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01-21-2005 5:39 pm
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outragous! why is this hapening?????? i can understand the limits at present but why reduce it?? has the bow been the cause of any increase in dangerous play? even as a goalkeeper i am not happy about this new restriction!
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Rodger Claret
01-21-2005 6:10 pm
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FIH Hockey Rules Board- The Stick
Does anyone know if the equipment manufacturers have representation on this particular committe?
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Teo Loh
01-21-2005 6:51 pm
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What another stupid decision by the Hockey Rules Board.
This goes to show that the people who sit on this Board do not play hockey or even know what hockey is all about. Clearly, there is a trade off. If they have any clue, they know that a stick with an acute bow will be useless for dribbling or hitting as the bow will cause the ball to be lifted whenever one tries to hit the ball. Moreover, it is damn hard to try and dribble or tackle with an extreme bow stick. It is no coincident that Sohail is one dimensional player which his team captain, Waseem Ahmad is even prepared to accept as the reason for his non-selection as hockey player of the year. I know this because I have a custom made stick similar to Sohail and whilst it is good for drag flick, it is pretty much useless for anything one has to do on a hockey pitch.
For those of the old school, they can flick just as hard and fast with a straight stick. I know as I initially flick without utilising a megabow stick similar to the days when Taco used to flick as he did not have one of those megabow stick.
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wp87
01-22-2005 6:31 am
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Good rule change in my opinion. It'll remove the drag flick's common use in penalty corners to make the game more entertaining and much less dangerous.
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tkchick
01-22-2005 1:06 pm
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I don't agree with this new rule. I think that people should be allowed to have whatever bow depth they would like on their stick. One thing I don't quite understand is this. Does that rule apply to ALL field hockey players? Juniors ect.? So if I just bought a new stick with the bow depth over 25mm will I have to buy a new one when the rule is set??
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aussie
01-23-2005 9:54 am
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what a great rule change, something good done by FIH. It will still allow players with skill to be able to perform the dragflick, however, those players who were performing it without good tech will now be in trouble and loose most of their power
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The One
01-23-2005 1:52 pm
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I believe limiting the bow on hockeysticks is totally uneccessary....what next...only wooden sticks! Wolfgang Rommel speaks of shared concerns regarding the increased power in flicks, I believe the same argument can be applied the use of composite hockeysticks and the resulting increase in the power a player may now generate!
I guess that this may be the end of Sohail?
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Floris
01-24-2005 4:32 am
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Bowed sticks
About time, If you can drag flick well you can still do it with 25 mm.
However it will stop the players who need the huge bow to help flick from firing balls in under no or limited control. The reason the drag flick is so potenet at the higher levels of the sport is because the ball can be placed, not just because it is fast.
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hokdude
01-24-2005 10:42 am
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What is the current amount of bow in a stick would a drack-flicker in international competition use anyway? (eg, guys like Abbas, Kunz, Elder, Shaw etc...)
I am just wondering to determine how drastic this ruling acutally is.
Thanks.
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Frustrated
01-24-2005 10:59 am
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pointless discussion
Problem with this website is that it allows, those people in the hockey world to voice their opinions, where no one wishes to hear them, and then a few educated people have to have a debate with them, and no-one ever comes out on top.
Firstly to tkchick, the article clearly states that the law is only for international hockey matches from Jan 2006, and all the national hockey associations in the world are free to bring the rule into their local leagues, when they find it possible. No country is going to make the demand on hockey players at a junior level right from the start, that they go buy a new stick, but it will prevent the manufacturers from making them, so eventually they will all be phased out.
To The One - sohail has retired already, after Champions Trophy 2004, so the new rule is not the "end of him", as he's done already. Get the facts straight before making comments!
To aussie and Floris, I liked your comments, well thought out and presented.
In conclusion the FIH Rules committee have a tough job, as manufactureres find new ways to improve the equipment, they have to continually keep a check on whether or not it will give players an unfair advantage. Why does the PGA association, and the R&A keep having to change the laws on golf balls, and hot faced drivers - for the same reasons. Its a tough job, and I think the FIH have made the right decision here. Refer to aussie and floris, if you want reasoning.
Cheers
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rusty
01-24-2005 6:47 pm
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Frustrated
Agreed, too often these forums deteriorate into slanging matches.
Being someone from the old school who is a believer in technique over technology i feel this is a positive move for the game and will bring some of the mystique back into the game - especially that portion of it played between the 25's.
For those who are losing their beloved bows in a year or so's time - the old addage has never been more poignant ; Practise makes perfect.
