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Ric Charlesworth
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By Ric Charlesworth.
http://www.riccharlesworth.com.au

Ric's new book entitled "Shakespeare the Coach" will be released in August, 2004

At the Olympic Qualifying Tournament in Spain defenders in some teams wore protective equipment (face masks) while defending penalty corners. This, I was informed, was contrary to the rules but sensibly umpires looked the other way.

In the mid 70's as a medical student in training I went to the operating theatre on a Monday morning and was surprised to see one of my cricket friends on the operating table. His fractured skull was the result of being struck by a cricket ball on the weekend. As an opening batsman for Western Australia, facing the world's fastest bowlers on a regular basis, I became one of the first cricketers to wear a protective helmet while batting in first class cricket. At the time criticised; such practice is now the standard at every level of cricket. It is mandatory for players to wear protection at practice and in games. Failure to do so could lead to punitive actions for damages when injury occurs.

It is interesting to compare the speeds and distances in cricket with hockey. The ball is the same size and weight. The batsman at cricket stands 20 yards from the bowler, wears leg pads, chest, body and abdominal protectors, gloves, arm guards and helmet and has a bat twice the width of a hockey stick. The fastest bowlers deliver the ball between 130-155 km/hr. The batsman has a clear uninterrupted view of the ball after delivery and sightscreens in place to assist with vision

In hockey the defending players - not the goalkeeper who is well protected - are without any protection besides their stick and some lower abdominal guards ("a box"). The ball is hit at 120-145 km/hr or drag flicked at 100-120 km/hr and they are 12 yards from the striker or flicker. There are often many players between the shooter and defender, especially now without offside. They are attempting to deflect the ball, distract and unsight defenders and goalkeeper and be in place for rebound opportunities.

I would argue that the likelihood of serious injury is much greater in hockey than cricket where the distance is much greater, view uninterrupted and protection substantial. This situation is absurdly dangerous and ought not be countenanced by any responsible international federation on the grounds of safety.

However, there are other disturbing aspects as to how this present rule has come about and there is a disturbing impact on the development of a game of great skill that I dearly love.

In the early 80s, in order to better defend against power hitting, goalkeepers began to "log" or fall to the ground. Initially, some were badly injured but eventually with the use of high-density foam and better helmets to protect them this method proved successful.

By the end of the 80s the flicked ball was allowed to counter this tactic and by the mid 90s this had become a most potent weapon for scoring. Indeed, the Dutch tactic of blocking the goalkeeper's vision in 1996 proved difficult to counter in the final matches of that Olympic Games. Still the ball speed seldom exceeded 100km/hr as the technique and tools were yet to be perfected.

Now, with composite materials of low elasticity and highly 'bowed' sticks used by flickers, the best reach speeds in excess of 120km/hr.The bow allows for more power as the ball can be more easily caught and kept on the stick in a 'sling shot' manner in the act of the drag flick - less technique is required with these sticks - not more! Technology and stick design have allowed these gains.

When I first played hockey as a junior I remember rules being invoked that prohibited undercutting on penalty corners - now practically 40 years later the same dangers are now being permitted.

When I heard the FIH ruling would improve safely on corners I expected that perhaps protective equipment would be allowed at least until this rule was fixed. I hoped that high shots might be ruled out. I never anticipated that the defenders would be rendered unable to defend by pressuring the shot.

The new "interpretation" or "direction" diminishes the defending team's ability to defend corners. It practically says that every penalty corner ought be a free shot and this exaggerates the importance of one closed skill that it has already been greatly enhanced by the march of to technical changes in hockey sticks and the FIH's acquiesce to such changes. Interestingly a game such as baseball only allows wooden bats at the highest level of the game. Had they not done so every man and his dog would be hitting balls out of their grounds.

As one correspondent to a hockey website recently demurred "perhaps we should call the game "drag flickey' rather than hockey" Clearly this one skill has gained such importance that it distorts the rewards available for other traditional ball skills.

In every other situation on the field playing the ball high into an opponent is dangerous. Why should not it be the responsibility of the shooter on a penalty corner to do the same as any other player who shoots at goal in field play or indeed on a subsequent shot on a corner.

