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Why!!!!!
08-09-2004 4:03 am
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well Organised Association!!!!!!!
Why does Rabat Has to pay for the Association Mistakes!!!!!!!!!
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WHY
08-09-2004 4:07 pm
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Don't blame the whole Association for this mess. We all know who was the "weakest link".
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Yes
08-10-2004 1:38 am
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Yes you are RIGHT. but generally the Weakest Link is eleminated!!!!!! In Malta you cannot even comment on it during meetings!!!!! Because it will leave the Room!!!!
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Resign!!!!!
08-10-2004 1:39 am
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Mr David Agius Should RESIGN!!!!
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Replay
08-10-2004 6:19 am
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The Association has alot to answer for the KO mess but Rabat do have some sort of responsibility if they do not keep the disciplinary record of their own players.They are not obliged to do so but it might be a good idea if they did so.Other clubs do it. And Rabat should realise that technically, if i'm not mistaken, they should have lost the game following the protest; but that is another story as is the fact whether or not Young Stars should have raised the protest when they were convincingly beaten on the field of play!
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Anthony Tabone
08-11-2004 5:54 am
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David Agius
Resign!!!!! What a shame! Even just to conceive the word . Are you by any chance one of those persons who never comes forward to help the association? We as an association owe alot to David Agius and after all, may I ask, does David receive any remuneration for the long hours he is sacraficing from his free time for the love of the game?. I can assure you that without the likes of David the association will just about exisit.
If I were you WHY, YES, RESIGN I'll never set foot again inside the Hockey Complex. We do not need such sc.. at Corradino; maybe you belong to the other Corradino Complex!!!!!
I personally think that Rabat were somewhat at fault; they have the records and if they do not, then it is their pigeon. From a sporting point of view Rabat should have asked the committee if there were any disciplinary measures in the pipeline with regard to Josef Antonelli, having only received a yellow card a week earlier! Therefore after having weighed all the circumstances a replay is just.
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YS
08-12-2004 1:24 am
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Knock Out Replay
I agree with Tony regards David's input for the game in general. He is right when he says that David sacrificies a lot of his time in order to see our complex and the hockey environment in general improve. Well done David!!!
Regards the Ys vs Rabat replay, well, REPLAY, yes at the end of the match YS were beaten 2 to 1 but surely enough YS had the opportunity to file in a protest for an automatic win rather than a replay since the infringment was done by the association but also by Rabat. Don't come and tell me that you as a player do not hold a record of the cards you have been shown throughout the season. If so, i guess you'll need to be reminded every few seconds how you have to breathe in and breathe out in order to survive (normally this applies to blonde girls... imma nsomma)!!!! On these basis, YS decided to opt for a replay since Antonelli was influential during the game while he shouldn't had been on the pitch.
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Replay
08-15-2004 4:03 am
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YS you're quite right..all I said was that that was another story but I think you will agree that on the day YS were convincingly beaten even without Antonelli at his best or at his most influential. Anyway now just decide on the date and play the game so that we can put this sad affair behind us.
I agree with you with regards David Agius
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wenzu
08-17-2004 3:51 pm
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replay
a wise old man once said 'CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME'
I am sure that rabat have enough brains and organisation to be able to realise that one of their players has reached the 3 yellow card mark. (after all josef isnt a player that is a stranger to yellow cards)
Maybe a couple of rabat players should stick to their character and act professional and respectably at all times and not only in the absence of their team mates.
In this respect i think that everyone should acknowledge the fact that everyone is human and that everyone has made mistakes at some time or other. Before pointing fingers at the association (whose work has maintained hockey as we know it today) you should point your finger at your own club. Afterall it is only 2 people that work in the association, just as it is Robert and Shawn who work within Rabat Hockey Club.
Didnt Josef Antonelli act disrespectfully towards your club in not correcting your mistake when he was named on team list?
Afterall, the first person that should have realised that his tally of yellow cards was a punishable one is Josef himself. This is just like a player forgeting that he is injured.
Whether he knows how to count is another matter!!
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Replay
08-18-2004 2:23 am
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Wenz, who said I had anything to do with Rabat! If you read my first message you would have noticed that I said that "The Association has alot to answer for the KO mess but Rabat do have some sort of responsibility if they do not keep the disciplinary record of their own players." Quite clear I think for those who know how to read. Believe me I know how much a couple of people within the Association work and this mess is all a result of one person being overworked.YS were within their rights to protest and Rabat had no arguments to rebut this protest. Many people may question the sportmanship of the whole affair when, like I said further up, YS were convincingly beaten on the the field of play...but that is another story!!
Now please get down to playing the game let's get it over with.
P.S. A short note to Chris iz-Zghir...take a look around before making your move!
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QRM 01
08-18-2004 10:05 am
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One man show!!!
I must admit that I was surprised to see Chris iz-Zghir for a training session with Qormi earlier this week.
Maybe I was even more confused rather then surprised. Confused because I was not sure if I should be happy to see such a talented player to play for Qormi so that Qormi might finally reach the limelight which has been dreamed of for so many years or if I should feel disappointed to see a player with such talent who has a nasty habbit of being a ONE MAN SHOW on the feild!
No team is in search of individualists and especially Qormi can do without.
Lets just hope that if he intends to play for Qormi he learns how to be a team player since otherwise, we can deffinitly do without him.
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Celtics
08-19-2004 1:13 am
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It is obvious that after Celtics will not take part next season, some players had to move. Chris made his choice and the Qormi clan are happy with him as they are happy with the other players that moved with them this season.
Mr QRM 01 I guess you are one of those players that rarely came to Kordin last season to write that Chris is an individualist. Last season he showed everyone that he played for the team and when he went running up front he generally was left alone. He was good enough that by leaving him alone he scored 13 goals and made several assists to others which much of them were lost by the other part.
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QRM 01
08-19-2004 5:24 am
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Celtics,
Statistics speak for themselves.
Q.
a) Who was scoring for Celtic last season and who was scoring for Youngstars in the previous seasons.?
b) Who was scoring for Youngstars last year?
A.
a) generally only 1 player
b) nearly all the forwards + midfeild players
INDIVIDUALIST - I GUESS SO!
If you think that all the Qormi clan are happy, I think you better take another good look around you and ask yourself that question again.
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zajru
08-19-2004 7:08 am
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qormi 01
Well thank you for nice comment of one man show on the field. I guess you must have had some type of experience of this show and further more its seems that you still have you tail between your legs to reveal your name. Since you are not man enough to show your name i will let you savour my one man show and leave to cowardly comments on the internet..
good day
one man coward
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NEWS
08-19-2004 7:12 am
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BRANCO will leave white hart and join Sliema.
Sliema are running after Celtics keeper WAYLIN ABDILLA
Qormi will get Celtics players CHRIS BUGEJA, FRANKIE BUGEJA and ANDRE GHIO
In the AGM we ask why celtics will not be formed again this season and in the same time we are trying to get their players!!!
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QRM 01
08-19-2004 10:31 am
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coward
its clear that you are trying your usual tactics. By not using your name and then trying to make it as if Qormi clan are not happy. Its more obvious that some other clan is taking defenses and trying to feed maltese hockey with un true facts. It seems that you seem to have something against iz-zghir. Who knows why?
see you coward
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Granc
08-19-2004 10:40 am
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Qormi 01
Dear Qormi 01,
It may be true that iz zghir may be individual on the pitch but sometimes he made difference on the pitch. Chris has never asked to have the show for himself but most of the time he was patching things up for the rest of the team and his play has changed in recent years.
your comments are quite contrasting when you first say that he is very talented and that he might give a boost to the Qormi Clan, but you latter comment is a bit out of place. It seems that you have some type of grudge against Chris and altough some players may find him as bit of a hard challange on the pitch, his close and real friends know that he always tries to help them out as he helped me, on the pitch and off the pitch.
It almost seems that you have some jealous feelings and i am sorry to see that you pass these unfair comment. I dont think he deserves them!
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zajru
08-19-2004 11:02 am
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qormi
i hope you are not one of those double faced friends...which lately seem to be abbundant!
"we can deffinitly do without him."
thanks guys................
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Frank Bugeja
08-19-2004 11:47 am
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i love my friends.
Dearest of friends<
unfortunately Nunez which has been just acquired by Liverpool has damaged his ligaments just on his presentation day. how unfortunate! Well do not worry. He will be back after one month.
