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Edge
08-16-2004 2:48 am
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GB
Wathced the game lats night - wish the commetators would stop explaining the rules all the time! GB were poor - so what they beat a poor Egypt side - they forced two short corners all game and probably created 6-7 scoring chance - not good enough!
We will need to improve by Tuesday - 6.30am start on Interactive for those interested.
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hockey geek
08-16-2004 5:46 am
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anyone else notice how criminally inept craig parnham was? why do eng and GB keep picking these lame old men on the strength their reputation or 'experience'. it is a joke. there are so many people who could have played that position so much better than parnham. if you pass 9/10 times to the oppo from left half (and the 1 was always a bouncing pass to full-back) when playing the worst team in the group, then in my book, you shouldnt be in the team.
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umhh
08-16-2004 9:27 am
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re hockey geek
C'mon geek, he was great at passing backwards.....as he did it 99% of the time.
We got the result we wanted, but how dull were we??
Everything goes backwards or sideways and there is little or no creativity up front. Is it simply because we can't pass forwards and when we do the forwards can never stop the bouncing bombs?
Unless something fantastic happens, we are gonna struggle.
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The Desolate OOne
08-16-2004 11:03 am
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Edge
Thanks for the time check on the game tomorrow will watch with interest!!
umhh:
Does it matter how the boys play as long as they win. If the winning/ only goal in the final comes blatantly of Barry 'Hockey's Rooney' Middleton's big toe and flies high in to the net - I for one will be celebrating!!!
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NLP
08-16-2004 11:06 am
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Parnham! Please get rid of him. He's old, dull and most importantly totally rubbish. He kept passing the ball to Egypt and when Hawesy scored his corner he didn't go and celebrate with the team at all he just walked back. He used to be very strong but now he is passed it. Middleton, proper bo i tell thee!
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Jules
08-16-2004 11:10 am
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Desolate One
No it doesnt matter how they play as long as they win. But if they play like that against the other teams in their group, they dont stand a chance of winning against any of them.
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Irritated
08-16-2004 11:18 am
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Poor Commentators
BBC please can you get with a good grounding in the rules and the interpretations of hockey and preferably a team that has done this job before and have experience in commentating at large international hockey tournaments.
If it?s not too much to ask, please can their background knowledge of the players, especially those outside of GB be improved and lastly please let them improve on their facts about previous tournaments as well.
If it may help give them a media pack to improve their knowlege.
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random
08-16-2004 11:31 am
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re : EDGE
he kept explaining cos the rules of hockey are so bloody complicated!
And they arent only comentating to hockey players.....they are to the whole country!
So its good that those who ARENT in the know......become so!
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Liz
08-16-2004 11:58 am
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Edge, the commentators constantly remind the viewers of the rules because a lot are unfamiliar with them. How is hockey supposed to gain more spectators if the people who watch do not have a clue what is going on?
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Loser
08-16-2004 12:00 pm
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Irritated
Theres a little button on your remote called the 'Mute' button. If your really that irriated by the commentary press that button and you can commentate yourself.
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GB HOCKEY FAN
08-16-2004 12:39 pm
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GB not a bad start, they could take a leaf out of the Netherlands Indoor team i think. Anyone agree?
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HVWF
08-16-2004 3:55 pm
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Surely Jonty, Mants, Westie and Glenda must be wondering what more they need to do when watching Stott/Moore, Parnham, Moodie and Dunlop. Common, this is the Olympics. Players are meant to be at their best... Gutsy win, however dull, a great start and the required result but with that lot if you swapped those named adsent with the named playing a medal could be a possibility. Not likely though is it.
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apex
08-16-2004 4:02 pm
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we are getting away from what is important here - parnham out! what a loser. he cant pass to our team. why is he there? leeboy is a legend but i think he made a mistake taking old man parnham. there is a limit to how many mediocre players barry can carry.
p.s. i really enjoyed the monotoned, coma-inducing commentry, but perhaps they could get alan shearer in to liven things up a bit
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Jock
08-16-2004 4:20 pm
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To HVWF
Yeah, what must those guys think? Because you have to play the same 11 best players for each and every game, especially against the weakest team in the group right?
Get real, it's a squad game and a win is a win - stop moaning and get behind the team!
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Q
08-17-2004 2:07 am
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HVWF
Stop name dropping geek - jonty, mants, glenda, westie
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Neil
08-17-2004 2:43 am
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Parnham and the boys
Agree that Parnham was poor against Egypt and even worse against Korea.
Our front line also looks lacking in ideas, unless Barry is on the ball. Jonty and Jonah would have definetely added to that. Think Moodie is having a pretty good tournament myself.