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Hockey Observer
01-24-2005 7:02 pm
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Aussie: Great comment, I think this is exactly why the FIH has brought in the rule, to limit the amount of dangerous play that is caused by people who really don't have the technique to be a good drag flicker but yet can generate massive power because of a bow. The truley good dragflickers will certainly be able to addapt, the likes of elder and co already use a bow that is legal by the new standards so the dragflick certainly will be a main weapon in hockey but maybe restrict those that really shouldn't be doing it or even better still cause them to better their abilities and learn to flick with a stick that requires them to have the proper skills.
Hokdude: the range of bows within these players varies.... Abbas as mentioned before could really only use his stick for one thing and that was flick, his bow was massive, on the other side of the coin though a Troy Elder from australia who is as good a midfield player as he is a flicker uses a quite straight bow, as he needs the ability to eliminate and hit. Basically a good rule to work by is that dragflickers who play in defense more often than not have the ability for larger bows but you will also notice always have to slap the ball as they struggle to hit. Hayden Shaw and Sohail Abbas are perfect examples of this.
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Any
01-25-2005 2:23 am
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The best drag flicker i ever saw and faced was a German who used a stick with absolutely no bow whatsoever! Technique can be developed on any stick where the player holding it is good enough. I think that the bow in sticks now is encouraging younger and less able players to attempt drag flicking on shorts, etc where because of their lesser skill it becomes dangerous to people around them.
Hockey should be a game of skill, not equipment. Admittedly we do need advancements - lighter and cheaper materials, higher performance in some areas but there has to be a balance. I think FIH have got this right.
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suresh
01-26-2005 3:53 am
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25mm
It is good to reduce the limit to the amount of bow in hockey sticks. as a coach i welcome this changes.
suresh coach
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Northern Coach
01-26-2005 11:40 am
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Thankyou FIH!, kids turn up with their new stick that has a 'crazybend' 'powerbow' 'stoopidcurve' or whatever and complain that they are unable to hit the ball flat!. I've had to halt certain sessions because the ball has been raised dangerously too often by youngsters who have this type of stick. The problem is that the companies endorse these sticks for their ability to increase aerial distance and drag flicking power, however players are not made aware that they are going to have to totally re-learn skills, particularly hitting and low backhand hitting in terms of grip and foot placement. FIH are spot-on however it would be intersting to know how the figure of 25mm was decided upon, and if stick manufacturers had any input upon it.
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international corner flicker
01-26-2005 11:43 am
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having played with a bowed stick for a few years, i have seen the benefit of it. things were getting out of control and putting a limit on this is a good idea. maybe a little harsh but such is life and players like myself will have to adapt or die. just as we had to get used to playing with highly bowed sticks. is this ruling also going to be used in the indoor game?
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CanPlayer
01-26-2005 3:30 pm
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Sticks
How was the figure of 25mm decided upon? It bans a prohibitively large amount of sticks which manufacturers are producing today a much better figure might have been 30mm of bow. By today's standards 30mm is essentially a straight stick. I applaud FIH for finally reeling in megabow sticks of 35-50mm of bow but 25mm seems very harsh. It will be interesting to see how the manufacturers deal with this new rule in their stick building. The rule changes probably would have been better spent banning any sort of "cup" on the face of the stick such as that of the new TKs.
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Teo Loh
01-26-2005 9:21 pm
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Misunderstood banning of things.
Clearly, some of the stupid comments cannot go unanswered. The reason for banning the bow by the Rules and Equipment Board is incorrect. As some of the commentators pointed out, it is very difficult to try and hit the ball the upright manner because the ball tends to lift. The only way is to slap hit. What about giving the forum to people in the hockey world to voice their opinions. Anyone who plays hockey, coaches hockey and spectates at hockey game is entitled to have their input into the changes with the the game. As outlined in my earlier comments, it is plainly stupid to change the bow as clearly if you have use the extreme bow stick, it is useless for pretty much everything you have to do on a hockey pitch. Like someone rightly points out if the rules board call for banning of composite sticks, we will all be outraged. Again, as someone also points out, the dangerous head high drag flick can still be executed with a straight stick.
The only rule change should be that the drag flick should also conform with the same rules governing direct hit i.e. not higher than the back board. Every other way is dangerous for defenders and we must always reduce the danger to players on the pitch.
Most of those who welcomed the rule change ironically answer their own concerns. Like the last commentator who posed the question why 25mm and not 35mm.
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Rusty
01-26-2005 11:23 pm
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Teo Loh
I think you have missed the point.
It's great if you have the ability to flick a ball below the backward safely EVERY single time you do it.
The point of the ruling is to stop people who haven't got that degree of control from breaking the noses of on-running defenders by mis-directed flicks with all power and no direction.
It's easy to say that you can only flick or slap with an extremely bowed stick but what if you're a child who can't afford more than one stick? - you can't tell me they won't want to at least try and hit the ball too when all their friends do.
