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Trapper
12-23-2004 8:39 pm
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"But Egypt are undoubtedly the top hockey nation on their own Continent, having dominated the African Cup in recent years"
Thats a load of balderdash. There has not been an africa cup since 2000, which South Africa won. For the record:
1999 All African Games Johannesburg South Africa 4 Egypt 0
2000 African Cup of Nations Bulawayo South Africa Sa 3-Egypt 2
2003 All African Games Nigeria Pool Match SA 2- Egypt 0
All African Games Nigeria Final SA 2-Egypt-3
2003 Afro-Asian Games Hyderabad SA 3-Egypt 2
2004 Olympics SA 5-Egypt 1
1 win in 6 games. Goal for Egypt 7 Goal against Egypt 19
Lets not get ahead of ourselves here....
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african
12-24-2004 2:37 am
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egypt not best in africa
dont think egypt are the best team in africa by a long way. only beat south africa once in the last few years. and yes it was a very important game for olympic qualification. good report otherwise.
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jubba
12-27-2004 1:44 pm
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contacting trapper
hi trapper
send me a mail so i can get in touch and catch up.
best to get my email of the mailing list or send via twosh to start. cheers.
hope all is well . regards jubba
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do u wanna know ?
01-01-2005 9:39 am
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is reading even a professional team and is this freak gonna get paid for playing there ??? wat is he doin staying with relatives , some body tell me something ?? and wat bout the club he was playing for in egypt r they professional ?? some body tell me something ??? where does he work?//
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berkshire man
01-02-2005 10:04 am
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being paid
this guy and NO ONE else gets paid at Reading.
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Solicited Player
01-03-2005 2:13 am
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Berkshire Man
Reading along with a great many clubs pay expenses and wave subs to entice the better players to their clubs and of course the promise of rapid exposure to Jason Lee's mob.
This alone versus clubs who charge a net net yearly subscription average £400 p.a. and have to pay their own traveling expenses equals a payment of approx £2.400 per season.
Now tell everybody again Reading don't have financial inducements to entice players to both their 1st & 2nd team squads. Wrap the package how you like, but don't bulls**t.
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player
01-03-2005 9:42 am
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solicited player
Can I respectfully suggest that if you have no idea what you are talking about, don't post inaccurate statements purporting to be fact.
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laughing
01-03-2005 10:50 am
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walk like an egyptian!
Some facts. I was at the Sonning Lane club when the Egyptian arrived with his uncle who lives nearby. He had been to a club near Liverpool on the promise of top hockey and some remuneration, and had returned after a few weeks when he found that things were not as he had hoped! He moved in with his uncle near Reading, his only relative in the country, and heard that there was a hockey club at Reading, so he visited at the earliest opportunity. Obviously what he saw was rather different from what he had seen to date in this country, with the exception of Canterbury, who had offered him the opportunity to play for them but the travelling would have been impossible. His enquiries in the bar at Reading were passed on to the 1st team management who offered him the opportunity to join the club and train with them in the New Year, no guarantees on a team place, no money, just an opportunity. It was accepted. Very simple so why not keep it so. This is a young player who has been given the chance to play top hockey for a few months, and possibly more if he so wishes, it will be interesting to see what he can achieve. He could probably have joined other clubs who would have paid him, but he has made a tough decision which could just prove to be a very good one, good luck to him!
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Biggot
01-03-2005 1:08 pm
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Work Permit
Does this man have a work permit, what basis did he enter the country and he hopefully realises he needs a work permit to receive money for coaching. If Reading are paying him 2400 a year by subisdising him then again he will need a work permit. He is not from a commonwealth country and has no right to be here.
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Ms V
01-03-2005 2:30 pm
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I guess if assumptions are made, questions asked later (questions that you don't seem to really want to know the answer to anyway) then your name may be appropriate.
"He is not from a Commonwealth Country and has no right to be here" - unless you work for some government department, I suggest we disregard your accusations and give the man the benfefit of the doubt.
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Reading Player
01-03-2005 4:58 pm
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Re: solicited player
Your comment could not be further from the truth. Everything that you claim to be fact in your post is the complete opposite of the truth!
All of Readings players, myself included, have paid subs to be a member of the club, to the same level as everyone else in the club. We all pay match fees to play at the weekends and we all pay to travel to games (apart from those in the squad who are in full time education). On top of this, there is the sizeable cost of travelling to Europe each season (hopefully). The cost of this I can assure you is immense and this cost, although heavily subsidised from various sources, has to be meat by the 1st team playing group. So, your estimate that each player in effect recieves £2400 for playing a season at Reading is categorically wrong! Indeed, I would be willing to bet that Reading players spend more money per season on playing hockey than any other side in the country!
You also seem to suggest that joining Reading will guarantee a place in the England squad. Have you stopped to consider that only two players from Readings team that won the European cup in 2003 (first English team in 23 years to do so) were selected to represent GB at the Olympics in Athens? In the curretn England squad, there are only three players from Reading. I'm not suggesting that everyone in our squad should be selected, nor am I suggesting that anymore should have been selected in the past, but the continual whining from misinformed people on this forum bores me to tears!
