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10-25-2004 3:18 am
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5 surbiton players and they are doing so badly in the league...seems a bit strange!
they have also kept pearn in as well after his ground shaking performances in the olympics!
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Jase
10-25-2004 7:32 am
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Form is temporary. Class is permanent!!
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old timer
10-25-2004 8:27 am
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suad of 35
presumably the other 11 in Lee's squad of 35 are the england regulars not being tried out in Belgium
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Mason
10-25-2004 10:47 am
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Whilst I'm sure he is being rested his exclusion gives the other keepers a chance. It also gives Mason time to decide whether he is a player or an administrator. Some of the comments he has made since coming back from Athens should be nothing to do with him. Also threatening to retire if the system doesn't change to his liking smacks of a guy who thinks he is more important than he actually is. Mason, just play and if you concentrate on just doing that you could be quite good.
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Gary
10-25-2004 1:40 pm
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new look squad
it is good to see that Lee is bringing in some youth into the team. atleast now England and Great Britain hockey will be able to go ahead with the times rather than sitting back and using all the old timers! No offence to them but it is time we as a nation went forward and took risks with the up and coming talents we have, there is alot about and quite frankly they are not being used enough
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Ex Player
10-26-2004 2:10 am
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LEE. I'm delighted that you have gone for new blood, but you have still missed a golden oppotuntiy to have introduced 3 - 4 from div 2 for squad training, then if good enough play them, and if not ! you have kept a large number of knockers of your back !!. Be mindful that the majority of players come from outside the top 4 clubs in div 1 and they all have an opinion which could ultimately effect your position !!.
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Barford Boy
10-26-2004 4:01 am
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Typical
as usual no asian players involved in the squad!
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Sceptical
10-26-2004 8:29 am
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Ex Player
Why not name some names? Who are these great players in Div 2??
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Very Scepticla
10-26-2004 9:30 am
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Division 1 is an atrocious league. I dread to think what baggage is to be found in division 2 especially with the HA's new found wisdom of increasing the number of dreadful teams in the national league
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Name them
10-26-2004 10:03 am
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please also name the asian players good enough to be in the England squad.
Im all for asian flair in the england squad - in fact i think it would really take us forward. But please tell me who is fit enough, technically competant and has the temprement as well as the asian flair to carry it off at international level??
Ok, so we wont know fully until we give them a try - but i bet the usual suspects from Prem 2 and 3 will come up.
Jason Lee is a clever bloke and i doubt he is prejudiced. The fact he has picked a very young squad speaks volumes.
Id love to see some asian names in there but unfortunately none spring to mind.
Oh, and stick blocking gets penalised in international competition.
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Lazybones
10-26-2004 11:12 am
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Sceptical
If ex player gave names, idiots like you would openly berate on this site.
Get real.
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Robbo
10-26-2004 11:44 am
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Actually, it's four from the Athens GB side. Yes, who are these lower division players?
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boomshaketheroom
10-26-2004 3:25 pm
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shut up. get over it. ali wilson is the best asian player in ther league.
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Scout
10-26-2004 6:00 pm
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Asian Player
There is a young lad by the the name of Satvinder Bhogal who plays for Barford Tigers. I have seen him play in a few games and is very fit, quick and skillfull. This boy could really do with a look in for the England Squad. Jason Lee could do with looking at him.
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10-27-2004 3:12 am
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Hampstead & Westminster are 4th and no players in the Squad......???
Never heard of some of these guys in the Squad?? Where is Hawes, Garrard, wallis etc etc.......Amsterdam and KZHC not releasing them?? Not surprised with the mickey mouse squad that has been selected!
Maybe Lee should get the axe after his 'great' work in Athens and building up to it......were some great results???
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Asian Veteran
10-27-2004 4:02 am
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asian players
If jason Lee is experimenting with a young Look England side im sure he could invite a few Asian Players to the Camps at the very least..it can only improve them as Players...
As for Asian Players with the the potential to represent their country, hence im not saying there good enough yet..but given the chance to play and compete with and against the elite hockey players, surely they will get better, Tejinder hanspal should surely get a chance to at least be invited to camps....as should the other two Youngsters who have been around and playing national league for quite a while with Old Loughts, Amrit Singh and Indy Panesar. these are the only players which i feel should have a chance too represent thier country and if not represent thier country then at least be invited to camps for them to inprove...
