, especially for a player that isn't well known.

Finally, I would love to write on the tactics and skills of Dutch hockey but will save that for another article.

So thanks again for your interest and hope I have been of some help.
Carl Dalton
11-07-2001  12:30 pm
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It's a great article Rob and more players should look into travelling abroad to develop their game and themselves in a different environment. And don't forget that coaches also can use the same vehicle for development as I am at the moment. I am currently having a stint in Alberta with FHA and the University of Calgary. There is alway's going to be difficulties with work visa's and immigration so these issues need to be well researched before committing to anything. There are also issues with obtaining work and currency variations between countries. Another interesting one for me was having to drive on the other side of the road which is very foreign when you have driven on the left hand side for 15 years in Australia. They are all things that need to be considered.
I had a young German girl (Ragna Benk) live with my family during the 2000 Australin season when she was on a student exchange. She was an U16 National squad member before going to Aus and she played in the Gold Coast representative teams at our U18 and Senior level and was exposed to different styles and ideas which have now added another dimension to her game. Ragna really enjoyed the very different coaching, styles and systems that she was exposed to and on her return to Germany gained a position in the U18 National team and has also been named in their U21 squad. Which to me shows that coaches and selectors can see the benefits to players and sometimes a short term loss in having them away can turn into a long term gain in their development. Players need to work out where they want to go in their careers and how to acheive that. And if travelling OS can assist that then it should be pursued, as it seems to be coming increasingly easier to now do this.
A very relevant topic for the current players and it is great to see the feedback from those who have been involved in playing OS to help identify the things that people need to be aware of if they are thinking of taking this path.
Keep up the good work,

Carl.
Snooze
12-03-2001  4:57 am
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Local Hockey
Really enjoyed your article on playing overseas. Although my level is far more social (and I mean very social) I found joining a club a great way to meet new people and get to know about the local area.

I also get a buzz in seeing expat players (in my case Aussies) playing in the local league.
mary anne
06-08-2002  11:01 am
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I am a vetern hockey player , now 38yrs young and have played hockey for almost 30yrs. I would be very in terested in travelling from Ireland with my ladies vets team to any vets tournament in Europe. Ideally a mixed tournament where the crack is guaranteed to be good. Does any body know or could put me in touch with information on this type of festival/ tournament?
Spar
08-19-2002  7:49 am
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Playing Hockey abroad
If anybody is interested in playing top level hockey in England this season please get in touch. We play in the Premier League against Reading, Cannock etc and are looking to strengthen the team.

If you fit the bill email me on naw1975@hotmail.com
Faisal
04-13-2005  1:21 pm
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I regard that all really great stuff and exerience to read,but one think always come in my mind that is a very hard and difficult Visa formelities in countries like Holland,Germany etc.As a player a person face such things and find some time hard to feel relax for open sports and easy air.but over all field surrounding in such countries are well manage and supported by authroties and goverments..That a Great difference.
Uz-Zaman..Germany
yolandi
09-25-2005  11:24 am
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Great artical!!!!!!
When I`m finished with school in 2007 I really want to go and play in Holland, mostly to improve my skills and get the experience.The only thing is that I don`t know how and where and who to contact.
Maybe somebody can help me.
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