Just a moment i left the kettle on......
I am back. Well Eh hokey, sorry Hockey. First of all my big stick is for sale should anyone need it... a cut down price now as i will not be using it so frequently...
yes myself and Chris have started training with Qormi. Ivan Magro was there so everyone can ask him for a confirmation. But the real scoop is obviouslly the transfer of Chris.
I can assure all hockey lovers that No one, let least Qormi poached anybody. It was my decision only to go there. My brother, just followed. Just like Andre did. Other teams were poaching, interested not for my services or Andres, we are only good at distributing the beer and in case of Andre, drinking it. They wanted Chris. But i can safely say that he resited the idea of winning something great, because he would have surely had, and keeping his word and going just for the fun of playing. That is the most important thing after all.
yes he is a one man show.. i HAVE HEARD THAT HE QORMI WILL PLAY ONLY HIMSELF. But at least he SHOWS HIS NAME. It was a big strain for all of us to leave, mostly for Chris and all the friends at young stars. He was very important as a player and also as a member. he loved his club dearly. Most of the young players on the senior team where brough up by him.
Chris took a decision because he wanted to support someone for whom his love is much bigger than a past time. Yes that is what family is for. After my personal problem, ( or escape to victory) I FOUND someone who really backed me up. I really hope you find someone like i did. You will appreciate.
I,we have no problems with my old team mates. They are great people and i can assure you that, yes it was difficult to depart but our friendship will get bettter and better.How can we forget the great times we spent together.
We are all mature enough to understand each other.
Well dear close friend do not worry that chris will waste his talent. He did not waste it last year. He helped alot of young people to learn more. He is an inspiration for them.
Obviously he has a great difficultY to score therefore next year he will play as goalie for Qormi.
see you
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fRANK bUGEJA
08-19-2004 11:56 am
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TORTELLINI CREAM AND MUSHROOM
High you there<
That is exactly why he left Young stars. AS a one man show he did not leave space for the other players. Oh come on. it is sick and stupid to write such things.
That is why he won the player of the year. That year he played alone. In a one man league.
Let us get back to business.
Tortellini cream & mushroom.
You want to taste it. my place on Saturday.
Thanks brother you are a true friend.
GOOD LUCK YOUNG STARS FOR THE FINAL. LAS SING TOGHETHER.
wE'LL TAKE THE CHANCE TO WIN AGAIN,
WELL TAKE THE CHANCE TO WIN AGAIN,
AS AS USUAL WE WILL.
hISTORY REPEATS ITSELF.
fOR BOOKINGS PLEASE PHONE
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Ivan Magro
08-20-2004 3:48 am
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Well as Frankie pointed out, i saw the two Bugeja's do their training with Qormi last Monday at Marsa. Nothing wrong with that now that they have moved on with them!!
Regards the Tortellini cream and mushroom..... hey mate you know i can't say no to such an invitation!!! Count me in hehehe
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observer
08-20-2004 7:40 am
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individual
zajru usually your friends storm this site with comments.. Where are they now? Their silence puts more light on comments fairly attacking you and your reason for leaviing the club...
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big stick in han d
08-23-2004 9:56 am
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liverpool josemi out with an injury
New liverpool defender josemi will be out for tomoorow clash. he has hurt his back. no worries igor biscan will fill up his gap.
tomorrow we meet at caccu, Magro coming jew after the squash game. Bring her over. the cute one.
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James L. Mizzi
08-23-2004 2:31 pm
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Guys,
upon visiting this site i realised that "@#$%! will never change"
it does not matter where it comes from, it will be brown and smelly!
i have been absent from this site for quite some time now since as many of you probably already know, i will be tying the knot in a few days time.
to make things worse, i only took over my future home last thursday and at the moment, i am all out on the re-decoration works and all that @#$%! whilst still trying to keep my business running smoothly! i can assure you that its one hell of a task.
But anyway, lets get back to the gist of this comment;
we still have visitors to this site who prefer not to reveal their identity in order to be able to throw @#$%! onto other people and not be blamed for it. The correct term to identify these individual is 'COWARDS'.
There are 23 comments on this article and only 3 persons who revealed themselves. What a shame! (Although there are a few who use a nom de plum and still clearly show who they are)
It is unfair and only cowardly like to speak about another person or pass on comments about others when you will not reveal your self.
Maybe you should blame your parents for not teaching you proper manners or at least a basic understanding of decency!
WHY!!!, WHY, YES RESIGN REPLAY, WENZU.
All of the above commented about the replay and who is to blame for it. How dare you to imply that a person should resign!
Just to be politically correct, i will say:
David Agius hu persuna bi kwalitajiet tajbien u ohrajn anqas tajbin!
I sincerely believe that without David's commitment, we would not have the facilities we have today in order to develop our game.
David is taking to much on his shoulder and in such a situation, it is inevitable to have a margin of error or omissions. After all, we are all human.
However, I am also certain that its high time that David delegated some of his work onto others.
And maybe this is where he is making the largest mistake. It could be that he is finding problems to share his workload cos there aren?t enough hands ready to fill in or else he does not have enough faith in others to do the job. Whatever the case, he cannot handle all the work by himself.
We then had other comments from QRM01, CELTICS, GRANC, OBSERVER.
Here we had a twist in the subject and started concentrating on Young Stars players with a particular interest in Chris Bugeja.
Well, its no news by now that Chris, Frankie and Andre will be playing for Qormi next season. I actually sent the official release myself so i clearly know about it.
i do not concur with their decisions but i respect it never the less. I honestly believe that there was a chain of events and misunderstandings which lead these players to walk away however, may I assure you that they are departing on the best terms possible and no, just to satisfy you curiosity, NO, history is NOT repeating itself!
Unfortunately, these departures come at the worse possible moment and maybe, this is what these ex Young Stars players are not realising.
Chris is a complete player far better than the standard required for a player on this island. it is unjust to mark him as an individualist just because he has been scoring the majority of the goals over the past few years.
when playing for celtics last season, he did not have the support needed from his team mates and thus he was generally stranded all alone and obviously, he scored nearly all the goals. (if not all, i m not sure)
In his previous season with Young Stars, the attackers along his side where still fairly new to the game and yet again, he obviously was always in the limelight there as well.
I am sure however, that with the improvement shown by all the attackers in the FYS formation last season, Chris would have had the opportunity to really show off his talent. But anyway, we will not see this happening at least not this year.
To OBSERVER, i only like to let him know that maybe what i just explained will put you more in the picture and allow me also to add that his friends will still be there if he needs to be defended because i am sure that iz zghir is now kbir enough to defend himself. i am sure that a friendship like ours will never fade away immaterial of the time we spend apart.
To IZ ZGHIR, i suggest that you ignore comments coming from unidentified persons. they can only do harm and maybe also try to manipulate you against your friends. maybe they could be just jealous that you chose to play for qormi rather than playing for them. i dont believe that from the friends we have in common there are any double faced ones since if so, they would not be my friends in the first place. I am sorry to hear that you have found a number of double faced friends lately but believe me, its always better to find out no matter when and how. i will reiterate what i have always told you, " always sieve your friend and place them in different circles with the ones closest to you in the centre and smallest circle and always work out your circle of friends till the largest circle, that where wou put in those friends who you simply consider as not your enemy.
To FRANK, tlifta man l-invitation tieghek ghat tortellini. taf kemm ilni man duqhom. kif inlesti id dar irridek tigi ghandi u naghmlu ftit kif taf int.
To IMD, int lbatur kollhok!
Sahha nies ghax tlift siegha xoghol haqqa l-baghla!!!!!
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FRANK TORTELLINI BUGEJA
08-24-2004 5:39 am
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JAMES L MIZZI
DEAR JAMES,
DO NOT WORRY ABOUT THE INVITATION. LET US JUST ALL CALM OUR COMMITMENTS DOWN. yOU ARE SURELY THE BUSIEST. WELL WITH A WEDDING COMING UP IT IS SURELY HACTIC.
DO NOT WORRY ABOUT THE TORTELLINI. WE WILL MEET SOME WHERE IN OCTOBER WHEN THINGS WILL HAVE SETTLED DOWN, THAT IS WE ARE LESS BUSY( WE HAVE TO BE CLEAR WHAT WE SAY).
I WILL NOT INVITE YOU ON A SATURDAY, BECAUSE OBVIUSLY THEY WILL SAY THAT I HAVE PUT SOMETHING IN YOUR FOOD.