Running down the line need not reflect an attempt to use the body defending. Indeed players doing this do so with their sticks in front of their legs It is the best way to cover all options particularly if the ball is to be played to the right of the rushing player. It is only dangerous if the attacking team shoots at the runner! What it ought initiate is the need for goal shooters to make safe shots. Certainly that was the intention of past rule changes that required low shots.

Also this interpretation assumes a drag flick! The runner must alter his line even if the attacking team uses another option such as a hit or bunt to the runner's right for a subsequent shot.

Most penalty corners result from a manufactured foul. A simple trapping error or a ball played onto a foot. These things are much easier than trying to take a goal shot and now they will be further rewarded with a free shot at goal which presently is so difficult to get in field play. Equally the field shot, should it be attempted, would be designated dangerous if it was played high into the body of a defender!!

We are rewarding the wrong things and more and more emphasis is being given to this very narrow range of skills that are so crucial in deciding tournaments. I can hear the old voices saying " it has always been thus"…my retort is that may be true but it has always been a problem that we still aren't rewarded the really attractive and interesting skills of our game. This is notwithstanding my first argument about safety, which I believe by itself ought be sufficient to require a rethink of these situations.

The other issue is of course that of simplicity as this rule will prove very difficult to oversee given the already incredible number of things happening on a corner. It will require the sort of split-second assessment that most umpires will not be able to make with consistency

My views on the way to go with the penalty corner is that we should have a 'power play' that requires players to break from midfield with passing against an outnumbered defence (maybe a GK and 2 defenders) who would not be frozen on the goal line as is presently the case. This would still contain the moment and excitement of the present penalty corner and allow time for an 'advert break' as TV requires.

The corner would be preserved in the form of the present penalty corner except the ball would be injected from the sideline as at present and the attackers would have to be outside the 25 while the rest of the defence team would be at the half line. Certainly giving the corner some teeth would further discourage teams that now play 'over the back-line' without fear of the consequences

With respect to hockey stick design we should only allow a tolerance of 1-2 cm 'bow' to outlaw these new weapons. Also high flicks in field play should be illegal if an opponent is within 5m. That would not allow high balls to be thrown in 'dead ball' situations. This present practice mimics the 'chip' which those of us who played in the 80s would remember.

Earlier this year I was asked to comment on the Olympic prospects of the various teams. This decision, in my view, changes the odds as Pakistan, Netherlands and Germany will benefit most. Such a decision, so close to the Olympics is yet another layer of ad hockery and it still does not embellish our game or provide the safety, simplicity or reward the great skills that our game has to offer.
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Johnny Hackett
07-10-2004  1:59 am
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penalty Corners rules
I agree the result of a game can now boil down to which team has the best drag flicker. Pakistan is often outplayed in all other facets of the game and still wins due to drag flicks. However I admire the skills of the top drag flickers and think it can be an exciting aspect of the game. Ric does contradict himself, by suggesting the rule modifications benefit select teams, then stating that the drag flick is technology rather than skill dependent. Yet we have the same access to the technology in Australia, so why don't we have drag flickers like Pakistan's or Germany's? Maybe we could reduce the impact of drag flicking by making it more difficulty to achieve a penalty corner, eg by awarding a free outside the circle for unintentional fouls (eg having the ball played into one's foot when defending inside the circle). The rules should encourage teams to score field goals rather than manufacture penalty corners.
COOL
07-10-2004  10:13 am
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GREAT ARTICLE
A good read. Fresh insight into the entire penalty corner rule controversy. And yes, the safety issue cannot be ignored. I also agree with Johnny Hackett, the sport should be structured to encourage attractive and mesmerising field play.

The "power play" suggestion is interesting, but may not be in line with the main reason that penalty corners were awarded in the first place. Loosely put, the intent of a penalty corner was to give a slight advantage the attacking team which has been unfairly and delibrately infringed by the opposition in such a manner that attacking team was robbed of a potentially scoring opportunity. It was meant to povide a slight edge to the attacking team. All team sports have such provisions in one manner or another. The idea is to limit fouls, deter unfair disruption to the game and cater to the basic tenet of sporting fairness. I am not fully convinced that "Power Play" provides the same edge to the attacking team.

