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Pools announced for Rabo Hockey Junior World Cup  x21
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March 8, 2005
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The Rabo Hockey Junior World Cup will be held in Rotterdam from 29 June until 10 July
The Pools for the men?s Rabo Hockey Junior World Cup in Rotterdam, Netherlands, have been announced.
The Pool allocations were made following the Men?s Junior Pan American Championship in Cuba, the fifth and final continental qualifying event for the tournament.
Europe has the most number of participants with six, while Asia has four representatives and Pan America three. Africa will be represented by South Africa and Egypt, while Australia is the lone team from Oceania.
The 16-team tournament will be played between 29 June and 10 July this year, with the rankings used to decide the composition of the Pools based on a combination of the results of the various Continental Federation qualifying tournaments and the known respective strengths of the various federations and national associations.
Based on their performances at the European qualifying tournament, Spain and Germany have been ranked one and two and are the top seeds in their respective Pools. Oceania champion Australia is ranked third and the number one seed in Pool C, while defending champion India is ranked fourth in a potentially tough Pool D that also includes host Netherlands.
The most competitive of the Pools appears to include Germany, Argentina (Pan America champions), South Africa (African champions) and Malaysia (fourth in the Asian qualifying tournament).
The four pools, with the ranking of each nation, are:
Pool A
Spain (1)
England (8)
Korea (9)
Mexico (16)
Pool B
Germany (2)
Argentina (7)
South Africa (10)
Malaysia (15)
Pool C
Australia (3)
Pakistan (6)
Belgium (11)
Chile (14)
Pool D
India (4)
Netherlands (5)
Poland (12)
Egypt (13)
Each team will play every other team in its Pool once (three matches), before the top three progress to the next phase. The fourth-placed teams in each Pool will play off for 13th-16th position.
At this stage, the four Pools will combine to form two Groups of six. Teams will take forward the points earned against the other qualified teams from their Pool and then play the remaining teams not from their original Pool to complete five preliminary round matches.
The top two teams in each six-team Group at the end of this phase of the competition will progress to the semi-finals. The winners of the semi finals will contest the final.
The Rabo Hockey Junior World Cup will be the eighth staging of the event, with the last edition in 2001 won by India in Hobart, Australia. Germany has dominated with four titles in the 26-year history of the event, with Pakistan and Australia the other teams to have won the coveted Junior World Cup crown.
The match schedule for the Rabo Hockey Junior World Cup will be announced shortly.
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Alessio
03-08-2005 8:31 pm
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Interesting format
Interesting to know about this type of format for a 16-team tourney.
I still wonder why, the senior World Cup is back to 12. Can this format be applied in 2006? Do we still have time to rectify?
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yen
03-08-2005 9:36 pm
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matchs can be fixed in 2nd stage
not clear on 2nd stage and why carry point , make no sense
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hockey no hoper
03-08-2005 11:45 pm
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carry forward of points
this shouldnt happen as it does not take into account a weaker pool etc.
Its better to start the second round fresh.
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defcon
03-09-2005 12:55 am
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This is the Junior world cup and it is interesting to see the seeeding of the teams taking place. FIH should publish a guideline how ranking was established to avoid any unnecessary speculation. for instance how (no disrespect) Chile is ranked ahea of Malaysia.
the format of carrying forward points are not favourable as the groups are not even in competition. In a scenerios where all groups are even in stature by terms od ranking then there is a purpose of carry for th points.
How are the 4 pool then grouped into 2 pools. Does it mean thattop 3 in Group A&B will be in one pool. Too much grey area and a better explanation must be presented
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Sukh
03-09-2005 1:45 am
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Seems a very long winded way of running a tournament.
The winner will 3 matches in the 1st round, (presumably) 5 in the 2nd round & then semi -final & final. That's 10 games!!
The argument against 16 nations finals is that there will be too many matches. Well if the top 2 in each group proceed to a straight knockout then the maximum number of games will be 7. Exactly the same as the current 12 team Olympic & WC tournaments.
This format seems a bit silly to me.
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Old Timer
03-09-2005 3:26 am
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Makes Sense
Seems to make sense to carry the points forward to me since you only take forward the points earned against the other team that goes through and that is in your new group. All it means is that if you have one of the teams in your old group that is in your new group you don't have to play them again - just take the result from the earlier game.