AT THE MOMENT I AM TRYING TO GET IVAN FATTER BUT HE IS LOOSING WEIGHT BY THE MINUTE. TOO MUCH GIRLS I THINK.
YES IT WAS DIFFICULT TO DEPART BUT IT IS SOMETHING WHICH NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AS FOR THE GOALS CHRIS SCORED, HALF OF THEM WHERE JUST TAP INS I GAVE HIM. SO BE IT.
BEST REGARDS TO ALL MY FRIENDS AT YOUNG STARS.
DO NOT FORGET MY BEST OF PALS THE CHARLIE BOY.
WELL I WILL MEET YOU AT THE KNOCK OUT FINAL.
I WILL BE THERE TO SUPPORT YOUNG STARS. WHO ELSE.
OBVIOSLY A WORD OR TWO AT MAGRO AND CHARLIE BUT HOW CAN I REFRAIN.
PATATU!!!! IVAN L L L LIFA
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FRANK PENNE PESTO
08-24-2004 5:42 am
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HISTORY REPEAT ITSELF
DEAR JAMES<
IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR ANYBODY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I WRITE. SOMETIMES I DON NOT.
BUT LET ME BE CLEAR.
HISOTRY WILL REPEAT ITSELF.
YES
IN SEPTEMBER YOUNG STARTS WILL WIN THE KNOCK OUT.
THAT WILL BE A REPEAT OF HISTORY
WE WILL TAKE THE CHANCE TO WIN AGAIN WITH THE WIND OF CHANGE.
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Hi!
08-26-2004 11:04 am
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A new hockey site about Young stars
www.geocities.com/youngstarsfhc
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Hi!
08-26-2004 11:06 am
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Good Luck to the 4 Players that left the Young Stars HC to Qormi. If your commitment will remain the same Qormi will surely benefit, both on and off the pitch.
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FRANK BUGEJA
08-27-2004 4:42 am
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THANKS RY
THANKS FOR YOUR SINCERE COMMENTS.
YOU PROVE HOW FRIENDSHIPS CAN BE STILL UNITED THOUGH WE PLAY FOR DIFFERENT TEAMS.
SEE YOU DURING THE GAME.
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Replay
08-27-2004 5:43 am
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"This date will surely be marked as one of the most negative days of our recent history" - taken from the unofficial YS website when commenting on the shutting down of Celtics and four players leaving the club........and somebody said that history wasn't repeating itself!!!
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from young stars official site
08-27-2004 3:58 pm
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4 Celtics players move to Qormi (25/08/2004)
Chris Bugeja, Frankie Bugeja, Andre Ghio and Owen Piscopo all moved to Qormi after the Celtics team has been stopped. Andre Ghio made his debut with Qormi in the indoor league vs White Hart where he made a fine debut, while Frankie Bugeja should make his debut tomorrow vs Sliema Hs. Chris Bugeja already played with Young Stars and therefore cannot be used during this competition. Owen Piscopo is unlikely that he plays any games with his new club in the indoor League since he needs the Release from the Young Stars Club and he is still under the age of 21. All the 4 players where seen training at the Marsa Sports Complex with Qormi.
Rumours are that other players will look away from the club to continue their career and other resignations are in front of the club committee.
Our players must pull up their socks and begin to unite themselves .We must begin to think about the new competition. The club is still the BIGGEST on the island and with the team that we will have next season we can win honours
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Ivan Magro
08-28-2004 7:16 pm
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Replay
Dear Replay,
Please note that even though history might be repeating itself again, Youngstars Hockey Club was, is and will always be present in the local scene no matter what happens within the club or around it. Youngstars Hockey Club has the pride of having the possibility of feeding new players to the senior's team from its own nursery and nowadays, we are also feeding other clubs with our players in order for hockey to be still present on this island!!!! At least we do not go around calling ACTIVE players or goalkeepers at home or on their mobile in order to STEAL them so please refrain from doing unecessary comments. Thanks.
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NOEL GATT (Y.S. club president )
08-29-2004 3:07 am
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YOUNG STARS OFFICIAL SITE !?
Kindly note that there is NO official site on the net which is an official Young Stars Club.
I am not going to enter into arguments with anyone cos James and Ivan had said it all, but note that Young Stars next season will be there, and together my committee we are working hard to disapoint all those who wish to see our end. Happy Hockey season to all.
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Dave Evans
08-29-2004 9:08 am
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1. I dislike intensely those who write c*cksh*te and try to conceal their identity. What they say has no value whatsoever.
2. All of those who posted in this thread and had the decency to identify themselves are current or former members of my club. I am quite proud that our club seems to promote a culture of good manners and respect for others.
3. Regarding those players who left for Qormi, namely Frank, Andre and Chris i can say that obviously on sporting terms i do not condone the decision (their value to the club was immense and, yes, it is a big loss) but personally i feel that my relationship with them is as close as it ever was, as i'm certain is the case with most of their friends at the club. So looking forward to meeting u again next saturday, especially frank whom i haven't seen for some time.
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Replay
08-29-2004 1:11 pm
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"Feeding other clubs" - you must be joking
Dear Ivan,
I hardly think that you are feeding other clubs with players. From what I can gather, those players left of their own free will because of internal problems within the club. You are like a disease. Everyone running away from it.
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Andre Ghio
08-30-2004 1:35 am
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Dear Replay,
I cannot understand why you comment on the Young Stars HC players that left. Since it is not your club and no one of these players came to play for your club
But to your information No it is not THE STORY REPEAT ITSELF! I decided to leave surely not to form a new team or club. I decided to leave for playing reasons and I had no argument or problems with any Young Stars Member. I have been in the Young Stars club for 19 years and during these years I made friends that even after I left the club I am still friends with.
I am not going to comment on the other 3 players since they already said their reasons and they can write for themselves and I do not intend to write again on this argument since it is a closed one now.
To the Unofficial Young Stars Web Site editor.
Prosit tas-site! but In the maltese hockey scene as you can see there are people who are happy to see the Young Stars HC having problems. I am sure that you have no intention to damage the club but please before writing anything think twice.
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The 'Original'Replay
08-30-2004 1:45 am
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Please note that the comment regarding the disease is not mine and I disagree completly. I must remark however that I am glad that the attitude of YS H.C. has changed vis-s-vie players leaving the club. Believe me it wasn't the same a few years back!
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Ivan Magro
08-30-2004 2:52 am
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Replay
Listen mate, if you had the guts to reveal your identity, i would be more than willing to argue decently with you regards all these matters but unfortunately....... i don't know whom i'm talking to.
If in your comments, you are referring to the time when Hotsticks hockey club was formed, i can't comment cause i wasn't even playing hockey at the time and i doubt whether you did too!!! I'm not gonna go around on websites writing venomous comments about things which i don't know.
Regards the present situation, yes, people have moved to other clubs, that's a FACT now. Players who have been part of our club for ages have made this move for their personal reasons but please note that they are still members of our club. Correct me if i'm wrong but this is no news to the local scene, that is, players moving from one club to another. What about Jason Vella, Luke Busutil Lever, Johnatan Seychell, Matthew, ..... so on and so forth. Does this mean that ALL of the players had problems with their previous clubs?????
Thanks and regards,
Ivan
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FRANK BUGEJA
08-30-2004 6:00 am
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make my date.
thanks Dave for your comments. we will meet soon.
First of all i will meet you on saturday for the final. come on yellows try your best. you can do it.
i will be there for the support.
We will then meet at the wedding. Not mine, you guru. Mine is off.
i could not support the feeling of you bunch drinking over my back. We will drink over |James' back. Joking !!
as to young stars there is no problem within the club. There are no problems between all of us leaving and the committee.
There are alot of new players coming up and the only loss, o=bviously the most important is my brother.
Myself and Andre can be replaced easily from new young players.
This is something natural. From time to time people need changes and that is exactly what i have done.
Thanks to Qormi, who are a very nice crowd i am being given new ambition.
They surely deserve alot because alot of nice poeple make up this club. I can safely say that it was our decision to choose them and never where we approached. Not even my brother.
Though i still say i am better than him.
See you all. But sorry for those people who thought that theymight get an insight of a problem at young stars. They have not.
They are good crowd and their natural organization will project them forward once again.
TAke care my friends.