So, before you go accusing people who join Reading of taking the easy option, looking for money and cheep international caps, can I suggest you think twice in future!
You can wrap the bull$@*t how you like - the truth is more interesting!
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Mani Kochar
01-04-2005 3:42 am
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I cant believe that people still believe that WE are paid to play etc etc etc.
Like the post from READING PLAYER i can back up his statements that we pay our yearly subs to the club BEFORE the end of October and are subject to the fines imposed by the club for late payment.
We also pay the £8 per match like everyone else.
We got no petrol money, we all have to contribute to our trips to europe.
We will all have to pay for hotels involved in the 3 weeks of the indoor season.
And to prove the point, if this SOLICITED PLAYER were to look at our match programme he'd see that we are all individually sponsored by local business', the majority of which were found by the players themselves!
"Now tell everybody again Reading don't have financial inducements to entice players to both their 1st & 2nd team squads"..........NO WE DONT!
The package is to play for one of the best clubs in England - NO B******T!!!!
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Biggot
01-04-2005 4:02 am
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Mrs V
A person from the commonwealth under 28 can stay in the UK for 2 years on a working holiday permit.
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Bloke
01-04-2005 4:05 am
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Reading Player
Wrong wrong wrong, read the tabloids, the truth is boring, we need more sleeze and innuendo, if there was not the slating no one would visit this site!!
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Interested party
01-04-2005 6:08 am
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Reading Player
Out of interest, PLEASE could you tell me what Reading's yearly hockey subs are and the weekly match levies ? so I can compare them to what I'm having to pay.
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Ronan Daffey
01-04-2005 9:05 am
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Paying players
As chairman of the club, I have often been tempted to correct some of the wilder accusations about Reading HC and surprised that the players have been so restrained in the past. For the record, I confirm that both "Reading Player" and Mani are both speaking the truth. Those of you who bear us ill feeling will have to find some other rod to beat us with.
As for the level of our membership contributions, Interested Party, the information is freely available on our website at www.readinghockeyclub.org.uk. I would save you the trouble, but it all depends on your age so please do have a look if you're genuinely interested. You'll find it under "Membership".
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African Player
01-04-2005 9:29 am
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Sharkia Hockey Club
Sharkia is the most respected African Hockey Club, it has won the Club Championships for more than 12 years on the trot. Yes, it is indeed a professional club and forms the core of the Egyptian Hockey Team, it has produced some of the best International players like Magdi Abdallah. Africa has alot of talent, what it lacks is the facilities, play an African team like Kenya on a Grass pitch, and you might be taught a lesson in hockey.
And I'm not an Egyptian, but have played against Sharkia in the Club championships.So don't look down on African teams just coz they don't have what you have.
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Ex-Player
01-04-2005 10:22 am
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Ronan
Ask your mangers about paying players, indirect payments have been made for years. You should look into it properly. BTW if your players pay their own way, why do you need a sponsor? Generous out of pocket expenses are declared by MP's, some have lost their jobs to it. Sorry to let you know the truth but sounds like you have been duped pal.
BTW Clinton did not have @#$ual relations with that women, its all in the wording, however I am sure your file has been passed to the revenue and you will be exonerated for not having a clue.
Are the car subsidies mentioned on players P11d forms or do you still prefer to keep our good bearded friends payments as cash?
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N
01-04-2005 10:52 am
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Biggot etc
I think it fair to say that some clubs do have to pay players to attract the kind of quality required to remain in the National League. I dont disagree with this but believe that a number of the clubs doing it should be persuaded to put more into attracting youngsters into the game rather than the quick fix foreigner.
Reading, Cannock etc I am sure are able to attract players purely because of who they are and the opportunities and facilities available. I was fortunate enough to be offered a refund of expenses to play for my home town club when I moved away to Uni and then again when I moved with work and I see no problem with this. Nor do I see a problem with lower league sides investing in the experienced player to assist. But clubs must be aware of the pitfalls this brings if it is done to the detriment of club spirit or secure finances!
Get off Reading's back support them and our other elite clubs in their European forays and have respect for Mini Mani Kochar who is man enough to give his name to the posts - Willow salutes you sir!!!
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Berkshire man
01-04-2005 11:07 am
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re : EX PLAYER
who DOESNT need a sponsor in hockey these days!
Sounds like all the talking is going on within the forum and not on the pitch!
thats where it should be happening - cos right now Reading are sitting top of the pile and apart from cannock and L'boro not one single club has challenged the boys!
ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!
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Club Player
01-04-2005 11:52 am
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N
What rubbish you talk. Invest in young talent, that is precisely what our club does and then guess what ? you've got it !! the big clubs poach them or they are told to move by the English team managers/coaches otherwise they will not be concidered for international honours. That is why the top 3 national div 1 clubs are head & shoulders better than the rest.
Scenirio: If there were more teams able to compete weekly with each other (rather than the top 3) this would improve English hockey with a greater number of players capable of attracting the attention of Leeboy and being offered assessments / trials.