Basically, the ruling means that better technique will be prevalent over power and mis-control. In the long-run this should prevent or certainly reduce the number of injuries.
As for the 'How many accidents have there actually been?' arguments - you really want to wait until someone you know gets there teeth knocked out before you believe it?
Players got by just fine drag-flicking without bowed sticks before. There's no reason at all not to return to that and bring the skill back into it.
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namelessderro
01-27-2005 12:38 am
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Teo loh do you have a clue?
ok teo do you have a clue what your talking about, cause after reading your article i couldnt figure out what your point was.
first off: i have seen many players play very competantly with a maximum bow stick, it dusnt take anything away from a player to have to slap hit the ball. And it is actually quite easy for a player to hit the ball normally with a big bow, all you have to do is get your head over the top of the ball more, which most high quality coaches will tell you to do anyway.
second off: i couldnt tell wether or not you were saying that restricing the bow was good or not, but when you say that the dragflick can be executed with a straight stick, the point of changing this rule is that it will make people learn the proper technique so as to be able to control the dragflick.
Third off: what kind of comment is that 'the dragflick should be below backboard height' ummm well that will make it kinda easy for keepers wont it, the reason they dragflick was initally allowed above backboard height was because the keepers were just lying strate down on the ground on corners, if the dragflick has to be below backboard height keepers will jsut go back to that
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Teo Loh
01-27-2005 7:54 am
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Right of reply.
Well, the players you have seen must be great internationals as I have yet to see an international play competently with an extreme bow. Even the great Sohail Abbas if you have seen him play previously will realise that he has limited abilities other than his drag flick. He at least can tackle sometimes and always have to slap hit. I have attended no less than five World Cups and even have a replica of Sohail Abbas stick custom made in Pakistan to practise drag flicking. Believe me it is useless for anything else other than drag flick and slap hit. Even his captain acknowledged that Sohail has limited skills to win the Player of the Year award despite being the highest goal scorer in history.
Restricting the bow is a retrograde step. What next, composite sticks. There is no proper technique to learn in drag flick. You obviously missed the point, I have been a strong advocate for banishing the drag flick due to the danger it posed to the defenders. I have seen defenders being seriously injured and witnessed the face masks of the Spanish players during the Olympics. The essence of the Rules change is to promote safety. But continuing to allow the drag flick at head high will not do so. If you have follow Troy Elder's playing career, you will know what I meant. Troy Elder in fact always drag flick the ball at below the back board high. If you have the opportunity to view any of the games featuring him doing the drag flick you will understand what I meant.
Please speak from a standpoint of knowledge not from ignorance. Like Vijay Shiree who proposed the banning of the composite sticks because it favour European players due to the cost and additional power generated by such sticks. Maybe we should also banned artificial pitch and go back to grass as proposed by some Pakistan ex-internationals. As I have pointed out irregardless of the bow the drag flick itself does not promote safety in the game. Taco Van Den Honert did not even use a bow stick and he was a very effective drag flicker. It has nothing to do with the bow if the Rules Board wants to promote safety which should be their paramount concern.
Hockey rules have always been innovative and miles ahead of other games like soccer.
The abolishment of the offside rules, the utilisation of 2 umpires are all innovative and we can continue to show the other games what a wonderful game we have. All we need is the media exposure.
P.S.
I am a NCAS Level 2 coach and do not recall telling them to keep the ball on the ground by getting the head over the top of the ball more.
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Any
01-27-2005 10:52 am
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I dont think restricting the bow will affect international hockey too much. However - it seems to me that where this will have most effect is club and junior level where the bowed sticks present a danger whereby players try to generate lift and power and do not concentrate on direction and are therefore a danger to others. Seeing some juniors use these bowed sticks makes them look unskilled, because they rely too much on trying to lift the ball and are actually sacrificing basics such as accurate, clean hitting and stopping. When i played junior hockey and flicked on shorts (before bowed sticks) i was penalised as it was a danger. Now it is fashionable to have bowed sticks and flick everything i think it is dangerous as there is less control of the flick, the stop and the hit. I tried to use a specialist 'drag flick' stick recently and found it took a lot away from me. Maybe i wasnt used to it??? But my drag flick was very very powerful, moreso than i bargained for and i was actually afraid to use it in the game.
I think the idea is to bring back skill and safety at intermediate and lower levels rather than dumb-down international hockey, which im sure will remain largely unchanged by this rule.
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Canadian #1
01-27-2005 1:52 pm
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I like bowed sticks and I don't dragflick. Its easier for reverse stick receptions and i find dribbling the ball much easier with a bowed stick. I agree 30mm of bow would be better as a limit.
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Meister
01-27-2005 5:18 pm
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Teo Loh - confused?