Opinions will definately vary on this site about what i think.....its only an opinion and therefore everyone is entitled to it....
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Player
10-27-2004 7:06 am
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Satvinder 'SAUCE' Bhogal
The comments by SCOUT are true. This guy is trully amazing and Jason Lee should really look at him.
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Name them
10-27-2004 8:13 am
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I appreciate the comments on the asian players that you feel should be in the squad - have any of these played junior international? Maybe that is why they are overlooked.
Cannok have a great young asian player in England U21s whose name escapes me momentarily - maybe in time he can break through hopefully?
Should there be camps for the better younger National League players who realistically will not play international - but developing them would improve the leagues. This would include asian, black and white players.
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Asian Veteren
10-27-2004 11:14 am
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Only 1 of the 3 named players has had exposure to international hockey, which is Amrit singh at old Loughts (A Nicky Thompson Boy), have been told has represented England U-18's Juniors but not at a major tournament. For what reason is he being over looked? As for tejinder hanspal and Indy panesar they have not represented at junior international level...but then again nor did Ben sharpe and what a great player he became on the international front.....im not comparing these players to Ben sharpe just pointing out that once given a chance anything could happen.
cannock young asian star is Harry Jawanda and in time maybe he could make the international seen.well i hope he does.but realistically hes a different type of asian player compared to those ive mentioned. good luck to him!
players mentioned do deserve a chance... why not give it to them.....throw them in the deep end and see what happens!
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Experienced
10-27-2004 12:14 pm
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SELECTION
You guys are mad...before the Olympics you slag off Leeboy for not bringing youth into the Olympic team. He gets a load of rubbish for picking the old school guys, then as soon as he axes them for players who have the potential to do well in the future you slag him off for picking people you have never heard of! If you were a premiership player you would have heard of every single one of those guys. All of them could potentially do well for England in the future. Make up your minds what you want...Experienced p[layers who have never won anything and were shown up in the olympics of new guys that some insignificant people may not have heard of theat might just be the key to England winning something in the future!
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astounded
10-27-2004 12:46 pm
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why all this 'give the asian boys a chance?' yeah fine do if theyr good enough. but as for the boy from barford, hes hardly playing on the stage to prepare him for international hockey and having seen him play this year i would happily admit hes a good national 3 player. but that certainly does not mean he should b given a chance for england...does it???
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Old Timer
10-27-2004 4:40 pm
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astounded
It is absolutely amazing how people have short memories! When the Asian hockey was at its strongest back in 80s, 90% of any England side could have been based on Asian players. But did that happen, of course not. Lesser English players were given chance after chance, and some of them came good. David Faukner, Seoul gold medalist, is a very good example. At that time a combination of English organisation, discipline and strength and Asian flair and hockey knowledge paid dividends.
Now that Asian hockey is in the decline, what is so wrong in bit of positive
discrimination, as it happened the other way in the past. Believe me, if it results in producing one or two decent Asian players, it can only benefit our international sides. But I'm not holding my breath, nothing of this sort will happen, and the Asian hockey will be dead in about 8-10 years. Some of you will be glad but the English hockey will be poorer without the Asian influence.
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Player
10-27-2004 6:58 pm
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GB/England
What this country lacks is an out and out goalscorer, someone who will put the ball into the goal with no fuss! There must be players who fit this bill out there somewhere?
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real world
10-28-2004 1:13 am
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BARRY!!! What about Bazza!!!?? He fits the bill...
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Southgate Observer
10-28-2004 5:32 am
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Bobby Bhogal
In his time this guy could put the ball away with no problems from anywhere in the 'D'.
He I think was overlooked and think could still do the job. I saw this player at the indoor tournament at crystal palace, he actually tore a apart the teams on the day with some amazing goals. Where are you mate....
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Player
10-28-2004 5:36 am
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Asian Veteran
Please do not narrow down to only the players that you know. There are othere and GB/England should make an effort not to overlook them. Satvinder Bhogal is one which should not be overlooked. He is young and can be tuned into the structures required.
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JJ Wellman!
10-28-2004 5:42 am
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asians!
There arent any of international standard ANYWHERE in the leagues!
We go on about the boys at OL's but they are hardly producing week in/week out.
The guy from Indian Gym joined Teddington for a season and then bailed out.......so much for Asian staying power and up for a challenge.
The guy from Reading is Asian but plays an english type game which is probably why he was selected.