Ivan see you tomorrow. I will have a masseur this time. And guess who?
Yes she will be coming and i am not joking.
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James L. Mizzi
08-30-2004 10:47 am
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Rigward l-editur ta l-unofficial YS site, jien ghandi id dubji tieghi kemm hu vera wiehed mill klabb taghna u jekk hux qed jipprova jaghmel hsara aktar minli gid.
certu informazzjoni li hemm assulutament mhix korretta u tista tohloq xi konflitti ghal min jahseb li hi reali. Fil fatt, diga nfurmajna lil pleyers taghna d'dan kollu fl-ahhar training session li kelna ghax ahna nhobbu li l-affarijiet ikunu cari ma kullhadd.
minn hawn, f'isem shabi tal-kumitat nixtiex nistieden lil editur ta din is site biex jew javvicinana u naghmlu is site wahda ufficjali bid dettalji li suppost jew inkella jwaqqaf is site ghal kollox ghax sfortunatament tista taghmel aktar hsara milli gid.
Issa jekk naraw li din is site se tibqa sejra, allura jkun ifisser li minn qed jaghmilha ghandu bil fors skopijiet ulterjuri u x'aktarx hziena.
Replay, kont jien li qed "history is not repeating itself" u dan nerga nghidu b'wicci minn quddiem. ghandek tkun taf ukoll li sakemm int qed tipprova taghmel il bsaten fir rota lil klabb taghna u lil loghba tal hokey ingenerali, il kumitat taghna qed jipprova jara kif jaghmel biex sahansitra jissekonda xi pleyers fuq self temporanju lil klabb iehor sabiex dawn ikunu jistaw jiffurmaw team kompetittiv ghal l-istagun li gej biex xi idjota b'halek ikollu opportunita jilghab. jekk ma jsirx dan, hemm cans li is sena d-diehla, mhux is celtics biss ma jitfaccax imma addirittura anke team iehor ezistenti u nispiccaw league b-erba timijiet biss!
ghal beneficju tal loghba, dan ahna ma rriduhx u ghaldaqstant se naghmlu minn kollox biex nghinu lil team/klabb iehor li hu fill bzonn.
DAK HU SPIRTU SPORTIV !!!!!!!
Frank, Andre', Chris, Ivan u la bella kompanija narakhom is sibt ghar replay u wara jekk tridu tistaw tibqaw gejjien ghandi biex niehdu drink fl-imkien qabel ma niccewwec..... sorry.....nizzewweg.
CYA James
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frank bugeja
08-30-2004 3:47 pm
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tortellini cream and mushroom
ok i will be coming for drinks. i can propose my place if you want. maybe we do a bar b que. ivan will provide the entertainment yes?
drink until you drop.!!!!!!
flash news.
last friday Frank Bugeja was seen in the company on Charles micallef. The rumours are that he is returning back and will make a new team. The rumours are that his catering company will sponsor the team and will be called Big Frankfurters.
Cheers you #lot and grow up.
ah one last thing.. Branco is not moving to Hot sticks but to the champions. Is this true?
See you James and best of luck.
as for all those people who write without showing their names i have only one thing to say. Today not even the news papers accept wrtiting without the knowledge of the writer. write whatever you thing is right but be gentleman enough to post your true names.
Well let it be.
Hey can anybody tell me if Qormi are playing against Rabat on Friday? will this game be postponed considering the final?
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Yes!
08-31-2004 12:42 am
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Yes there is a problem at Young Stars HC. It is that as from New President took his position he have done a disaster in the club. Thanks to his working methods players left the club and others want to leave. For the club Sake PLEASE RESIGN!!!!! If it was not for the other committee members the club will be in a worse situation. Thanks to James and Ivan the club is still going on.
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Henry Cachia
08-31-2004 1:36 am
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It seems that the KO saga will not end on saturday.!!!! The whole thing is now bordering on the ridiculous! And all you guys ease up on the comments let's all try and take life with a (large) pinch of salt!!!
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Hey!
08-31-2004 5:44 am
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The final is postponed again!
Rabat appealed agai this time against the eligiblity of the players!
Come on Grow Up Rabat And play the Game! That is the way that game should be won on the pitch and without suspended players on the pitch.
Issa dejjaqtu lil KullHadd iggebduha. Mela qed tibzghu! Mela mhux kapaci terbhu kif suppost . Minhajr il-plejers li kienu sospizi fl-ewwel loghoba.
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Ivan Magro
08-31-2004 8:37 am
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Jien l-unika haga li irrid nghid dwar il-protest tar-rabat hu li ma nistax nifhem kif qed jiprotestaw fuq il-cards tieghi u ta C. Attard jekk il-loghba giet iddikjarata nulla. Jien nghid il-verita qed jiddispjacini li ma tlabnix rebha awtomatika at this stage ghax ma bsartx illi ha jimxu b'dal mod. Ahna bhala YS kelna fejn nitolbu u anka tigi granted ir-rebha, imma ghidna immorru ghar-replay biex rabat ma jghidux li ahna tan-nejk.
Jekk nigi ghal card li qlajt jien, sewwa, dik qlajta minn fuq il-Bones stess ghax da kollu gejna hook ma hook u jien ma cedejtx u allura ir-referee derlu li ghandi niehu yellow card. Mela jekk Bones lanqas biss kellu jkun fuq il-pitch, jien ma kontx ha naqla il-card, jew ghal inqas mhux minn fuq il-bones.
Ma nafx guys, li hu cert illi ha noqodu intawlu kollox bla bzonn.
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Robert Aquilina
08-31-2004 8:57 am
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Replay
Dear so called "Hey!" if you identify yourself I would be glad to answer you.
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Oh No!!!!!
08-31-2004 9:53 am
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Qed twaqqhu il-loghoba ghan-nejk Rabat. Inzlu ilghabu u daqsekk.
You are trying to keep It as long as possible Why???????????
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Why?
08-31-2004 9:56 am
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Ghalfejn Appelajtu biex iddahqu n-nies bikhom Rabat?
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Resign!!
08-31-2004 10:00 am
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I was in favour of Rabat in the case from the begining and I believed that an association mistake should not be paid by the rabat club. But now the case is over and you must accept to play a fair game.
This time I totaly disagree with your protest. It is nonsense and it can never be won!
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Observer
08-31-2004 1:13 pm
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At least i hope that Rabat will be charged for all these protests as per HAM rules and not just let things add up to the ever lasting debts!!!
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Hey
09-01-2004 12:35 am
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Robert jekk tkun taf min jien nispiccaw b'hafna Cards waqt il-loghob. Nafek Bizzejjed!
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Rabat Player
09-01-2004 12:38 am
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Come on Rabat this is going to stupidity. You have no respect to the other clubs. If you have some common sense PLEASE REMOVE THE PROTEST SO THE KNOCK OUT FINAL SAGA WILL STOP NEXT WEEK!
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Joseph Gatt
09-01-2004 12:43 am
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Ivan you are 100% right. Surely Sportsmanship is not in the Agenda of the Rabat Team. When I see the way things are going I raise my doubts if Rabat made it puposely or not to play Antonelli J.
Come on Rabat Club and stop these stupidity
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Robert Aquilina
09-01-2004 8:06 am
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Replay
Ivan Magro, since you are the only one that identified yourself, I will briefly comment on your contribution, as for the rest I will obviously refrain to answer to irrelevant people who don't identify themselves. My comments are simple; I don't think its wise for you to comment on this site on matters that are strictly technical with an illogical manner that can be misunderstood. I already briefed privately one of your committee members on what are our ultimate aims and don't think I have to repeat them here. We will tackle arguments in the right forum. I can point fingers at your club on previous protest and numerous letters to the Association but I don't have any intention of creating any animosities, as above all, its your personal opinion.
One other clarification is that the fact that the game was re-scheduled is not something that we wanted at all, and is not due to our actions, but no form of procrastination will prevent our club from exercising its rights according to rules and regulations that are the backbone of our association.
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Hey
09-01-2004 10:23 am
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"One other clarification is that the fact that the game was re-scheduled is not something that we wanted at all," - SO WHY DID YOU APPEAL? YOU SHOULD HAVE PLAYED!
"and is not due to our actions," - SO WHO APPEALED ?