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"I have yet to see an international play competently with an extreme bow"
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"Taco Van Den Honert did not even use a bow stick and he was a very effective drag flicker".
You would appear to be confusing yourself.
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Teo Loh
01-27-2005 8:55 pm
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What is so confusing?
Dear Meister,
What is so confusing? Compare and contrast Sohail Abbas and Taco. Sohail and even Bram Lomans were one dimensional players who can dragflick aided by their bow sticks.
Taco did not use a bow stick and if Taco can vouch for this, he used a straight stick. What I am saying is that those players with extreme bow are one dimensional and because of the bow in their sticks cannot dribble not tackle well. Players with straight stick can still dragflick without building the bow into their stick. The rules board quite clearly are concerned with the dangers posed to head high drag flick and therefore incorrectly thought by limiting bow it will assist in promoting safety.
Another issue is the no. of defenders in the circle. Various countries including Australia where I ply my trade as a coach and play, have experimented with restricting the nos. of players in the circle during free hits. However, it has never work. This is something that the very essence of the game assists. If you are going to stack the circle with the whole team, then your team is also prone to giving away short corners as any player with some nous will be able to channel the ball onto the opposition foot to gain a penalty corner. Like an extreme bow, unless you have utilised one then you do not know what you are talking about. We might as well banned composite sticks as the force generated by them is very strong and can caused serious injury if a kid is given to use one and had no control over his or her hits. Please do not blame the tool, like the wise saying, a poor workman always blame his tool. It is how the tool is being utilised that should be a concern to the Rules Board.
I do not want to be condescending by the confusion appears to be the misunderstand of an International language on the part of those confused.
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J.A.
01-28-2005 5:41 am
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Teo Loh
why didn't it work? restricting the number of players in the circle. you mentioned an advantage for the offense of having it packed, but what are the reasons it didn't work?
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namelessderro
01-28-2005 6:31 am
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what are you talking about
wait up Teo Loh im just gettin kinda confused, u say we should ban dragflicks cause they are dangerous then say (sarcastically) we mite as well ban composite sticks cause the are to powerful. mate that is what we refer to in educated circles as hypocritical.
by the way with your comment on troy elder i totally agree, he scores 90% of his dragflicks by goin low, but he scores that because goalkeepers still know that he can score 10% of his goals goin high, they have to be ready for it because they know if they go down to early then he can change and go high to catch them out. If we changed the rule to say all dragflicks have to be below bacboards height, do u really think that the keeper will really worry bout waiting till the dragflcik is released to hit the ground, being a NCAS level 2 coach im sure u would be telling ur keepers to get on the ground ASAP
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Lim CC
01-28-2005 8:44 am
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The main issue the FIH is trying to address here is the safety aspect esp defending of PCs. Clearly the megabow sticks have enhanced the power generated by the dragflickers and we have come to a stage where the defenders are padding themselves up with knee guards, gloves and masks while defending these shots. Obviously there were a few injuries resulting from these that prompted FIH to act. Somehow I feel they chose to ignore the fact that the root of the problem is the danger posed by high dragflicks during PCs. FIH should just do away with high drag flicks and I assure you there will be less demand for these sticks because as Teo Loh rightly commented you can't do anything else with these sticks. While I agree that the dragflick is an art and skill just like any other hockey skills and needs to be honed and developed, I have seen kids do nothing in training but head for the top D and spend considerable amount of time flicking on ends to the detriment of other skills. Surely we do not want our youngsters develop into one dimensional players in the mould of the Abbases, Aiyappas and Lomans. We want them to be like the Wasims, deNoijers and Elders whom by their all round skills makes hockey such an exciting and interesting sport.
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Teo Loh
01-28-2005 5:56 pm
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Horst Wein and Ric Charlesworth always touted that our game is very stop start and therefore unattractive to spectators and there is truth to a certain extent. We stop for penalty corners and when the defenders break we have to recall the corners. This lead to stopping and starting. Just imaging everytime there is a free hit outside, the umpires has to ensure that however no. of players the rule mandated have to step over the 25 yard line before the commencement of the free hit. Sometimes the free hits are taken no less than 5 or 6 times before there is a turnover or which is often the case a penalty corner results. I am a believer in less interference and letting the game flow rather than continuously letting the umpire blow and adjudicate. When you let human decisions creep in you are always going to have controversy.
The Rules Board should also abolish the stupid rule of having the kicking fullback mandatory wearing a helmet. I have played in that position wearing the helmet and it is pretty useless and gives no protection at all. In fact, it hindered my vision. That is my next beef to change it. Maybe you all should give the article in The Malaysian Star newspaper and the interview with Vijay Shiree, the Canadian coach who felt that composite should be banned because of the cost and giving unfair advantage to European players by adding additional strength to their hits. Go to World Hockey website for my article in February for further comments on this.