The young guy at Cannock is a great talent but still too young!
That is the simple reason why we have no Asian players.
So please stop going on, either the Asian community produce the players, or they should keep quiet until the time arises when they do have a player worthy of an international call up.
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Old Boy
10-28-2004 7:37 am
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Asian Players
In answer to the reason why Amrit singh and Indy panesar at old Loughts have not got into the England side is quite easy, they are not good enough. At the moment Amrit struggles with holding down a regular 1st XI place and often looks of the pace. While his skills are exceptional, his fitness and hockey brain is not there. Indy has had problems with fitness for a number of years but this has improved and at least he is playing regularly but he is not standing out for the team and is not worthy of an England call up.
I am all for Asian players playing for England and would love to see some of that flair harnessed. However this has to be combined with fitness and a hockey brain so as to carry out what Lee Boy is trying to acheive. The criteria seems straight forward you have to play in the Premier Division to be selected and you have to be showing you are consistantly performing. If you are not able to shine in a very poor National Premier Division then how are you expected to compete against the best players in Europe or the World.
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Asian Veteren
10-28-2004 8:12 am
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JJ, Wellmen & astounded
How can u say that there arnt any of international standards... if they were thrown into the squad and given the chance to train with the elite..surely they would improve!
Yes we do Go on about the 2 boys from OL's and Tejinder hanspal simply because they probably are the the best Young asian players around at the moment! Can u blame Tejinder hanspal for leaving Teddington? everyone else seemed to leave that club too if im not mistaken, so what did he do wrong?....maybe if he went to another Prem club the arguement might have been different?..but thats another issue.
Manpreet kocher from reading is far past his best and like you said does not really play an asian game. (Asian by name definately not Asian by nature!)
As for asian hockey on the decline.i completely agree with you, within the next 5 or so years asian hockey will be very much finished in this country which is a shame and a loss! as ive mentioned before there are a few around that can hopefully be recognised and pushed further through for developement. Or is it the case of these players moving into 1 of the top 4 clubs, i.e Cannock, Reading, Surbiton, Loughborough st, to actually be recognised and be given a chance.
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kenyan
10-28-2004 12:34 pm
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asian players
It is hardly suprising that Scotland and Wales are not keen to sacrifice their national identity for GB. As has happened with the case of Asian players they would have been swamped by representation from England.
Without exposing younger asian players at county & international level it will/has caused decline in the number of asians playing hockey within the UK.
The Olympics was a clear example of asian hockey (Pakistan) doing serious damage to GB. It was not only fitness (an over-rated comidity for people who lack skill) but skill !.
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N
10-29-2004 2:35 am
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All the above
This has been discussed at length on previous threads and the same conclusions were drawn.
Southgate Observer - to suggest Bobby Bhogal is anywhere near international standard is laughable. You are a decade or so out of touch. Go watch some hockey and you may learn something about the state of Asian hockey in England.
Asian Veteran - Slagging off Manpreet is a bad move. He is a personal friend and a very good hockey player who has got himself back from a near fatal car crash to play at the top level again in the domestic leagues. You shout about Tejinder, Amrit and Indy but none have proved good enough in the Premier league. Tejinder had a terrible season at Teddington when he could have proved his international pedigree. And another thing why should a mediocre asian player be pushed into the elite squad when there are 10/20 others who deserve the chance more? Positive discrimination is not good and thankfully the hockey teams do not have quotas to fill for nationalities.
I agree it would be great to have Asian flair in the current setup but the talent is not there. Stop moaning about it and do something!!!
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Observer
10-29-2004 5:17 am
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Satvinder Bhogal
All things aside. Jason Lee should at least take a look at this guy. He nothing to loose and everything to gain. All you people are talking about has beens. Stop it. They were never fit enough to play international hockey although there was some asian guy coming from Leeds a few years back to play sfor Southgate who was extremeley fit.
Anyhow, come on Mr Lee, give this boy a look.........
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JJ Wellman
10-29-2004 6:47 am
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manny K
I also know this guy!
Certainly doesnt play a typical asian game.......but in retrospect thats a brave move as he has adapted his quick hand speed with a lot of passing and leg work!
This is something that the Barford/Indian Gym boys NEVER do at the weekend.