"but no form of procrastination will prevent our club from exercising its rights according to rules and regulations that are the backbone of our association."- IF YOUR CLUB KEPT WITH THE RULES NO SUSPENDED PLAYERS WHERE PLAYED IN THE FIRST FINAL
YOU DOES NOT WANT OTHERS TO ARGUE BACAUSE EVEN YOU KNOW THAT THEY ARE 100% RIGHT. YOUR PROTEST IS ONLY DONE TO DELAY THE FIXTURE AND TRY TO COMPLICATE THE ASSOCIATION LIFE AND TRY TO GET SOMETHING FROM THESE PROTESTS SO THAT YOU DEPLETE YOUR OPPONENT. TILL NOW WHAT YOU GOT IS A LM30 EXPENCE IN PROTEST FEES.
I GUESS YOUR CLUB THIS SEASON CAN WIN THE THE DOUBLE (IF YOU WIN THE K.O.) BUT SURELY NOT THE FAIR PLAY TROPHY.
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Ivan Magro
09-01-2004 3:44 pm
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Ok Robert, I understand your comment regards the fact that this is not the place to argue about these matters.
My comment, was only a personal opinion as you pointed out but the statement which i made in the second paragraph was merely a sarcastic comment about the kind of logic which you as Rabat Depiro are using to sustain your protest!!!
Anyway my friend, do not bother, my only concern is that things will take longer than expected to be settled.
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Robert Aquilina
09-02-2004 3:55 pm
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That's the spirit my friend Ivan. Some day we will sit down and over a beer, I will explain every detail of our actions. this doesn't mean that you will agree completely, your'e not the type (!), but you will shurely understand better.
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I agree so help me....... out
09-03-2004 4:32 am
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I Agree Rob. As long as it suits you you can Give a good explanation. Like in Umpiring. As long as it does not affect you everything is ok. Well we have learnt to take you with a pinch of salt.
You may be right in this case because:
firstly the protest should have never gone through once the 48 hour period had gone over.
secondly the norm is that the player is only suspended once the club has received notification. Until then the club can play the player.
Thirdly this was a geniune mistake. The association, should stop medling in such issues once and for all, should not have have taken part in such issue. This is because all members on the committe have to do with their respective clubs. It was also a mistake from Young Stars to wait so long to file in their protest. Well a comedy of errors took place and nobody realized that with cancelling a game result matters have gone worse.
Now, rightly so, even though some might accuse Rabat, you are playing the same game. Like young Stars, had you have the same right to exercise any possibilities there are. So everybody out there stop accusing Rabat. They are the worst off in this whole saga and they have all the right to act so.
This is the honest way of thinking. In this case you are right but should you always follow the same principals I can assure you that you will have more people admiring your approach.
Unfortunately sometimes you seem to shift objectives. It is a pity since you are one of the best umpires we have. Well i hope you can understand.
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3ply
09-03-2004 8:21 am
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Best Umpire
Halt!
Don't say that Robert is the best umpire. Manuel Imbroll may be offended.
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Ivan Magro
09-03-2004 11:17 am
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I agree so help me....... out
Young Stars were never in a position to file any protest within the 48 hour period due to the simple fact, that we received the suspension letter of Josef Antonelli together with the suspension letter of C. Attard and myself!!! This means that Antonelli was shown his 3rd yellow card 7 days prior to the final and the letters came to our club 8 days after the final thus having a gap of 15 days.
This will give us all a lesson, that is, keep record of not only the cards shown to your team's players but also to other team players so that in case of late notification by HAM, each club will be in a position of knowing who is eligable to play or not. But i guess it will be a bit far fetched in practice cause this would mean that someone has to watch all matches played and take note of everything.
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Dione
09-04-2004 12:26 pm
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General Comment
To all hockey players and lovers of the game.
It has been a very long time since I last visited this site! I tell you all - I am for the better!
What is happening with you lot? What is happening to the game you all profess to love?
I have gone through all the comments and I am truly disgusted, to say the least. Why don't you all stop behaving like children and grow up. The game needs sensible guys and I believe that you all can give a contribution to it.
So my sincere suggestion to you all is wake up from this nausea and do something for the game. Make the game yours - can't you all see that the game itself is dying its natural death? And all you are doing is simple injecting it with morphine!
Act now before it is too late! The future of the game demands it!
You all owe the game that much!
So be serious and stop all this nonsense and concentrate on how to do your little bit of help.
I honestly hope that you all come to your senses.
Cheers all hockey lovers.
Dione
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HockeyNetBoy
09-05-2004 2:55 am
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Websites
How many sites related to maltese hockey are there?
I know of:
-www.planetfieldhockey.com
-www.hockeymalta.com (which hasn't been updated for a long time)
-and the unofficial young starts site posted above (www.geocities.com/youngstarsfhc)
Do the other clubs have websites? (official or unofficial) Are there any other sites in general? Thos who know please tell us!
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colin taylor
09-06-2004 2:16 am
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Dione Cassar
Does anyone out there in Malta have an email address for Dione Cassar. He used to be very involved with Yound Stars HC?
I visited Malta on Hockey Tours several times in he eighties (firstly with Trent Univiersity in Nottinghand then with my club side The Disillusioned Aardvarks) and have great memories. Unfiortnately, I lost contact with Dione - i'd appreciate it if someone could forward on my own email address. colin@nwf2020.co.uk
many thanks for your help
Colin Taylor
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Attention!!!
09-06-2004 7:09 am
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Attention Daddy Spoke Up! It is very easy to comment and just do nothing! Or else tghamel il-bsaten fir-roti!!!!!!!!!!!!
When will the decision about the final will be done? What about the Indoor league when will be the decider??
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Frank Bugeja
09-06-2004 10:11 am
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Attention!
Let us all be man enough to addrss to whom we are commenting about.
Secondingly let us not be cowards and yes, if you want to pass a comment do it openly without hinding behind a nome De plume.
I do not exactly know to whom you are addressing your comments but i can safely tell you that i think you are addressing it to the person who shortly not long ago wrote a comment on the site.
If it is him i can tell you that if it was not for him we would not have a pitch where to play. We have a complex where to play only thanks to him. you remember where we used to play before 1987? Well i do!
He dedicated alot of his life to the game and if there is something he really loved was the game of hockey. Unfortunately it happens that people realize that people do not appreciate what you are doing.
Well this guy gave more thatn his fair share. He left us something on which to build up our future. Unfortunately we may not be able to run what we have, let alone build up everything from scratch.
Well that is what people are all about. People tend to forget what good deeds have been performed. This is also a present issue for a person who has been critised for a mistake. Everybody forgets his all his efforts.
Well, from my heart I thank not you, but the previous writer for his efforts in hockey, both at his club and for hockey in general.
Thankyou.
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09-06-2004 11:54 am
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I just visited the unofficial site of YS, it is very nice, prosit, but I want to know what will happen to all those players who used to play with Celtics and are not in the line up for the next seasone with Ys ??
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zajru - chris :)
09-06-2004 3:04 pm
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i totally agree with you frank...
any way its not worth it replying cowards who dont show their name.. probably they are those kind of people who never do anything....
good day
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Robert Aquilina
09-07-2004 9:02 am
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I agree so help me....... out
You lost me in the first and last paragraph, i will be glad if you clarify! The message i got was that I'm kind of inconsistent, in what exactly?? ... and if you identify yourself I would be more glad to answer you ... as at the end of the day I don't think that you sad anything outrageous!!
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Analysis
09-10-2004 12:49 pm
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KO Final 03/04 Replay
So the knives are finally out....
After the umpteenth appeal on the issue was rejected by the Executive Committee, the final is belatedly set to be staged during the first weekend of october. Finally.
Following a long drawn-out affair which saw appeals from both sides accusations flew and the rumour mills never stopped turning, in an issue which fired the enthusiasm of hockey enthusiasts throughout the island, as witnessed by the general reaction, evident also on this site. And the controversy doesn't end there. Rabat delegates are reported to have cried foul and notioned at subversive strategies employed by other clubs in the wake of their recent dominion of the local game. But what was it really all about?
The whole affair centred round Young Stars' claim that the match had to be replayed, and Rabat's insistent rebuttal of that claim. Judging by the events, it would seem that Rabat were reluctant to match their wits against Young Stars again. If this was due to the issue having been stretched beyond its elastic limit, or to the champions' percieved fear at the possibility of losing their double feat is not known.