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namelessderro
01-30-2005 1:23 am
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one topic
guys can we stick with the topic, Teo it seems that instead of answering people inquires you just bring up more rules you disagree with.
Can you clarrify sumthing for me please tho? you say that dragflicks at head height are to dangerous, but then you say that the helmet for kicking fullback only hinders your vision, when you say that it sounds like u never get hit in the head while standing in the goal, so wat are you complaining about dragflicks for?
Ok and banning composites is jsut stupid, there is a rule in the stick specifications that says no stick can produce ball speed off a hit the is more than 98% of stick speed, however the danger occurs in all these cases not because of the dangerous sticks but because of incorrect training. Why dont u stop campaigning for rule changes to increase safety and start teaching your players how to play safely.
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Northern Coach
02-01-2005 3:35 am
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Teo Loh
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"Restricting the bow is a retrograde step. What next, composite sticks. There is no proper technique to learn in drag flick. You obviously missed the point, I have been a strong advocate for banishing the drag flick due to the danger it posed to the defenders."
NCAS Level 2 coach?????
There is no proper technique in the drag flick????? Unfortunatly you are completely wrong. There is a proper technique utilising footwork and foot placement to increase trunk rotation in the cross-over step, that ultimatly leads to increased power in the acceleration phase of the drag flick. The increased bow in sticks has meant that players can igrore this footwork and rely upon momentum of their body whilst running past the ball picking the ball up on the end o f their stick and flinging it towards goal. Come 2006 i predict alot of club dragflickers will become obselete when there is a level playing field.
The danger posed by the dragflick is that defenders are now given licence to stop a shot on the line above their head. FIH have stopped the 'charging down' of the first shot at corners quite rightly. But now defenders are standing on the line and expecting to stop a drag-flick heading in their direction. Its meant that players put themselves in a position of danger intentionally. You might argue that what else are they to do? simply coach more effective defending so you don't conceed penalty corners in the first place.
The drag-flick used to be a spectacle of great skill and technique that a chosen few could master without the detrement to skills in the rest of their game. The introduction of the extreme bow has made a huge number of players too specialised, a player unable to hit the ball flat up right or tackle with these sticks is a weak link in the team. It would seem that the best sides can 'hide' their 'extreme bow wielding' player on the pitch somewhere and focus on winning penalty corners for them to convert. This is not effective team play.
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Save the bow !
02-03-2005 5:33 am
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www.savethebow.com
Hey friends of hockeysticks with more than 25mm bow - visit our homepage and let us have your comments !
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fisher
02-03-2005 11:47 am
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if u think curve sticks are dangerous so what about composite sticks which give more power in shooting.most of the players who got hit by a ball is by players who use composite stick.why not ban those sticks?wood is the tradition and we should stay with it..
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defcon
02-09-2005 1:17 am
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any rule brought into play is gonna have its fair share of brickbats, being an umpire I have managed to look at rules and seen many fade away, firstly what are the objectives and goals but the implementatino of these rules. Lets us try to understand them. Then we can argue the finer points of it both pro and con.
In any sport the governign body are constantly trying to implement rules to keep the game in check the players manufacturers are constantly trying to find way means and loopholes to giev the EDGE.
Composit, sticks, goalkeeping equipment, turf even attire. a consolidated effort had to be put in place, for instance the 3 man up rule, the beauty of it was its a great idea in paper but the interpretation and understanding of it was a disaster, the crowd players managemetn press the buzzer the minute the 3rd man leg was in the 25.
The curve of the stick give advantages and disadvantages to a player, there are thing u can and cant do with it. Shoil, Len are wuote "one dimensional players" but that they speciality of their skill.
And it is this speciality that gives them the edge. Should we penalise them for using every bit of the law totheir advantage. So again I ask 11 players on the field only the keeper and the special players not being able to dribble add beauty to the game to hight light - Wolfgang Rommel, chairman of the FIH Hockey Rules Board, comments, “With players and officials we share concerns about the increasing power of flick shots. A limit to the stick bow/rake will curb some of this power without detracting from dribbling and other attractive ball control skills.”
are we to assume all the rest pf the player will be not dribbling and lose power.
Being in the line of fire so speak of shoail or len flick is a scary very scary feeling. I been in that shoe. Maybe we should go to the basics of 18" board no higher then that, then again if uyou dfo that the keeper only sleeps.
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I Can Still Flick with a 25mm Bend
02-11-2005 7:00 am
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FIH have it wrong.
Hockey should move forward with the times. The big bows were just the latest fad. Who knows what the next fad will be? Maybe it will be the type of stick Jamie Dwyer uses so you can dribble past everybody. Will FIH then restrict that because every kid is trying to dribble rather than pass the ball?