Heres hoping for a miracle in the last 3 games - and his name is Middleton!!
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HVWF is a Muppet
08-17-2004 2:58 am
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HVWF
What game have you been watching u freak?
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Edge's Respose
08-17-2004 5:16 am
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Re: Commentators explaining the rules
I agree that we are looking to broaden the game nationally but do you really think that non-hockey players are firstly interested in the hockey to get up at 6.30am or watch it on interactive in the evening - and indeed can understand what Nick Rawlins is explaining.
All they seem to do is hark on about 1988 and when Eklry won the gold Middleton was 4! This morning they metioned that 4 times.
Gb were unlucky this morning - but 4 short corners and no goas is a poor record! Would Matthews have done any better?
Aslo, I know it is hot but are we doing to many subs?
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shinpad
08-17-2004 8:14 am
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subs
We only had 13 outfield players avaliable to play today because of the injury Graham Dunlop sustained yesterday. Quick rotations have been a feature of GB's tactics throughout their build up and so are nothing new and i would guess not particularly to do with the heat, although that must obviously be a factor.
And i know plenty of non-hockey players who were enthusing about the speed and skills of the game after watching some of the hockey over their breakfasts before work this morning!!
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b
08-17-2004 11:00 am
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pearn
Pearny seemed to be off the boil in both games so far (although thats after watching BBC1 coverage so limited view). In the past he would be the most skillful player on the park, but now nothing at all.
Parnham poor again I agree. To think they dropped Rob Todd and Jason Collins.
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b?
08-17-2004 11:58 am
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rob todd is a decent player. but jason collins?! i hope you are being sarcastic. my grandma is more agile and athletic than him. and she is no longer with us.
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what??
08-17-2004 3:27 pm
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Commentary
My god, I couldn't believe my ears. I just watched the Germany vs Spain game and no wonder hockey is seldom on TV! For someone who was once Britains leading hockey player, he apparently knows absolutely nothing. How much did he get wrong in is commentary?? In some instances it was almost comical, and whoever the muppet from the BBC who is with him should learn something about the game before attempting to describe it.
We need to market our sport and we will not succeed with charismaless drones.
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ditto
08-17-2004 5:10 pm
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completely agree with 'what??'. they have now gone from dull and remedial, to dull and wrong. there are so many poeple who would bring some life to the commentry (nick thompson? - would provide enthusiasm and good banter - and he has played a game this decade).
great game though
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player
08-18-2004 6:54 am
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b?
What does parnham bring to the party exactly?
Collins is 10 times beter than parnham.
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jf
08-18-2004 7:08 am
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i agree the commentary is utter gash, it makes me laugh, they know just as much about the game as the umpires in the Korea game. Awful decisions that cost us the game. I think we should have done more from the corners at the end of the game to be fair. However the Koreans looked good, we did look better than the first game but still uninspiring though. Middleton is playing well, perhaps the est of the team should take a leaf out of his book.
Parhnam is a carthorse and should be lead out and shot. So rubbish it is laughable. I think he has made about 3 passes all tourmanent, all of them to the opposition. There are a lot of younger players, like Mantel, that should ahve been given a chance.
I also feel that there is too much rotation in the subs, no one can get a chance to set any rythem when they get on because as soon as they touch the ball they are off again. I realise it hot but the other teams arent subbing as much.
also 'b' have you ever see collins play i used to play with him he is utter cack, and my grandmother, who is also dead, is far better, and to be fair, better built!!!!
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fred
08-18-2004 9:33 am
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rugby or hockey
What has build got to do with hockey?
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who is player?
08-18-2004 9:48 am
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player? you must not have been a player for very long if you think collins is good. he got worse sprint times than the girls in the build-up to athens. he is slow and he is crap. as is parnham. jf is right. why not give the younger players a chance if the only experienced players you have are as bad as parnham. did mantell get a look in? what about wilson from the under 21s. i have seen him play - he looks like a prospect. why not give the younger guys a chance if the old guys arent doing it?
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GIZ
08-18-2004 10:41 am
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I agree with one of the earlier posts - I really dont see GB gaining a medal playing like this..may be it was time to give more of the youngsters a chance, let them experience the whole occasion. Certainly a few of the guys shouldn't be playing, based on their performances so far. Parnham is a definite weak link.