What is known is that we now have a savoury contest on our hands, which will serve as a tantalising prelude to the start of the new season. At last, at long long last we can focus our attention on the actual game again, and forget for a while the off field problems that are plaguing maltese hockey.
Although both teams have reinforced themselves during the close season, they will have to make use of last season's squads as this competition is officially part of the 2003-04 season. The match should nonetheless be an exciting one, pitting what has certainly been the best team on the islands in recent years, and arguably their biggest challengers.
Rabat will be devoid of the services of the inspirational Antonelli due to suspension, while Young Stars will be able to field the now cleared Attard and Magro. The teams met five times in the past season (six if you count the KO final which has been rendered void). Rabat had the better of their rivals in the Supercup final, but could not manage to overcome Young Stars in the challenge cup, with the game ending in a goalless draw and YS eventually winning on penalties. In the league competition, YS won the first encounter but the champions ran out twice victors in the other matches. On this evidence Rabat would seem to have a slight edge over their opponents, but it remains to be seen what effect the summer break has had on both squads.
Neutrals would seemingly be expected to side with the Floriana side, for the sake of competition, but some will argue that Rabat's ruthlessly effective midfield displays provided some of the most exciting hockey ever on the islands, and this alone is reason enough to vindicate their successes. Young Stars, on their part, are a largely organised side, however even the current wave of young players seem to suffer from their side's perennial inability to convert the chances they create for themselves.
What beckons is therefore a hard fought battle, particularly in the middle of the park. Winning control of play in midfield will be the key to the game. Expect a tight affair, especially with the players having to cope with the pressure that has been created in the build up to this match. In the end we all hope that the one real winner is maltese hockey.
Key Players:
-Rabat: Kevin Micallef
-FYS: Ivan Magro
Analysis tip: Rabat 2-1 FYS
What do you think? Have your say...
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Ralph
09-11-2004 3:18 am
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Congrats to all those players yesterday who beat White Hart in the u/14 decider for 1st place. Despite the club's departees they were able to overturn a result in their favour with very restricted experience. This without doubt augers well for the club in the near future. Prosit Ivan for a good show!
Players include Daniel, Marc, Claude, luke, Keith, Rene, Ian and Brandon.
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Henry Cachia
09-13-2004 2:08 am
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Well done to analysis......would you like to do the write ups week in and week out?
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Ivan Magro
09-13-2004 6:49 am
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I want to congratulate all the players who took part in the game for a great show. I sincerely hope they will keep it up throughout the next season. Thanks Ralph for your positive comments.
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Warren
09-13-2004 10:08 am
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Decider
Congratulations to all Under 14 Young Stars Players it was a very good game. What I do not agree is that Young Stars had any missing or departures. They played a full team and the only missing person was last few seasons coach Andrea Ghio. He was not on the bench but was seeing the game from ther other side! I think that he still should be given most of the credit for this league victory since he was responsible for the team all last season except this game!!!!!
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frank
09-14-2004 4:52 pm
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Ralph
once give the same service we gave to the club speak up. i hope that you will contribute as much as we did to get people like start playing hockey.
well we deserve it. Surely next time before you right something get your sleeves up and start doing something towards a club which supports.
Get one with it show man.
Next time please also show more respect to a person to whom you should owe alot.
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Ralph
09-15-2004 3:22 am
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Dear Frank
Do words go misunderstood within this forum!!!! From the very little I could gather from your derogratory comments, frankly Frank you are supposingly accusing me of not supporting the club. I'll start off with this: My comments were nothing but mere praise to a team which had not played together for several months. I congratulated Ivan for stepping in as coach and taking the responsability to manage a squad for a chance to win the second consecutive u/14 championship. Secondly internal squabbles should be strictly kept within and should not involve me, thank you. Thirdly, I show my respect towards the club on the field of play and when asked off also.
Yours,
Ralph AF
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Rene
09-15-2004 10:57 am
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Prosit to everyone for Under 14 Decider. Thanks to Ivan and Andre for all they have done with us in the last years.
Ralph we should keep on respecting evryone that helpped us to win the league.
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Ralph
09-16-2004 2:59 am
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Jien qatt ma naqqast ta' rispett lil hadd if thats what you mean Ren!! If I were to thank everybody involved in taking care of the team the list would be endless!
Yours,
RALPH
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Rene
09-16-2004 9:04 am
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I am sorry but I do not agree with you. The ONLY Persons that took care of the Young Stars Juniors are Andre and Ivan. so It is not a long list. No one did anything with us except these 2 guys which we should thank.
I cannot understand your atitude. Msomma drajnik issa!
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Frank Bugeja
09-16-2004 10:12 am
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thanks ralph
Thanks for being your so undertstanding and thoughtful. KEEP up the spirit.
My comments were a addressed to yours stating that 'Despite the club's departees they were able to overturn a result '.
Well I am quite grateful you are thank full to all of those people who provided you service along the years.
Ah, and next time you see your ex coach, put on a smile, at least.
See you ras and take care.
Thirdly, I show my respect towards the club on the field of play and when asked off also.
i know about this.
Good man, keep it up. You deserve. I can see this from the little time i spent with you on the same team.
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09-16-2004 2:42 pm
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ralph
your arrogance seems to rub off you even on this little ralph... hope your head doesnt grow too big... you re a good player like most of the players on your team but respect my dear is something that seems to be a bit low
tra la la la
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09-20-2004 8:24 am
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Knockout final replay
I must say that since it involves Rabat it must be their fault!
That is the general opinion of the rest of the teams anyway. I remember a few years back when Rabat protested that Sliema HS fielded a non-existent player. Someone had mixed names on the Sliema line-up. Rabat duly protested but since they were the newcomers everyone brought all their major artillery for the council meeting. Obviously Rabat lost the protest for the fact that the association did not want to award the points to Rabat and thus crowning them champions! The game had ended in a draw.
A certain person argued this and everyone agreed. Obviously! Nobody gave the blame to HS for not checking their team list before the game. For that same reason Rabat fielded Josef. In the heat of the build up to the finla they must have simply forgotten his 3 Yellows. If YS are the sports men they think they are, why didn't they speak up? Obviously they knew as soon as they saw the team list that Josef should not have been there. But they preferred to shut their gob. Would you think that they would have protested if they had won? Josef, would still have been ineligable then also.
Now, while not giving the blame to the Secretary (who really gives a lot to the Maltese game), I see that A FINAL is to be re-played. And obviously Rabat will end up loosing it for the simple reason that they will be under pressure to perform. YS should have swallowed their pride and admitted defeat, instead of forcing a replay with some childish excuse. YS should open their eyes and they will OBVIOUSLY see who is the best team of late. Their crown, the one they were so accustomed to win, has passed onto better hands.
From Rabat With Love
Someone said that Josef is not a stranger to Yellow cards. Can this person tell us who in the Maltese game is not a stranger to Yellow cards? Of course he can not! Because a large protion of the players have had them. Josef gets them since he plays in the attack. He gets taunted and hit and kicked and swore at! I'm just surprised he is not out of the game completely. As for professionalism, I hope the person who mentioned the word really knows the meaning of it. How is a player rated professional or un-proffesional? Maybe because he gets more yellow cards then most? Or because he does not work in an office or compose his sentences half in English and half in Maltese?
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Shawn Falzon
09-20-2004 11:03 am
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My views
I have heard a lot on the comments posted on this site, but I had never been in the mood of visiting it until lately. I believe our club has always gave an answer otherwise. Some might say, why am I writing then? - Whatever.
THE APPEAL
I must say that I am a bit surprised to read and hear accusation that our club has deliberately been stretching the matter and hence building unnecessary pressures and rifts. To my knowledge we have done nothing more than exercising our rights. I do not recall threatening in any way the decisions that had been taken. We shall be disciplined and abide with what has been decided. I recall other clubs acting differently.
I also refer to various comments stating that ?equitably? Young Stars deserve a fair contest against our team, without the participation of Josef Antonelli. It must be noted that if Young Stars what to challenge Rabat, Josef Antonelli is part of that team, and such a contest we have already won. After all Antonelli?s infringement had been done against Hotsticks in the Semi?s and not against Young Stars. This shows that (also ?equitably?) Young Stars are eager to take advantage of the unavailability of one of our players who could have served his punishments in a following match.
Young stars have todate surpassed a couple of hurdle, but I believe that their highest one is yet to come. I look forward for the contest.