As far as i could see this guy took what he was good at and combined it with what the English were good at and has done very well!
he cant be that bad......he's played premier league for as long as ive known him and at Reading. If he wasnt up to the standard he'd have been dropped long ago.
I mean its not as if Reading havent had great players in the past and present!
He;s been able to play alongside the best of them.
Bravo!
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bedford
10-29-2004 7:07 am
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stedders
Lee has picked a star in James Stedman, a young lad who has been brought up playing an asian style of hockey, great cricket player and great lad. One for the future.
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Geoff
10-29-2004 7:20 am
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The Solution
I think it's quite obvious, the answer to all England and GB's problem s is Will Naylor. Unleash the ginger warrior on the international scene!
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Inbred Lover
10-29-2004 7:25 am
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More Inbreds Needed
Put the whole Cannock squad in as the England squad!!
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J
10-29-2004 11:08 am
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Mani
How can a guy in his mid twenties be past it! I've played with Manners and he has skills. Unfortunately he's had to play in a system where skills aren't encouraged. I would submit that he has drifted from the international side due to his insistence on passing the ball forward! Once he realises that all he has to do is trap the ball and pass it backwards or sideways he will be back in the squad. (Please read the last two sentences in a sarcastic voice)
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oriental honey
10-29-2004 11:40 am
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agreed. get bell-schnieff in the England team. what a hero
Naylor for world player of the year (if you ignore a slightly 'budget' performance away in the cup last week)
ps stedman's style is about as asian as naylor's i.e not at all. what are you talking about bedford?!
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team player
10-29-2004 3:09 pm
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bobby bhogal/asian game
to suggest that bobby bhogal isn't or wasn't good enough is a load of rubbish. he at least deserved a chance in the england selection system/camp. he played for southgate for 5/6 seansons when they were at the top of there game. this is a feet that any player would have found hard to gain selection in the starting 11. and as for his capabilities on and off the pitch, it is easy to see the determination and commitment for the sport. he has all aspects for a blend of indian/english way of play, which would suit the european game. he was denied a chance to represent the country when he was at the top of his game, mainly because of the "old boys" selection commitee where players who lacked the brian for the game were taken onboard. these days fitness is the main problem in the asian game, with the exceotion of a handful of nation league players. if this prolem was amended then i personally dont see the players fighting for the postions in the england/gb teams. if players are not given the chances then there will be a lack of asian flair, but this is the job for the selectors to work and improve on.
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10-29-2004 3:14 pm
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manpreet k
he is a good player. thats about it really! not a team player, no fit enough, under-performing most of the time.
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prem
10-29-2004 6:44 pm
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fitness
the talent is there in the asian players but only a handful are fit enough for the higher leagues or international levels.
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agreed
10-30-2004 4:23 am
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yeah......naylor prefers the oriental style
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bedford
10-30-2004 5:12 am
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stedman
To the loughborough student (oriental hockey). It's called sarcasm, the lowest form of wit, but still too intellectual for you obviously! oh dear!
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****
10-30-2004 6:22 am
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having played against barford tigers this season it is ridiculous to say that 'sauce' is good enough for england.
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Bambi
10-30-2004 10:34 am
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Naylor
William 'Hard as nails' Naylor or the Schnefter as he is know is indeed a fantastic player. Although not an asian himself he recently has become more culutrued studying the oriental arts much more. He has a great tan and a good work ethic. England will always benefit from his muscular style of oriental hockey. Schnefter for England
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Miken (The Ghetto Smurf!!)
10-30-2004 6:12 pm
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I'm Asian. I've played for lufbra students. Can I play for England, please?
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Bedford?
10-31-2004 4:02 am
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wit? yes....sorry i didnt get the joke....very funny......well done.
p.s ha ha ha aha ha.....oh dear
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tails
10-31-2004 4:42 am
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miken
miken should indeed be in the gb squad but he has passport issues,the snefftaon the other hand is indeed smart sexy cool and has deceptively big weapon.
whats about the underrated overweight landlord
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team player
10-31-2004 7:19 am
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reply to **** 'sauce'
no one said he should! so before you start to publish your articals in future make sure you have your facts correct. as for SAUCE people are suggesting that he should be, a least in the camp. if you have played against him then you must be aware of his performances against Prem 3 leaders holcolmbe. in this game he played some sintilating hockey againsnt a team full of international players. surely this must mean that he is a useful outfit! if a chance were given he may shine even more.