However, the present rules have been corrupted to provide much, much more than a slight edge to the attacking team. If the team has an adept drag flicker, then a goal is almost assured. Could the same assurance be provided through field play. I definitely think not. The PC advantage has often produced results that are lopsided making attractive field play almost redundant.

Pakistan definitely has this advantage. Abbas has to be first expert flicker for Pakistan and see what he has done...single handedly. He has over shadowed the others in the team. Without him Pakistan would be a pale shadow of what they are today. It is well known that most teams (having an expert flicker) play for a foul in the D rather than score a FG. And we all know how simple it is to manufacture a foul in hockey...a flick to the shoes would nicely.

The real pity is that the FIH chose to inroduce a major change in the PC rules so close to Athens. This is clearly a distinct disadvantage for some of the teams. It was poorly timed to say the least. It also may be a coerced decision on the part of FIH.

Lastly, hockey needs the acumen, insight and experience of the likes of Ric Charlesworth. Do continue to share your thoughts with us.
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Sukh
07-10-2004  11:27 am
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Agree with Johnny Hackett about awarding PCs for unintentional fouls in the D.
Although PC flicks are an exciting part of the game, I feel they influence the overall result of a game too much.
Pakistan have won several games just by their incredible conversion rate of PCs. The same applies to Holland ( historically).
Field goals should be encouraged at the expense of PCs. I believe one solution would be to increase the size of the D. This will increase the distance the ball has to travel from the drag flicker & give the keeper a little bit more time to react. It will also give more opportunities to attackers in open play.
just a thought
07-10-2004  12:32 pm
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I know that the fundamental of the game is who scores the most goal, but how about a points system where goals from open play are worth 3 and from corners 1.
Rudi
07-10-2004  1:34 pm
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wisdom
This article should be required for everyone interested in the future of the game. It is truly (and unfortunately) evolving into a game of penalty flicking. There must be rule changes considered which returns the focus to dribbling and passing skills and not "goon" hockey. A good place to start would be to give more credit to a field goal than to a penalty corner.
IndianFan
07-10-2004  9:11 pm
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Great Article - from the Best of the Bests
This is vintage Ric Charlesworth - at his best - a simplyg gorgeous article with profound arguments. This is the strongest and most clear cut case made against the current trend of "drag flickery / drag flicky" (a.ka., "scull duggery"). Hockey must be rescued from the clutch of this malady. Otherwise, it will no longer be the sport that we knew it to be - the most artistic and sublime. I sincerely hope that the FIH powers-that-be listen up to Ric's arguments and logic. Once again, my profoundest regards to Dr. Charlesworth for this invaluably worthy piece of writing which, hopefully, will catalyze the changes that would save the true spirit of hockey and restore some of the old glories of the game. Thanks a lot, Ric. Indeed, you are the Best Hockey Mind of our times.
Foxy
07-11-2004  4:26 am
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Thx Doc for a very interessting article you truly have a clever and thourough understanding of the game!

Hockey unlike cricket,rugby,tennis,soccer, ect. has been the victim of to many rule changes in the last couple of years, therefor the main focus with regards to making new rules in the future should be SAFETY, allowing & rewarding FLAIR and TALENT and CREATIVITY but within a range!
Charles Farias
07-11-2004  7:25 am
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What an excellent article by the great Ric Charlesworth! I fully agree with him and appreciate his views in the matter.

Actually defending the penalty-corner drag-flicks or hits by the defenders (and to a lesser extent, the goalkeeper) on the goal-line is an extremely difficult and hazardous job. For one, the defenders have to try to avoid getting injured by the ball coming at alarming speed and on the other hand, they (alongwith the goal-keeper, of course) have to also try not to concede a goal – not easy, especially against the likes of Sohail Abbas, for example.

I also feel that ‘manufactured’ penalty corners are a bit unfair to the defending team because it gives the attacking team a chance to score a goal (if they have a PC ‘expert’) just by ‘earning’ PCs. In fact, India, the pioneers of hockey are suffering the most, at the moment since their drag-flick expert, Jugraj Singh has been out of action for the last so many months.
wp87
07-11-2004  8:01 am
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why isn't he on the hockey rules board? magnificent article
for more comments, see the thread re sohail his advantages gained by the rule changes. many good ideas were tossed around there too.
Hockey Fan
07-11-2004  5:01 pm
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Hockey Dangers
Thank you Hari for reading my previous posting about Ric Charlesworth.