?NEUTRALS WOULD SEEMINGLY BE EXPECTED TO SIDE WITH THE FLORIANA SIDE?
With particular reference to a statement posted under Analysis, I would like to point out it does not appear that the victories we have achieved in the recent years are attributable mainly to our supporters. We are very used to and welcome counter support, I believe it is one of the factors that stimulate our determination. I look forward for the contest.
THE HAM AND DAVID AGIUS
I have never laid back in putting forward criticism towards the association and the present secretary David Agius. However, never was my intention destructive. I must also say that my little contributions towards the association have always been humble and sincere. I hope my approach reflects our club?s attitude.
In this regard, I refer to a comment posted by Ivan iro Robert stating ?Unfortunately sometimes you seem to shift objectives?. In the due process of the KO controversy, I have very surprisingly noticed Young Stars delegates passing positive comments towards David Agius and the HAM and I wondered. I would have been even more surprised if there had been the same comments should the executive/council decisions had been in the contrary. I only recall boycotts from the national team, unattended annual presentations and non-participation in HAM events. I wonder further who ?sometimes seem to shift objectives?. Is this the era of the NEW-Young Stars? The NEW-things do not always seem to work locally especially when there is a history.
DIONE
Whilst concurring with your comments, I sincerely say that it is a pity that you, seemingly, have not ended your hockey career in the same spirit of your own note.
Shawn Falzon
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Ivan Magro
09-21-2004 1:24 pm
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Dear RBT 05,
Thank you so much for your comments regards the whole matter. Unfortunately it seems you are a bit misinformed regards certain technical things which happened during the process of the issue.
I don?t know who you are cause you didn?t want to show your true identity owing to the fact that you are throwing sh***y comments towards my club. Regards the sportsmanship thing, ?. as I said, we didn?t know Antonelli was suspended or that he had 3 yellow cards on the day that we had the final match. I wasn?t present for the Rabat vs Hotsticks match so I couldn?t note Antonelli?s yellow card. If you keep your records so up to date, please be so kind to offer your services to our club cause we relay need someone who could help us out with statistics!!!! We made our protest since a week after the final was played, we received within one letter the following suspension notes: -
Suspension letter for the third yellow card of Josef Antonelli (Rabat vs Hotsticks)
Suspension letter for the third yellow card of Ivan Magro (Rabat vs Youngstars)
Suspension letter for the third yellow card of Chris Attard (Rabat vs Youngstars)
Josef Antonelli is one of the best players on the island and I respect him a lot. He is a key player in Rabat?s formation as proven by his goal average so this means he was influential during the final match without any doubt!!! If he was suspended, than he shouldn?t have played?. Fullstop. When I got the red card against Qormi, I didn?t play the next match without even receiving my suspension letter at the club cause its obvious I had to have at least one match suspended. In case I still didn?t receive the letter when another match was due, I would have played (since a red card is an automatic one match suspension, likewise 3 yellow cards). If you pretend my club to pay attention to other clubs? players suspension records, than Rabat should at least be aware of their player?s suspensions if we follow the same line of thought which you are discussing about in your comment!!!!
I agree with you when you say that Rabat are the best team around. Its true, league victories for the past 7 years show Rabat as the most consistent team. Its not fair though, that you say we are using childish excuses. What would have been your comment if we opted for an automatic win instead of a replay match???? We had all right to pretend the trophy and title without even playing a replay!! But no, we decided to opt for the replay cause we thought it was fair to play with the formation that should have been on the field in the first final. And, please, we are not expecting to win the replay, it could go both ways, so if you really believe that Rabat are the best, you shouldn?t doubt their victory.
Anyway, if you reveal your identity I would be more than pleased to discuss the whole matter peacefully face to face cause writing isn?t my forte? and certain arguments cannot be written in the same manner as expressed viva voce!!!
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Ivan Magro
09-21-2004 2:45 pm
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Dear Shawn,
Please explain how you can say that Antonelli?s suspension had to be borne in the next match and not in the final. He got the yellow card in the semi against Hotsticks so, 3 yellow cards = 1 suspension which should have been endured during the original knock final match, thus since this hasn?t been done, we asked for a replay match. The basis of our argument being that Antonelli is one of the most influential players within Rabat team!!!
Regards the comment about our club attitude towards HAM and its activity?.. the only instance which I recall about boycotts from the national team happened once, about I believe 7 or 8 years ago and to tell you the truth I forget what was the matter. Anyway, our attitude towards the national team was always quite positive especially if you mention the attendance for training sessions and also our effort in training on a personal basis outside the national team environment.
HAM annual presentations, well Shawn, it is hard enough for us to gather a few members of our club for our club?s presentation dinner so I?ll let you judge yourself the outcome for HAM activities of the kind.
HAM events, if you are referring to events such as leagues, tournaments, etc?. I truly believe you are mistaken in this aspect since, we side teams for all competitions organized by the association, that is, if we consider last years events: -
Under 14 ? one team
Under 16 ? one team
Reserves league ? two teams
Senior league ? two teams
Indoor League ? one team
Better check things out regards your club attendance to the above competitions before commenting!!!!
I would also like to point out the fact that when I started hockey, that is, about 11 years ago, Chris Attard, Andrew Camilleri and myself used to spend hours, I repeat hours, within Kordin complex in order to make maintenance works of all kinds. We never had any kind of remuneration for all this and we didn?t even expect it since we did it on a voluntary basis. This went on for about 3 years. So I believe this is quite a proof of our positive attitude and participation towards the HAM.
N.B. I know you are an active guy within the association too and I appreciate your presence.
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Henry Cachia
09-22-2004 1:10 am
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Ivan and Shawn you are both intelligent chaps. I think the subject is now closed and now all you have to do is get on with the game (and may the best team on the day win).Hopefully the rest of us will soon start playing as well.
RBT05 get your facts right before making any comments and don't give us a load of crap about people working or not working in offices etc etc; or painting a picture of Antonelli as being a victim. Antonelli is one of the best, if not the best, players in Malta and on the field of play gives as much as he receives (rightly so I must add) so don't give us a 'miskin' speach please.
See you around chaps!
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Shawn Falzon
09-22-2004 7:24 am
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Ivan
Whilst replying to your comments, I am assuming that we are treating this as an open forum where all are free to express their opinion without hard/personal feeling.
HAM presentation - I have not seen your club presence in presentations for quite some years. Even when you had won the majority of the competitions. It is a pity for such an organised club. The importance of an event should be judged by the HAM not by the perspective of an individual club.
HAM Events - Ivan please note that your club delegates were the most laid back and not optimistic and not enthusiast during the whole process of the artificial grass. I must also say that in the end you had contributed sufficiently where needed, but not with ease.
WELL the argument of all this was of 'shifting objectives'.
I do recall you and chris very active some time ago. Without mentioning name, I also recall corresponding changes in administartion. Was this another 'shifting of objectives'
With reference to RBT05, you might be right that he might missed some particular details but the gist of it was of 'Moving the goal post'. Well I have much experineced this myself. Moreover, there had been other fact mistook in prior comments, one of which being the player transfers!
SUGGESTION: Ivan consider also taking other thing with a pinch of salt, not only Robert.
HENRY, if the subject is closed, why did you then comment on RBT05? moreover when you are not an involved party.
SEE YOU SOON. LOOKING FORWARD FOR THE CONTEST.
Shawn Falzon
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Henry Cachia
09-23-2004 2:04 am
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Shawn,
Must I be involved to comment? The subject of the replay is closed except that the game has to be played. Hopefully nothing else will crop and the rest of us who aren't involved can start playing.
C U around pups.
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RBT12
09-23-2004 12:51 pm
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Henry
We know that U do a lot of good work with the press releases, but the Indoor league is not important? or because Rabat always win this competition? I'm sure that it is not.
This time it was not a clean sweep like other times, Qormi did very well in the decider and until 3 min from the end they were winning 1-0, with Ramon saving them for a few times. What they did not have is a brain called Kevin Micallef who turned everything in the last minutes. It was an interesting decider and it deserves a metion.
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Statistics
09-24-2004 12:23 am
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Att. RBT12
Just for your info this was the 4th National indoor League. Winners till now where 2000 Young Stars, 2001 White Hart, 2002 Rabat, 2004 Not organised, 2004 Rabat. Therefore there were no clean sweeps.
And yes the Indoor league is just a friendly tournament and it is given no impotance by the association. In fact not even a trophy is given to the winner.
and now lets stop these arguments and begin playing hockey again!