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Barb Martin
10-31-2004 10:14 am
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NO Miken you is well knot bling enuff 4 this England ting!!!!!!!
Will Naylor for Burkina Faso Select
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hockey geek
10-31-2004 1:01 pm
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who is j.stedman
i am an avid hockey watcher and i recognise all the names on the list except for james stedman?does anyone know who this is?
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singh
11-01-2004 2:15 am
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indian
what about Ravi Virdi - most skillful player in the uk
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S
11-01-2004 3:55 am
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N's comments
I agree with what you say regarding asian players. I'm an asian player and have played primarily with asian sides from the beginning. Hanspal had the opportunity to play and prove himself for England, he chose to go back to Indian Gym (I believe?). Amrit and Indy from Old Loughts aren't good enough for international hockey. People can argue all you want, but unless you are fit and have the legs and are capable of basics such as sharp stopping and good hitting (and I mean quick and clean hitting) you can't play for England. Now, that is something they could work on and prove me wrong. Unfortunetly thats the case with a lot of asian players. I also say it's a shame we have no top asian side anymore in Premier/Div 1 setting an example - so if you play in one of the Div 2 sides you have quite some way to go to play international. I know having watched a lot of international hockey the step up from being a good player to international is a big step - you have to have consistency in everything. So if my asian friends want to prove all wrong go out there and join some of the premier clubs and commit yourselves.
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Formhorse
11-01-2004 8:44 am
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goalscorer
IF GREG NICOL WAS ENGLISH OR KWAN BROWNE WAS ENGLISH THEY WOULD GET SELECTED FOR OUR CURRENT TEAM.NICOL IS PLAYING IN DIV 2 AND KWAN DID LAST YEAR BUT DID KWAN SCORE 51 GOALS LAST YEAR OR WILL NICOL THIS YEAR BUT A YOUNG ENGLISH LAD DID.
AND HE GOT A HATFULL AGAINST THE ASIAN SIDES WHO TO THERE CREDIT WERE FULL OF PRAISE OF HIM .KWAN GOT DIV 2 PLAYER OF THE SEASON WHICH I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHEN SOMEONE BREAKS THE MOST GOALS EVER SCORED IN A SEASON .
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Hilarious
11-01-2004 9:23 am
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After reading some of the comments made on this thread, I cant help but laugh at some of them.
According to some (probably Prem 1 players) its a necessity for asians to be playing in our so-called 'top' division to test themselves with the 'best'. But these people dont seem to understand that our Prem 1 is actually a poor division compared to many leagues abroad. Theres no emphasis on skill or finesse, its all power. Is it a wonder that asians dont play in the division? They all seem to think that asian hockey is backward, but easily forget Pakistan thrashing them in Athens! The truth is Asians in Britain are not good enough to play the brand of hockey played in Prem 1. But who honestly wants to play that sort of game!!! International standard hockey has far more to do with skill and technique, this is why asians should be given a chance in development squads.
Yes, some asians need to prove their fitness levels and the physical side of their game. But these are things that players can increase, unlike talent.
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HASBEEN
11-01-2004 9:24 am
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LEE can do everybody a favour by selecting a number of our Asian friends and other talented players from div 2 & 3 and any he missed from div 1 for training sessions / weekends. What has he to lose !! He is bound to find at least 2 maybe 3 who make the grade, then everybody can get of his back and let him get on with the job of coaching our national team and winning something.
But, alas, It won't happen !! he has fixed ideas about div 1 & 2 players, and if it did !! and players were good enough, pressure would be brought to bear in them joining one of his favourate top 4 prem div 1 teams, thus decimating the clubs who have invested time and money in these players. English hockey will remain as it is "crap" until we have a dozen or so good clubs who can compete weekly with one-another and just not compete amongst the top 4-5 teams. We need lots of competitive games throughout our hockey season to establish 16 - 22 top quality hockey players to become genuine contenders for international honors, and my belief is, they need competitive games weekly and not just a couple of league matches a year. (as the top 4-5 div 1 teams have) Moral of the long winded scenario is, don't presure all our young talent into joining a few of the favoured hockey clubs with the promise of an England training call-up. Keep them where they are and develop the game at club level, and the clubs will furnish LEE or his successors with abundance of talent for the future.