It is good to read positive feedback. Guys and Girls, lets all send emails to FIH asking why a person like Ric Charlesworth is not on Board? Why these rule changes? How many of these rule boys have played serious level of Hockey? Do the Western Nations likes of Dutchies/Germans/Spain not like thye likes of Ric and his frankness.

Let a Dutch/German/Spainish/English player get hurt and you will see new rules in operation.

Guys, You want FIH email address, please state and will advise along with their address /telephone numbers etc....

God save HOCKEY FROM FIH idiots.
Tom Harris
07-11-2004  10:53 pm
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Rules for Safety
The article by Ric Charlesworth points out the obvious danger of players standing or running into harm’s way with no protection. Under the present circumstances, it is only a matter of time until someone is severely injured or worse. Obviously, some rules must be changed.
In addition to the penalty corner, another dangerous situation is a free hit by an attacking team just outside the circle. In this instance, the defending and attacking players may be only five meters from the ball when it is hit at the speed Dr. Charlesworth identifies as 120 kilometers per hour (33.33 meters per second). This allows the defending player .15 seconds to react. While the rules do not allow a lifted ball, sometimes the ball is accidentally raised. To make matters worse, there are as many as 20 players in this very small area between the goal and the free hit.
The following suggestions are offered for consideration in order to ameliorate the situation without adding cost for additional protective equipment and to preserve and encourage the use of traditional skills and techniques.
1. Increase the size of the circle to 19.63 meters. This is the location of the current dashed line that is marked outside the circle.
2. Add a goaltenders circle. This would be three meters from the goal and similar to the shooting circle. Only one defender (usually the goaltender) and no other players would be allowed in this area except when pursuing a ball that had already entered.
3. Shots inside the circle and penalty strokes would count for three points. Penalty corners and shots from outside the circle would count for one point.
4. Free hits from outside the circle and inside the twenty three meter line by the attacking team would have to travel five meters before the ball could be hit in the direction of the goal.
5. A foul would only be called when the defender intentionally plays the ball with a foot.
The first suggestion would increase the distance a shot could be taken by 34% and the shooting area would increase by 74%. As Dr. Charlesworth points out the ball is now traveling 20% faster in just the last eight years. It is probably traveling twice as fast as when the circle was first introduced into the game.
The second proposal would prevent unprotected players from running directly in the path of a shot at the goal from a penalty corner. It would also allow the umpires and spectators to see the ball when it is near the goal.
The third suggestion would put more emphasis on field goals and lessen the desire to create a foul with the hopes of scoring a corner. (It would also keep the ball in play more and make the game more understandable to new viewers and potential sponsors.)
The fourth idea would discourage the use of the direct hit at goal on a free hit and minimize the random deflection.
The last proposal would decrease the number of manufactured fouls.
These proposals may seem drastic to some, but they are intended to be a point of departure in the discussions of how to make hockey safer and more enjoyable for players, officials and spectators.
To conclude, let me quote Dr. Charlesworth.
I can hear the old voices saying " it has always been thus"…my retort is that may be true but it has always been a problem that we still aren't rewarded the really attractive and interesting skills of our game. This is notwithstanding my first argument about safety, which I believe by itself ought be sufficient to require a rethink of these situations.
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07-12-2004  5:35 am
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INSTEAD OF THE CORNER.
1V1 POWER PLAY AGAINST GOALKEEPER.
Mat
07-12-2004  6:45 am
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FieldHockey without PC is no longer FieldHockey
I think that the rule of PC is very typical and unique in our game. We need to keep it.
Let me answer to some of the above points.
1- Increasing the size of the D is a good idea but it would not be easy to make it effective everywhere in the world at the same time. In the leading countries where hockey is one of the top sports, it won't be a problem, but it the others (a majority) it would be hard to implement the rule as clubs often share their fields with other sports.
2-/3-/4- Theses new rules would make Hockey more difficult to understand to non-hockey players... I don't think it is good for our sport
5- I think this is a good idea even if it would be difficult to the umpires to differenciate the intentional fouls and the non-intentional ones.