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rbt of
09-24-2004 4:37 am
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Qormi Vs RAbat
My Dear friend, if you know how to read the game what Rabat had was luck.
Qormi on the other hand only had one reserve player.
so be it.
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RBT12
09-24-2004 10:16 am
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Indoor League
Statistics; get your facts right. I have been told that the Indoor League is an official competition of the Association, and a trophy is presnted in the Annual Dinner of the Association. It shows that you never attended an annual dinner!! it is either your club has never had reasons to attend because it never won anything or your club boycots the Annual Dinner, in which case you have nothing to be proud of!
When I mentioned clean sweeps i had also in mind all the indoor Tournaments organized by clubs including one day tournaments. But I forgot that small minded people like you visit this site and therefore i had to be more specific ... I'm sorry. I would be happy is you show us some statisticks about all the Indoor tournaments organised!!!!
One other thing; as far as I know the Indoor League started before 2000, but i will check and get back to you.
To the other: I don't read games, I read results, and since they are explained with numbers i understand them, but it seems that you can read games and the fact that you mentioned the reserve player issue leaves no doubt about your level of inteligence.
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Statistics
09-27-2004 12:32 am
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RBT12
Let me tell you Puppy. this was the 4th edition of the indoor league over 5 years. Last year it was not even organised. Biex tara l-interess f'dan it-tournament. The only club that took it seriously this year was Rabat. To confirm this look at the decider (Rabat had 11 players for the game while Qormi had just one reserve). The other teams had no interest in it. Look at sliema, they even gave a walk over and the formations that Young stars played with.
About the tournaments In the last 4 years there were only 2 done one won by Rabat and the other by Young Stars. Then no more were organised, since when Hotsticks tried to organise them they found no interest from the clubs.
About the trophy this year there will be no presentation dinner.Therefore if you are waiting for the trophy, just keep on waiting.
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Shawn Falzon
09-27-2004 5:12 am
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Qormi vs Rabat
Statistics:
Rabat
shot on goal 20
goals 2
Qormi
shots on goal 1
goals 1
Who is lucky?
Well it seem we had been having quite some luck in the recent years!
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RBT00
09-27-2004 5:18 am
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Annual Presentation
Young Stars will we be seeing you for this year's dinner?
No - proves us right
Yes - we touched you conscience
C U
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RBT01
09-27-2004 5:25 am
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Reply to Hey
You should be a sore loser. You and Your club have either protested yourselves or else you are nothing more than a spectator/s to the up coming KO Final.
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Ivan Magro
09-27-2004 9:49 am
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Annual Presentation Dinner
RBT00
If as you say we haven't ever attended for the presentation dinner, why is it that this year it is not going to be organised?!?! Is it maybe cause its not only our club's representatives who are not present. From the amount of effort which you have spent in your arguments, i sincerely thought that Rabat players were attending for the dinner together with the families and relatives!!!!
Ghamlilna pjacir man, u alaqlu la m'intix kapaci turi ismek lanqas!!!
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RBT12
09-27-2004 11:46 am
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Dear Statistics
As if Rabat are waiting for the Trophy!!! they have a problem with shelve space!!
There are good reasons why the interest in Indoor Hockey has always been low .... think about it clearly ... and you will find the answer on your own. And if you think I'm "il-puppy" you are wrong a...hole, I don't play anymore, I just watched a couple of Indoor league games. I think you have your statistics mixed up, maybe Henry can veryfy if your statistics on the Indoor League are correct.
I won't waste more time with you i promise
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Robert Aquilina
09-27-2004 12:18 pm
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Various
Ivan, if I were you I would not answer unknown persons or at least I will stop short from firing comments about Rabat, when you don't know if it's a Rabat player or not.
Indoor Hockey
The 1st indoor league was won by Rabat Depiro and in that particular league there was an abandoned match between YS & Rabat and to the astonishment of both clubs we both lost the points! The game was abandoned when YS players protested strongly to an Umpires' decision. Both clubs appealed to the Executive for a replay but the decision was confirmed. We eventually won the 1st Indoor League ... I believe it was before 2000. The first Indoor Tournament was organized way back in 1991 by Valiere when the same Valiere was dissolved - the Carlsberg Tournament - at that time all players were aged between 14 & 17 except yours truly who was 21, and Rabat Depiro won the tournament.
I'm still very curious who "I agree so help me....... out" is
Sahhiet!
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Shawn Falzon
09-27-2004 12:54 pm
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Reply to Statistics
Dear Sir...kindly note that I have never made comments without showing my name. I am always ready to substaniate my arguments. You seem to be the one afraid of showing your name. Maybe not to be shy in losing arguments.
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Shawn Falzon
09-27-2004 1:15 pm
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Reply to Ivan
We have always tried to have a good presence in Annual Dinners. Without yet confirming, I hope this years dinner has not yet been done since the season has not yet come to an end due to the KO final. Well further more please be informed that we do get our guests with us.
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RBT00
09-27-2004 1:18 pm
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Annual Presentation Dinner
Ivan
Do you have 'families and relatives'? I doubt!
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Ivan Magro
09-28-2004 2:01 am
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RBT00
I'll take Robert's advice for this one. Sweet dreams RBT00
P.S. Reveal yourself if you want to have my comments regards your stupid and venomous comments.
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Truth
09-28-2004 7:13 am
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Shawn
der are a lot of things which can b said about the role of rabat with regards to HAM activities, so better if you suth up.
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RBT00
09-28-2004 7:20 am
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Reply to Ivan
I will only reveal myself when all will do. Unfortunately you happen to be the one aroused with the arguments. I will not have your comments cause you have no answers.
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Anthony Tabone
09-28-2004 8:32 am
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GENERAL
WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH TRALALALA.............
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Ivan Magro
09-28-2004 9:51 am
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I'd like to join Tony cause he is right about the fact that people are writing a load of rubbish on this website
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Shawn Falzon
09-28-2004 10:54 am
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Reply to Truth
Would expect better from (I quote) "a club who does not even keep records of the cards shown to his players" ???
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Truth
09-28-2004 3:20 pm
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Shawn
i did not understand your comment
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Statistics
09-29-2004 12:19 am
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Those named by Robert were all tournaments and not National League!
No this year there will be no Annual Dinner. This was confirmed by the HAM. Due to very low attendance from all Clubs ! This is the reason given by the HAM.
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Shawn Falzon
09-29-2004 3:47 am
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Reply to Truth
First everyone has labelled our club as being disorganised for not keeping card records and now you question our role in HAM. (What do you expect, charity begins at home) I thought that even simple minds understand simple comments!
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nthony Tabone
09-29-2004 6:20 am
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Shawn
Come on Shawn you are no longer a puppy but a fully fledged Great Dane so stop this useless quibbling and get on with it!!!!!!!
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Truth
09-29-2004 4:30 pm
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Reply to the Great Dane with no brain
Simple minds would understand simple comments when they r used with correct grammar & in a good context. If u make a translation of your thoughts from Maltese into English language, than maybe, their meaning or sense might change.
u said : -
Reply 2 Truth
Would expect better from (I quote) "a club who does not even keep records of the cards shown to his players" ???
Maybe u ought include some subtitles 4 your comments 2 make some sense.
Another quote from your reply: -
(What do you expect, charity begins at home)
u mean u will focous your energy 4 your club now instead of ham?
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zajru
09-30-2004 2:26 pm
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get on with it..
come on guys it is true that rabat have a wonderful team especially on indoor were their skills excel. I dont think that Rabat have ever shown any arrogance towards other teams and the comments above are a bit far fetched.
A mistake has been done and the heat of the rivalry between these teams is reaching a peak. Let this rivalry be a sportive one and dont get carried away with it. I hope that on saturday we ll have a wonderful match to see since there will be the best two teams on the islands. Even though there arent a lot of teams and there isnt a lot of competition for these teams i think they deserve their superioty on the pitch.
Good luck guys
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From Rabat
10-01-2004 10:57 am
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Zajru
I think that in reality the rivalry between YS and Rabat is only sportive, for most of the players ... but d...heads and m..rons like some of the above are found everywere!! and maltese hockey is not an excepion.
good luck 2 U as well, for the season
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CT
10-02-2004 5:53 pm
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Congratulations and Well done Rabat HC. You deserve it after all.
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