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Old Timer
11-01-2004 9:41 am
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Formhorse's comments
Get a grip. Tindall scored lots of goals last year in Div 2 and has now been rewarded with a place in the latest England Under 21s squad which IMO is fair as it gives him a chance to prove himself - and good luck to him. However, this does not yet make him the equal of Kwane Browne or Greg Nicol who, despite now playing in Div 2 for money, have proved themselves at a much higher level and are undoubtably qulaity players.
In addition, maybe you need to consider that being a great hockey player does not necessarily mean scoring the most goals in the team - Kwane adds a lot more than just goal scoring to team play.
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Confused
11-01-2004 10:05 am
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Formhorse
Formhorse how is the young lad doing at the moment? Within his current team still scoring at over a game?
In hockey names are all that matters it seems!
On the asian note why does it matter what they look like surely if they are good enough they play. Is this not what happened with harry Jawanda at the U21's!
It is time for people to step up to the mark and perform.
Lee is trying to address those who have not performed and replace them. Good Luck to all the players especially the new breed!
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Kenyan
11-01-2004 11:47 am
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re - England hockey player
In response to the comments made by EHP, does anyone know what happened to London Indians ?. Perhaps it is time to use a similar principle to concentrate and develop Asian hockey in the UK semi-independently from the current bunch of muppets who run hockey in the UK.
Also think lottery funding may have been counter-productive. This has permitted the formation of a bureaucratic organisation that concentrates on slogans/spin (e.g. performance director, world class). Do need less control to allow individual flair to develop
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Div 2 Player
11-01-2004 2:59 pm
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Old Timer
Having played numerous times against both the players i believe that there is just as much influence for their teams as the other. You have to remember that Tindall plays inside left and so has a massive influence and is not just a forward as i originally thought. Browne was as well as very strong and fantastic player but the young lad took the plate as he did have a sense around him at a young age and is not playing for money!
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Old Timer
11-02-2004 3:08 am
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Fair enough re: Tindall. I haven't seen much of him as we play in the Prem league but I have heard good things about him. He is now being given the chance to prove himself as a higher level in the U21s and I hope he carries the good performances forward. My point really was re: Formhorse's comments that given that Tindall, Browne and Nicol are playing in the same league and all doing well, and we would pick Nicol and Browne for England if they were qualified, then we should also pick Tindall for England. I didn't feel this followed since Browne and Nicol have proved themselves at a much higher level whereas Tindall is yet to do so - hopefully he will with the U21s but it is a bit premature at the moment.
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Jimmy
11-02-2004 3:49 am
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Love thy Shneeeeeeeeeeeeef!!
William 'The Enforcer' Naylor is undoubtedly the solution to Engalnd and GB's woes. His muscular, aggressive and no holds barred variety of hockey has won him many admirers, especially in East Asian quarters!
I must also agree with the proposal of Matthew Rowlands for GB captain. A fine leader of men if ever I saw one. And his record as captain speaks for itself!!
And while we're at it, get the Ghetto Smurf in - and put Tayls in charge of drinks for the GB squad!!
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EG Member
11-02-2004 5:17 am
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Lets put the records straight. K Browne is paid by sponsors as a coach to EG and earns every penny. "I wish we could pay him trebble, because he is worth it !!" but alas don't have the funds. He coaches at all levels within our club, is admired and respected by kids as youngs as 7 through to the first team players for the tremendous time and effort he puts into coaching at all levels throughout the club.
Those hockey players who know this gentleman, will also know he is intelegent, and a very fine coach and player. EG are extremly lucky to have aquired his services and prey he stays with our club for many many seasons to come.
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The Gimp
11-02-2004 12:19 pm
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Asian Players within the GB Squad
Any suggestion that Great Britain, draws upon all players within these wonderful isles is a fallacy. One feels that British hockey is still the perserve of white middle class former public school boys, one wonders even more that those that "scout" for such international players stick to the preserves they know best ignoring the less troddened route in search of exceptional players.
Suggesting that such players cannot be found in lower leagues is just plain arrogance.
As a great man once said " to find the most rare and beautiful orchid you do not look on the path, but off the M5"
More importantly it is not his skin that matters but what he does with his stick.
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Player
11-03-2004 6:04 am
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Other sports
Lets teach our kids to play other individual sports where progression is based on own performance and not some obtuse minded group of selectors. This situation of selection is never going to change in this country so I say please stop with all this.