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interesting
08-18-2004 12:44 pm
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throwing a young inexperienced player into an olympic games situation would be stupid because of the pressure and nerves that they would suffer from. i agree that we have some ffantastic young players such as west, daly, fair, clarke, taylor, cheeseman and the future does look exciting for english hockey. however the older players who should not buckle as much should be there. however there careers as internationals should be questioned with regards of getting the new players in!
parnham has not looked forward often but alot of forward play has come down the right, which could be leading to a game plan for gb. despite him turning the ball over he has not given corners away compared to other players in the defence and midfield which is where most goals come from.
i have been impressed by the moodie and stott, wish they could stop calling him neil!
hawes has looked good coming forward
moore has played ok
middleton looks v sharp
good luck gb for future games. not sure who will play in goal v pakistan? lewis had good success v abbas at tri nations and mason let in a shead load at the past olympics v abbas
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not 'interesting'
08-18-2004 8:18 pm
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so putting in the younger guys would be 'stupid'? because they would crack under the pressure? ....and you know this because they have been given a chance and cracked??? no. didnt think so. has barry cracked? he is 20 and our best player. and anyway....if the youngsters did crack....what would be the worst that would happen? they wouldnt score many goals and would pass the ball to the oppo a lot........like craig parnham and others!
old boys out
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XXXXXX
08-19-2004 2:43 am
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The future is bright for Emglish hockey? What exactly have these guys achieved i the last few years? The future is bright for other nations not for England & GB.
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interested
08-19-2004 3:09 am
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putting young guys who hadnt played any senior hockey would be stupid because that would be their first appearance in an olympic environment. i agree barry has been are best player but he had been playing since last year in the senior team so has got the experience to play in the gb team which is vital in all sports.
as i said before i want the young players to be put in straight after the olympics so that they will play together and be able to win future tournaments. however goin to the biggest tournament and playing badly and not getting much pitch time would have a massive negative effect on their careers
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jj
08-19-2004 3:35 am
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Young players
Some players raise there game for the big occasion it has nothing to do with age.Mason is a world class shot stopper but is poor on short corners.Jimmy Lewis would not be my selection as a replacement though.
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interested?
08-19-2004 10:20 am
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perhaps i was suggesting we should have given the young guys a chance in the run up to the olympics....not simply put them in for the first game. think before you type, coach
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what is xxxxxx talking about
08-19-2004 10:25 am
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please dont just type the first thing that comes into your head, xxxxxx. look at the results: the under 18s won the european cup this year. the under 21s beat most of the best teams in europe before the euro cup (ok so they didnt do that well in the tournament but then had injurys and didnt perform to potential). eng B (made up of u21 players and some younger fringe england guys hammered S.A A-team at xmas. not too bad really in my opinion
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You know nothing ...
08-19-2004 11:11 am
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Look at the results when the "older players" were playing at junior level and you will see that they are comparable. To suggest that it is a simple step up from U21 to senior is absolute nonsense. Barry has done so because he is good enough, others who are in the U21 are clearly not ready yet and may never be. Name any U18, U21's who really make a difference in the top National League sides. Give me a team of U21's and I'll give you a team of "older players" that will wipe the floor with them. Good teams have to have a balance of youth and experience. In the Olympic team with have youth in Middleton, Hawes, Moore and Moodie. we have experience with Hall, Parnham, Mason, Wallis and Fordham. That looks a balanced side to me. Then look at the results we beat Egypt and played well against Korea. So instead of taking the easy cowardly option of chastising players who have proven talent Parnham (6 National League Titles, 2 HA Cups, European Silver as well as a European bronze for England as captain). Think before you speak.
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Parnham
08-19-2004 1:10 pm
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U know nothing
I think the word your looking for is HAD as in have proven talent / Had proven talent
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whatisyourmajormalfunction?
08-19-2004 4:57 pm
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you know nothing.....
how do you know the u21s arent ready. they werent even given a chance. want me to name players who make a difference in the NL?: cheesman. daley.
so the team has good balance with experienced players? where does experience get you when 4/5 of your passes go the the oppo. very useful.
as for parnham's proven talent. dont make me laugh. he used to be decent but has been passed it for years now. listing national titles doesnt prove otherwise. all it proves is that he played in a good team.
also, im not speaking, im typing
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you'retypingoutofyourarse
08-20-2004 3:47 am
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what.........
Cheesman - Old Loughts. 5 goals (Only 1 against a top 4 side) real impression that.
Daley - Agree he has talent but he has alot to learn. Is he a better flicker than Hawes? No. He will get better and be a useful addition to the team. Is he ready now? No. Didn't both a hugely understrength Cannock and Reading beat both the U21 comfortably and draw and beat England B. This would suggest that these guys are not ready YET. Men v Boys. I repeat, you're typing out of your arse.
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