Moreover, we had the possibility to see how top international hockey teams handled with the new PC rule during the Rabobank 4 Nations tournament and the Hamburg Masters (on FieldHockey.tv). It seems that the defenders now let the goalkeepers running at the dragflickers with a good rate of success...
Why wouldn't we let this new rule implement by itself to see what are the "on the field" concequences rather than comment the effect before seeing the real results of it ?
keeper
07-13-2004  2:38 am
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Thanks Ric - great article, great insight as usual.

Perhaps more emphasis on the manufactured foul by umpires could help, with both umpires having control on decisions in the D as this could assist with the number of penalty corners awarded. How many coaches do you hear from the sideline yelling 'put in on their feet'?

I am not sure whether a variable scoring system for field goals vs penaly corner goals would assist or hinder as hockey is traditionally a low scoring game anyway.

While flinging is happening at the top levels the players should be allowed to protect themselves. Lets not wait for a serious head injury to occur before we consider safety. As a keeper I am very aware of the injuries and bruises I receive even when padded and I dread the day that a posty or runner gets a direct hit that could cause serious or a life changing injury from playing the sport we love. Lets not make the role of penalty corner defense become a case of 'let's flip for it' as players become scared for their safety.
aussie fan
07-13-2004  4:20 am
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reply to johnny hackett
some very interesting comments made by all, inparticular, johnny. johnny when is the last time you watched australia play hockey? australia does have its own corner specialist, Troy Elder....the thing is he can actually play the game!!! you will notice Abbas is fantastic at drag flicks yet does not have the skill in other areas that Elder has. wouldnt you rather a player with a broader skill base? if there were no corners in the game Abbas would be out of a job..
shinpads
07-13-2004  4:23 am
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Goalkeepers running down corners??? Was tried in the late 70' - early 80's with some initial success until the corner batteries learnt to pass the ball.

I agree with Ric's main issues but find that the most simplistic and safest option would be to bring back the original interpretation of scoring from a corner (brought in when goalkeepers were first allowed to lie down after the running out on corners was found to be tactically flawed) which is that the first strike must hit the backbaord.

However I firmly believe that goalkeepers should not be allowed to drop at all until the ball has been stopped, deflected or passed and this would create two positive effects for the game.

First goalkeepers will have to acquire long forgotten skills of using their pads for saving and deflecting the ball and most importantly how to understand the importance of angles or more goals would be scored.

Second it would make umpires' jobs so much easier as all they would have to decide (most of the time) was "Did the ball hit the backboard or was it too high when it was stopped?"

Already the guessing game of whether the ball was stopped by the attackers before the shot has been taken out of the game, so that is not an issue anymore.

The safety aspect is one that truely fascinates me. If the administrators of this game are allowed to continue tinkering with the rules we will end up with a game that resembles Ice Hockey without the skates. All players will be wearing full body suits and helmets so that no one gets hurt and this will further encourage rough tactics.

This game is not for wimps and there is always an element of danger in any sport that invloves a group of people trying to hit a little ball at each other. And one of the saving graces now is that because we are not too well protected there is usually a very strong sense that people avoid seriously damaging each other because of the instinctive fear of what may happen.

Take away this licence to do physical damage --- the drag flick -----before you see some player deliberately direct the ball at an oncoming player in order to gain another corner or worse - to stop that player from running down the ball. If it has not happened yet it will because the rules actually allow for it now.

I wonder how many FIH officials bother to read what we have to say. Maybe we should all start emailing them our points of view so they can see what we "plebs" think.
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Marcos Hofmann
07-13-2004  8:32 am
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I vote for "power play"
This issue about undercutting the latest advances in penalty corner techniques has been around for the last 50 years, as Ric has pointed out in hi article. Mr. Horst Wein has been around for at least 15 years with the idea of solving the PC issue with a "power play" in a 1:1 format. I would align my opinion with Ric's, and try to solve the problem with a 3:3 (G.K. included); starting from 25 yards line, and with the rest of the two teams at the other 25 yards line. This would create a spectacular and skilful situation where attackers would have still a clear advantage. We would be rescuing the importance that skilled players have been having in hockey history.
Honest Stu
07-13-2004  9:48 am
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Safety Aspects
In any sport , as " Shinpads" rightly states , there is an element of danger.

However , I think we're largely missing the point here.