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CUT THE c***
11-03-2004 1:50 pm
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Hello one and all,
TIRED? FED UP WITH THE SAME OLD COMPLAINTS, FROM THE SAME OLD PEOPLE? WELL HERE IS THE SOLUTION. CHANGE PEOPLE'S OPINIONS BY WARRANTING SELECTION!!!
Too long have we heard the complaints of asian players and parents in hockey circles.
I lose count of the number of times that I have heard this little chesnut. Picture the scene if you will. You turn up for a match only to be told that this team have an asian player who played 'Gold Star' or the equivalent level of hockey back in the asian sub-continent, only for him to be overlooked consistently by the racist hockey institutions within Britain. Fast forward to the actual game and the player in question is two/three stones overweight, has great skills, lacks mobility and spends all game swearing at the umpire in a foreign language. Sorry (actually i am not sorry for my opinions) to draw stereotypes about asian players, but if we are drawing stereotypes on this site as many appear to have done about english hockey then so be it.
British Asian hockey lives in a comfort zone, whre it is easier to complain from the peripheries about perceived injustices than to force the issue upon British selectors by getting a top quality, committed, forward looking asian club into the higher reaches of the national league.
As a line in American History X says, 'How long do we have to feel sorry for the apparently disadvantaged in this country,'
Cut the c*** and make GB selectors stand up and take notice, not bottle out of the challenge of premier league hockey after one abortive season. Yes the traditional British player may not have the wondrous skills of the Asian players but they are prepared to make massive sacrifices in their lives to be all they can be, and for this they should be rewarded. It makes me very angry for idiots on this website to moan at the efforts of others, and what makes me more annoyed is the assumption that Hockey in this wonderful country owes the Asian fraternity a chance to prove itself. WELL IT DOES NOT OWE YOU ANYTHING AS ASIAN HOCKEY PUTS SO LITTLE BACK INTO HOCKEY IN THIS COUNTRY!!
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Old and Bald
11-04-2004 3:27 am
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Young Players
Due to the corruption in the English hockey system (i.e only 'friends' and 'family' of coaches who pick county/regional squads) a lot of youngsters are being overlooked for the senior England setup. This is very much the case in Essex, where for the last 3/4 years, the whole squad has been mainly made up of one team (Braintree/Southendians). A lot of players should be playing international at U18 level that aren't. David Hall, Matt Baldock and Patrick Fisher of Old Loughtonians are the nost fearsome strike trio arguably in the nation yet they have been overlooked. Being in the U18 squad will allow them to be scouted for senior honours. I agree with sets of players from one club to be included i.e the midfield all from one club, as they know each others' games extremely well. If you watch the three aforementioned play together for the U18 colts you will know what I'm saying. They do not play for the same men's team at present due to the shocking state of affairs of the Loughts Mens 2nd XI meaning Baldock and Fisher have to help them out. In my playing days I have yet seen a trio of players to work so well together. LOOK AT THEM LEE, AND FORCE THEM TO ANOTHER CLUB IF NECESSARY TO GIVE THEM REGULAR 1ST TEAM ACTION, AS LOUGHTS LEAVE THEM IN THE 2S AS THEY ARE TOO SHOCKING TO PLAY WITHOUT THEM!!!!!Excuse the capitals, but these boys need a chance. I played for Chelmsford 1s so I know what I'm talking about. Thank you for reading.
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Getto Smurf
11-04-2004 7:06 am
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Old and Bald
I too have encountered such a trio full of asain flair, speed, power, change of pace and brute force. They are known as William Naylor, Joe Cowan and Matthew Rowland.
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"Gold Star"
11-04-2004 8:01 am
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Re: CUT THE C***
Asian hockey has given nothing back to this country??? What a stupid comment. It seems you are a very narrow minded person who steriotypes about asians hockey players. I'm sorry you never feind a white hockey player that is overweight do you? I've never come across any of them!!! So they may be players that are a few stones heavier than what they should be; but if u actually go out their and see top asian hockey sides in action and to your amazement you actually will find very fit atheltic young asian hockey players with great flair!
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segnwoabn g
11-04-2004 9:59 am
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old and bald?
you played for chelmsford eh? wow you really must be an expert then. only coaches friends and family get picked do they? what a load of rubbish.
get a life...the best will always show themselves and get a chance.....even if they arent always picked.