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Ms V
01-04-2005 3:09 pm
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biggot
Yes, being a citizen of a Commonwealth country I would know and understand this. However, you have made the assumption that 'he has no right to be here' purely because he is from Egypt and not from a Commonwealth country. Whilst your first question is a valid one, your 'statement' of above said is just speculation and taunting. It is correct to assume that you have no idea what his visa status is, hence the query. But it is not necessary to slander the man!
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N
01-05-2005 3:08 am
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Club player
You are living in a world of butterflies and rainbows. The better players will always look to play at the better clubs as to be the best you must have ambition as an individual.
I played with Barry Middleton for years and was sad to see him leave for Cannock but completely understood why he had to. He has become a better player for it.
The Scenario you suggest will only come about if the number of internationals are limited per team and that is just plain unrealistic. We have lost so much impetus since the Seoul gold and are just not attracting enough school kids to the game and that is what I believe the money we pay mediocre foreigners should be going towards. But that is for the clubs to decide and their members as I do not think that England Hockey have the where with all to shake it up.
Maybe once we have a strong pipeline of juniors we will be able to establish a more competitive league structure and attract the better quality of foreigner from Aus, Holland etc and really improve English Hockey!
Club player stop moaning about inequality and provide some thought and options its easy to sit back and be negative but try thinking of a solution and look at why the juniors are leaving!!
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j
01-05-2005 8:34 am
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ex player
are you a Reading ex player or just a has been. pehaps you should have the decency to identify yourself when making very serious allegations of this nature.
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Mani Kochar
01-05-2005 9:28 am
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Yeah, i'd like to know your name!
Its all well and good hiding behind a name but if you believe in your comments then you wont have a problem letting us know who you are.
Im sure Ronan Daffey, our chairman, as well as other Reading members would love to know who you are and why you feel it appropriate to spread such comments about.
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Juan Sanchos
01-05-2005 6:33 pm
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Ex Player
I agree with Mani, you send like a proper bellend.
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Next Player
01-06-2005 2:41 am
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Mani I would suggest you think before you act. Your dishonesty on the pitch is now being matched by your remarks off it. Tell me that you receive no financial assistance from Reading. That include little "bonus win payments". I would suggest that your club is not alone but to protest your innocence is ridiculous. Best course of action would be to remain silent then these comments would wash over but to remark on them simply adds fuel to the fire that something is going on.
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IC
01-06-2005 7:50 am
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Mishoo
Guys your missing the point - this article is meant to be about an egyptian player trying to make it at one of the best clubs in the country - not whether mani or any of the guys get cash (and even if they do it is deserved because everyone who plays prem works there nuts off with little financial coverage - bar lottery assisted players).
I saw this guy train and his style is totally different to anything in the UK. BUT to be fair to him I think he is going to struggle.
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Player
01-06-2005 12:57 pm
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Next player
I am amazed - what are you talking about? 'Little win bonuses'...!
This thread should be drawn to a halt, because those who are in the know (involved at Reading) have stated their case accurately, and those who aren't in the know are spectulating spectactularly poorly! Whether through ignorance or plain jealousy is unclear...
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Hari
01-06-2005 1:06 pm
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Thread Closed
Enough said on this topic. I'm closing it down.
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Embarrassed.
01-09-2005 9:48 am
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Reading may be our premier side at the moment, but this thread is pretty embarassing.
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berkshire man
01-13-2005 10:59 am
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why?
why is it embarrassing? its a forum - this are being discussed!
maybe not all are positive but its still a form a dialogue.
whats your problem?
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Contributor
01-14-2005 1:59 am
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Birkshire man
"LETS SEE IF THIS ONE MAKES IT"
I have posted a number of comments regarding Reading and of other clubs including my own club, and who ever edits this site must be a Reading member because they have failed to appear. This site will eventually die unless ALL have a say. I particulaly wanted to give names of current & ex Reading players who don't pay a full subs directly and are reimbursed all expenses for training and playing. This is not the impression you get from Readings sanctimonious replies to a number of postings.
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Interested Party
01-15-2005 2:12 am
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Reader
It is now obvious that Readings postings were missleading & arrogant regarding payment of players by what ever method. Why are they not totally transparent about who gets what !!
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berkshire man
01-17-2005 3:53 am
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Yeah - of course this site is running by a Reading HC member.
Hari Kant who lives in Nth America and runs the site form there is a Reading HC member!
(can you people come up with anymore wild accusations cos im sure hari had a good giggle at that. But this has to be the wildest accusation ever - that a website run abroard - is still under Reading HC control - that would be global dominance)
So where is this list? please please please!
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N
01-18-2005 3:04 am
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Why so bothered
Why is everyone so bothered about Reading paying or not paying its players?
Does it really matter??
So what if they are reimbursed expenses, lots of other clubs do it. So what if they are paid, lots of other players are. Sounds to me like the green eyed monster posted most of the responses!!
And for the record I am not a Reading player or supporter and acyually found the team quite arrogant when they visited the Cabbage Patch a couple of years ago but they are one of if not the best side in England...and Europe...and for that they have my support!!
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R
02-15-2005 9:59 am
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No one is bothered, however Reading have denied the fact that they are paid, when everyone knows they are. Thats what all the bother is about.
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