"Dangerously" tring to drag flick is no different from tring to hit the ball to top of back board height or loop it over the keeper. There is always going to be the stray ball that wil hit somebody in the head.
Should we all be playing with foam sticks that can't generate any sort of power whatsoever?
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interested
02-17-2005 1:39 am
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This is indeed an interesting read
After reading all the comments and picking out the cr..' and the realistic stuff I have come to the following conclusions.
I have played international hockey with and without the bow!
yes it does effect the way you hit the ball! the ball rises much sooner that if you have no bow! the position of ball contact with a flat stick and a bowed stick are different. Anyone with a good techniek will realise this and also be able to adjust. No problem if you are already at the top. A big problem for the youth when trying to get to the top. A top player has very good basic skills! BASIC! bringing in a bow doesnt make it easier it makes it harder!
As for the limit in a bow, it is the same as when they brought is a limit in the diameter of the stick! big deal, the FIH are trying to ensure that the game is kept safe. There are many players who wish to dragfick the ball and fall on a stick with a bow than doing it the old fashioned way and training 20 hours a week at it. When Lomans began that is all he did!
Lastly, take a look at the statistics of the german mens team. 2 out of the 16 players competing at the olympics played with a stick with less that 25mm! two!!!!!!!!!!!! and did you see them hit the ball often?? No not really Bring back Carsten fisher!!! that man could hit a good ball! and oh with a flat stick!!!!!!!!
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mitch
02-18-2005 7:02 am
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hey, for all of you beeing upset about this rule, we need your e-signature. www.savethebow.com
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international player
02-18-2005 8:19 am
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we have to talk about the top
I do really understand many of the concerns, that kids are playing with sticks with a huge bow and do not have the ability to control their play properly. I agree with these safety reasons.
Bit what about the top of the hockey players. The internationals and players with the ability to control the behaviour of a stick with a high bow. Why do we have to restrict even at this level? We already have some special specifications at our rules concerning the youth hockey. Why don't we start restricting at this level, and put a restriction at an acceptable level (e.g. at 30-35mm) in the mens age starting with 18. So everyone has to decide, if he wants to change to a higher bow level or not.
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02-24-2005 1:24 am
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I can still flick with a 25mm bend
Um...
Can someone tell me exactly what sort stick helps you dribble around everybody?
I thought it was a combination of superior fitness, speed, vision and arduous practice of skills. Superior, practised skill is Ric Charlesworth's expression, I believe.
Now I hear that's just some sort of special stick!
Where can I get one please?
:)
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STICK
02-25-2005 12:36 pm
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U CAN GET ONE SOON MY FRIEND..SOMEONE HAD REALLY FIND A WAY.ITS GONN ABE USED IN NEXT YEAR WORLD CUP.WATCH OUT.
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namelessderro
02-28-2005 3:48 am
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stick
who told you that the stick will make a difference in how well you play? i mean different kind of skills will affect how well u touch the ball and how much u can fell it on ur stick and that stuff, but as far as i know there is now stick that u can pick up and will turn u into the next De noijer
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sambo
02-28-2005 5:04 am
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bowed sticks
is there a list avaliable of sticks that will be banned under the new ruling.Stop arguing about it though people,change is inevitable, drag flicks still existed before bowed sticks!
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jashdjfhsadjhg
03-02-2005 5:40 pm
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from this change of the bow are the stick lines going to becoming out with the same models but less bow?
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sambo
03-04-2005 9:26 pm
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sticks
for your info
gryphon andd voodoo moulds 4, 9 ,10 ,11, 13 are all gunna be gone
the top line TKs will also be in trouble
and mazon has lots that will be totally useless
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Ash
03-09-2005 1:36 pm
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I think this new rule by the FIH is brilliant, sticks with excessively large bows from my personal experience are overated anyway, 25mm might be a tiny bit harsh 30mm might of been more reasonable to cater for those whose techniques have been affected by using sticks with a larger bow. However in saying that if they are skilled enough they'll be able to adjust.
The aspect of skill in hockey is essential and makes it stand out from other sports, perhaps now i will watch more entertaining hockey matches on TV again. I find it a bit harsh that a trivial mistake in the circle, such as the ball hitting your foot, results in a an almost automatic goal, assuming you have got a good drag flicker in the team.
Anyway good on the F.I.H! delighted with the new rule it's for the good of the game in the longterm. The F.I.H were being proactive, instead of waiting for someone to die in a hockey game due to being on the end of pacy dragflick the have now reduced the chances quite a bit.