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Old Timer
11-04-2004 10:21 am
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Cut the c***
What has Asian hockey given to this country? Ask the Seoul gold medalists! They will tell you :
- how countless practice games aganst London Indians, side based on Asian players and Asian style of hockey, game them the opportunity to learn form far superior players
- how the likes of Kerly, Dodds and others improved their hockey as a result of playing with Asian players
- how Imran Sherwani and Kulbir and many others helped England & GB to shine at international stage.
I could go on, but this narrow minded person is either totally ignorant or taking the p***.
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Young Barford Lad
11-04-2004 10:32 am
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ASIAN HOCKEY PUTS SO LITTLE BACK INTO HOCKEY IN THIS COUNTRY!! ?? i think u should 'CUT THE C***'
What are you on about mate? u havent got a clue. this is what all the discussions about, if asian players were given the chance 2 play for their counties, regions, etc, they would bring a lot back into hockey in this country. the point is they are not getting the chance. u with me so far? forget about national level mate, asian players arent even getting the in-look at midlands, or hell, at county level! one typical example is when tigers U16 team won the county honours a few years back, beating all the other teams with the midlands/county and went on 2 beat another county champion at the national hockey stadium in milton keynes that year, . how many players in the tigers team had any county level midland or count experience at all? NONE! the county side at that time was run by 3 different club coaches who picked their own club players. i know 4 a fact there were some very talented players in that team. yes, its only U16 and only county level, but giving some of these guys chances has 2 start somewhere! through playing for counties/midlands, is how they will get noticed by the national coaches. it all has 2 start somewhere, and right now, there arent many places 2 start for these youngsters.
'old and bold' got it right first time, saying these coaches only pick players they r friends with etc. and what i am saying is that if these youngsters dont get picked to play at county/midland level at the younger ages, even though they are more than capable of doing so, how do you expect to have the older players getting picked 4 the national side? they are more than enough willing and able young asians out there who r extremely talented and with the right training, they could be made into top class players. and all the bulls*** about these asians being 'two/three stones overweight, has great skills, lacks mobility and spends all game swearing at the umpire in a foreign language', well, u obviously have been watching the same asian dude playing all the time, because i dont think every asian player is 2/3 stones overweight, so get your facts right first and then open your mouth.
no one is drawing stereotypes about english hockey, all that is being said is that things right now need 2 improve at national level and a lot of people believe that a blend of asian and english style players would be something 2 experiment with, if not be the answer. this has not been tried in the past, and it wouldnt hurt if it were tried now, as recent past olmpics and other tournaments show that whatever is going on right now at national level in our country isnt exactly working.
national level fitness and basics could be hammered into someone over a short period of time and training, but natural skill is jst that, they either have it or dont. surprisingly a lot of young asians do, and not surprisingly, a lot of the current crop of county/midland/england boys dont.
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Hilarious
11-04-2004 12:20 pm
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"Cut the C***" what a fool!
Dont bother with this guy. He's probably one of those boys who's had one of Daddie's friends selecting him for county/regional/England throughout his career!
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Non Asian
11-04-2004 4:19 pm
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about th Asians
Saini, Kehhar, Bhaura, The Deeguns, Sherwani, Soma Singh, Tahker, Kocher, Hanspal.....................is anyone else seeing a gradual decline.
These boys started as world beaters and have got slightly worse through each progression.
They are hardly world beaters now BUT (please listen)....neither are the rubbish that the rest of the English Hockey league have been producing!
The Asian playing population has simple mirrored our leagues.
No blame culture, no political agenda's, no racism, NO NOTHING
Simply not good enough be they Hindu/Christian/Muslim/Sikh..........The English have not been good enough!
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11-05-2004 1:20 am
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true story
An england under 18 player a few years ago join a new club in the south and went for division trials, and guess what ! he didn't make it, because the selectors were school teachers and picked their pupils instead. I wonder if the "little brown packages passed hands". This fact can be checked out as the lad is playing senior hockey for a top prem 1 side and England now. But guess what the lad and 7 other selected for this divisional side never made it. These selectors are poberbly still operating in the hockey junior selection system and still choosing their freinds sons and taking their little brown packages.
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BELFAST MAN
01-17-2005 7:40 am
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I THINK MARK GLEGHORNE WHO PLAYS FOR LOUGHBOROUGH UNI IS AN AMAZING PLAYER WHO I THINK SHOULD GET A CALL UP TO THE SQUAD, ANY COMMENTS?
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