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Yan Huckendubler
03-09-2005 11:49 am
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Number of games
Sukh, the number of games played if you reach the Final is not 10 but 8:
- 3 in the first round
- only 3 in the second round (you do not play again the teams issued from your own pool, only the 3 coming from another pool)
- semi-final and final
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Hockey Observer
03-09-2005 7:10 pm
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I don't see what everyone is getting so confused about, its the same way it has been done in the past and the same structure many sports follow when it comes to major tournaments. You carry through the points so there is no need to play two of the teams twice. And yes it will no doubt be that at the second stage of the tournament group A & B will join and group C&D due to the way the groups have been set up with the rankings.
And its not going to be able to run like the Olympic and WC tounaments Sukh because there are 16 teams not 12 so its not feasible to be run like that. Its not rocket science.
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Alessio
03-09-2005 9:28 pm
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Hockey Observer,
What other sports apply this format? I think this one's better than the previous JWC where only the top two qualify to the next round. And I do wonder if somehow, the WC in Germany can apply this format too. (Do we still have time?)
As Defcon mentioned, something must be clarified re: seedings of the team. Chile and Egypt higher than Malaysia? India the reigning champions seeded 4? Somehow, the seedings can influence the outcome of the tournament. We would always want to avoid a "Group of Death" situation right?
Nevertheless, thumbs up to see that the continents were evenly disbursed. No Asian, African and Pan-America team meet one another (from the same continents) in one group. Now, we have more inter-continental flavor to the competition.
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CHANDLER
03-10-2005 2:54 am
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FORMAT
like in cricket they have super six , kind a like the same that first 12 teams will bee finalised of 16 and those 12 wil be divided in 2 groups and then top 2 of each 6 teams will go for semi and then finals...good format ! otherwise they would go for traditional 4 groups style ,top 2 of each ,so will be 8 left and would gp for quarter finals and then semis and finals.........
the other one is more interesting !!!!!!!
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Sukh
03-10-2005 7:14 am
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OK, I misread the format for the 2nd group stage.
Sounds a good format as a knockout phase can eliminate a good on the basis of 1 bad performance,
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Alessio
03-10-2005 6:40 pm
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re: Format
If we look back at previous tournaments (Edinburgh WC Qualifier and Hobart JWC) with the old 4 X 4 team format, teams who finished 3rd in their group, automatically lost their top 8 ranking. It killed off the tournament early. In just 3 or 4 days, we already knew who were the top 8 and who were bottom.
The 2 X 8 team format, is very much time consuming. I was tired watching almost all World Cup games in KL.
However, luck again must play its role here. Teams must be fairly seeded to get a balanced group. We are still not clear on the seedings process. Perhaps FIH can clarify through their website?
Let's see if this one works best. Fingers crossed that we can have back 16 teams in Germany.
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defcon
03-11-2005 1:01 am
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I agree that the continents are evenly sapetaed out. But ther eis not clearguidelines on this. FIH should step forward wiht proper seeding for tournaments such as this. Whats is the basis for seedning and how it is established. Gooing to point out that form the Last JWC tot he cuttent that the Champions India has dropped 4 rungs, but this assesment is based on what?
Pakistan that has not participated in the last JWC is seeded above teams that participated. How is this so?
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Alessio
03-11-2005 6:36 pm
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Some Speculation
I assume, that since this is a Junior World Cup -a once in 4 years event, teams standard may have changed in 4 years time. So they have to assess the situations based on the latest performance in their respective continental qualifiers. Pretty much subjective this way huh?
I like the way European teams are seeded for their Junior European Cup . Their tournament is every 2 years, and their seedings & groupings are based on their rankings in the last tournament. (Which was 2 years back)
Can we have JWC every 2 years?
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defcon
03-12-2005 8:38 pm
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to have the JWC every 2 years is a logistical and a financial nightmare. Already we are reeling from the lack of financial support to participate form grassroot level up.
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anapolo
04-07-2005 8:19 am
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ireland
yes it is a shame ireland arent there. they have a very strong team this year.unfortunately they had a very weak team to qualify. they were all about 18 or 19. i like the irish and this is the same team that won the european nations u18.
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