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Ali
03-15-2005 6:56 pm
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The ruling is in essence a good idea, but i agree with those who have said 25mm is too little, i think 30mm would have been a better trade-off. Does anyone know if the rule is too apply to indoor hockey as well?
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Markus
03-16-2005 3:50 am
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SAVE THE BOW
For all of you who still support the idea of a stick with a bow more than just 25mm!
www.savethebow.com
sign the list and help to get as many signatures as possible to maybe object to the new rule of the FIH.
Greets
Markus
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da ruler
03-17-2005 3:25 am
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i thin k it might be good to get a limit for the bow but 25 or 30 is defentliy to low. how about 40 as a limit. but if i buy a stick and put it a bit on a toaster i have more bow. can i still play with this one??
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Northerner
03-18-2005 12:43 pm
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Stick Ruling & England Hockey
England Hockey
Quote taken from : Synopsis of England Hockey (EH) Board meeting held on 21st February
Date Posted : 3/3/2005
"2.10 Stick Specification Proposal
After some discussion the Board gave its approval to applying the new rule across the game from 1 June 2006 with the exception of Premier League One where the new rule will apply from 1 January 2006. This rule to apply to all Premier League matches. This decision will be announced immediately."
So what happens in the Cup you morons when a premier 1 side could play against a lower league side?, do all the premier 1 dragflickers pull out of their bags banned sticks in their league? or does the lower league side have to stow theirs??? Blanket ruling needed. All leagues or none.
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buzz
03-22-2005 4:05 pm
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Sticks
Bought a Dita extreme bend at start of year so I am annoyed that my new stick will be banned. As a point I have had no problems hitting flat or with close control, and I do hit rather than slap the ball.
Do I think they should be banned? If there is a real danger from the uncontrolled lifting of balls at lower levels and a risk with the increased speed of the ball at higher levels, then yes.
However, sometimes rule changes are made for political reasons by the FIH dependent on which coaching style or region holds sway, I hope this is not the case this time!
On the issue of danger, the use of edge hitting on the backhand side is also dangerous and I have seen several injuries with this and spent time in hosital from these uncontrolled lifted shots yet there has been no suggestion of a ban on these.
My only other comment is that why is the ban not total from January 2006, if it is on grounds of danger?
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namelessderro
03-23-2005 6:08 am
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re: buzz
Ok two answers for you.
first about the danger aspect, i personally do not see it but i can see the angle that they are coming from, basically its all about the dragflicks and by restricting the curve it means that kids have to learn the proper technique and learn how to control the ball instead of jsut puting it on a mega bow and flinging it.
second off the reason that the ban is not total from 2006 is that they are allowing players who already have the larger bows in their sticks the chance to use them until their life expires, possibly also so that manufactures can sell out the last of their stock
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ste a
03-23-2005 3:47 pm
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what a load of rubbish
what a load of rubbish my stick is 40mm bow do i have to get a new stick?
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P Casino
04-01-2005 12:49 pm
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Address the real problem
If the problem that is trying to be addressed is dangerous drag ficking by people who don't have good technique etc etc etc then address that problem, not the shape of the stick they are using. I and most of the people I play with have the ability to do a poor drag flick whether they are using with a bowed stick or a flat stick.
I can hurtle the ball in the general direction of the goal at a fairly high speed, no real direction admittedly, but it goes towards the goal. Surely if the FIH want to stop me doing this they should stop me doing it not just tell me that I have to use a 25mm bowed stick than the one I am playing with now.
A bad/ dangerous drag ficker will be able to be a bad/ dangerous drag flicker whatever shaped stick they use. if you want people to stop drag flicking at peoples heads bring a rule in to do that.
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Show your ability, not your stick
04-12-2005 10:29 am
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Think of the children!!!!
Firstly, Northerner, in a CUP game between Jan '06 and June '06, the 25mm+ rake will be allowed as the rule only applies to Premier League matches as stated in the quote you gave us. So a Prem player can go back to a 30mm, 40mm, 50mm rake if they want.
Secondly, the whole point of technique for new players should be the key to this ruling. The juniors that I coach occasionally undercut with a straight stick by mistake. They do it on REGULAR basis with a high raked stick. I have now told my juniors that anyhtin above a 30mm rake is not allowed at my training sessions as I am seeing too many injuries, and when they buy a new stick it is to be 25mm or below to already conform with changes. All clubs should be doing the same.
P.S the rake on my stick is near the 15mm mark, and my drag flicks are pacey and accurate, my aerials 40-50metre when needed, and I can still hit quickly, accurately and SAFELY. Technique over technology any day of the week.
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andrew
04-18-2005 6:13 am
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For get the bow. How about getting rid of the tombahawk shot. It has to be one of the most dangerous shots about.
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ivan
04-27-2005 3:33 am
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its ok actually..if you are a good player..any stick will allow u to play and flick well...as for me..of course i prefer it to be more bent as it makes things easier and i am used to dribbling with a bent stick...straight sticks are onli good for hits and soon flicks will become extinct which i feel its a pity because flicking is like an art in hockey...it adds that X factor in hockey...sad...
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hockey nut
05-11-2005 11:25 am
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gona b ragin
i agree ivan! to watch a hockey match and see a wonderful dragflick fly into the top of a net or to see a beautiful ariel ball be played to players on the pith is wonderful! it is exactly like art in hockey! FIH are defiantely being too harsh here! i bought a bowed stick recently before the rule was announced and was absolutely gutted that after hard work and training of gettting used to the bow and mastering some brilliant tricks it was going to be banned! i am more than disappointed! if the rule is not changed im still using my stick! an if they dont let me play well then so be it cos its a spoiler for the game! international hockey players that dragflick and ariel for their country and maybe score the winning goal for their country- think about them! it could be players from your country FIH! you're letting them down! dont do it! please! i am begging you from teh bottom of my heart dont spoil the beautiful game by making this unnecessary rule. maybe 50mm is way too much of a bow, but i think 40mm is definately more like the limit! please dont do it!
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booo
06-02-2005 3:54 pm
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bowed sticks are the best to drag flick and aerial with.why are the fih banning dis? i cried when i saw this webpage!!!
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hockey nut
06-07-2005 12:57 pm
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i cried too and i will again if this rule is not reconsidered and changed to a more reasonable bow. please dont do this to us fih. we're begging you. please.
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singh
06-21-2005 9:26 pm
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RUBBISH
what is this...banning the sticks just because the drag flick...why dont you ban the stick which can hit hard..this is not a non sense...power come from hand and arm not stick...think twice
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Riley Martin
06-23-2005 7:45 am
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Hockey stick
Why does the curve of a stick affect the peformance of any hockey player. The aim of the game is to win not to raise or flick the ball as hard as you can. I believe them aim of the game is to improve your fitness and skills.
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Lara Martin
06-23-2005 6:45 pm
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curved sticks
The bend in a stick is an important factor in a game of hockey a curve is used for such things as overheads, drag flicks and penalty flicks i believe that taking away the bend will reduce the peformance of the match to a lower level of standard. Im one angry little girl.
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Keith Dickinson
06-30-2005 7:46 am
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Bent sticks
As a full time 'keeper I dont care what the rake of a stick is. As a part time perveyer of hockey equipment including sticks I will not sell you a stick that will not be "legal" in 2006. Most players I sell to buy a stick every year or every second year, some will have to buy in 2006 because their old stick is outside of the specifications and so what? I didn't witness mass Goalkeeper suicides because inflatable kickers were banned or field player suicides when aluminium shaft sticks were banned so what is the big deal with a limit on bow? If the large manufacturers (like Gryphon and Mazon (?)) get caught with big stocks of illegal sticks again so what? Did anyone cry when Easton got put out of the market entirely by the FIH banning their aluminium sticks? The stick manufactures will get by on their 300% mark ups quiet nicely thank you very much. Grow up you bunch of sooks!!!!!
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Coach Mac
08-21-2005 9:49 pm
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Idea for Rules
For my idea no need to change the rules.
Can be continued for flit!
Do you know how long they training?
How the coach train them?
Only flit in short coner is attraction for public to coming in the field.
Wht FIH want?
FIH want to more attraction and more goals for public.
No Goal no people in the tournament.
Very borringg>......
In the rules - No one wiht your feet inside or cross and in the circule line!
Easy for umpire if they can see!
About short corner they can use equipment for protect the face or some part of body!
The equipment shop can find a money!
The shops need promotion for equipment!
FIH not fare for coaches and players.
One idade for rule: Better no more short corner. (FINISH) and no head painfull!
When the player strat flit in the air no one can run infornt to the ball - See the rules!
Always change the rules.
NOT FARE!
FIH need to go to the field ask for coaches for this kind of flit how many player know?
If the coach say very few players means not a lot players can do it!
Ideas if u want (FIH)
Continued the flit but should be use the second time or 3rd time for flit enought!
The players strat push and the player outside the circle stop the ball the 3 rd player can not flit dirrectly only shooting or will should be past to other player and can use the flit!
Or
If they used need outside the circle around 3 yards ok can use.
The runners players can take the time to take the ball.
No Need the change the rule!!!
Easy
Next time if FIH want to change the rule need to ask for Plaint Filed Hockey for comments!
Why have the Plaintly Field Hockey?
I am not a go english but hope understanding wht i means!
I don't mind you help me for english!
Thank You!
I am a coach I need to help and gave a food for players.
Coach can learn by yourself or by players!
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