What needs to be assessed is the level of risk involved and action taken where the risk of very serious or even life threatening injury is above a certain level.

In hockey , certain risks are extremely high and must be addressed.

Forget the elite athletes for a minute , there are thousands of relatively "run of the mill" players in our sport who , with the equipment available to them , are able to propel the ball at very high speeds indeed , and often in mixed ability groups.

These players are the most dangerous on the planet , the ones whose technique is not as highly honed as the top athletes , leading to mistakes , misjudgements and misdirection.

The existence , or not , of the drag flick , will have little or no impact on the serious injury issues at lower levels where accidentally lifted short corner strikes are commonplace , as are the associated facial injuries.

Similarly , the deflected shot ( intentionally or otherwise ) is another high risk area.

All the injuries I have seen to date at the lower levels , have been as a result of these types of incident , not the drag flick which the majority have yet to master.

We tend to overlookthe fact that the vast majority of hockey players worldwide do not play at the top level and , despite their best intentions , inadvertantly do dangerous things on a regular basis.

With suitable facial protection , none of these injuries would have occurred , why are we not advocating their use as coaches , administrators etc ? or are we waiting for the inevitable legal action for negligence - some parent / player will eventually go down that line.

I am not advocating the ice hockey syndrome but simple facial / throat protection and , perhaps a box for the old wedding tackle - not that it would make much difference to me these days !
shinpads
07-13-2004  5:10 pm
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Just a further note on the safety issue which sort of got lost in my thoughts.

There is an old adage that many people forget these days.... If you can't take the heat then get out of the kitchen, do not pull the house down.

For the last 100 years this game has evolved to what it is today. This evolution is ever ongoing, but I really fear the "thought police" may take away what this game (and most other sports too) really is.

It is a contest between opposing factions, played with sticks which resemble weapons of bygone eras and played by varied skill levels, intellects and motivations.

Of course there is danger, so is walkng down the streets of Baghdad -- or or any other town in the world for that. If you worried about how many ways to be hurt in life you would end up a basket case in an assylum where you would probably die of drug induced lethargy.

What is the most important aspect is that the law makers must identify what is dangerous and what is an acceptable level of accidental damage in this sport.

In over 40 years of playing at all levels and on all types of surfaces I have seen many horrific injuries caused by mostly accidents, but the most dangerous situations always occur when officials forget that this game is for the players and not them or do not understand what is happening and allow things to get out of hand.

That is what has happened with this current interpretation of the drag flick. There are only a handful of truely competent exponents of this skill and it is interesting that coaches encourage players to learn these new tricks without teaching all players the strategies to avoid injury from them at the same time.

The important issue is that this game is going to have it's casualties and no protective devices will save all of us.

As a point in case I have had numerous crown jewels protectors smashed by ordinary people hitting totally legal shots at me, many broken fingers by perfectly sane people trying to score goals by hitting the ball just where my hand happened to be, several broken ribs by very skillful but unfortunately unbalanced people tripping over my sliding prone body in my attempts to save a goal. And all this has occurred since all this whiz bang protective goalkeeping gear has been in vogue. Before that it was much the same.

Do we need to make more rules and equipment to save people from injury or do we need to get rid of one or two obvious and glaring unsafe practices that will undoubtably hamper several teams until they find another way to bend the rules?

To me it is fairly styraight forward and I have alluded to those views in my previous post.
Nic
07-14-2004  1:44 am
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Overlooked point
The rule change prohibits players deliberately running into teh path of a shot at goal.

Taken literally, this could be interpreted that the defender can run down any line (s)he wishes until the shot has been made. This means that if the defender is running down a particular line before the ball is struck, they are ok as no shot at goal has been made.

If the rule is interpreted word for word as writte, the umpire is in an impossible position, having to decide whether the defender was on a particular line first, or whether the shot came first.

That aside, my main concern is with the spirit of this rule change. Morally, it is incumbent upon the administrators of any game to make it safe to play; this includes safe to do 'normal' actions. Telling players they may not run down a particular line, or, more accurately, if they are, and a shot at goal is made, they have to change direction or be responsible and penalised for getting hurt shows either that the administration does not understand the true spirit of the game, or that they are make changes as a result of politicial interference from those nations who will benefit the most from such a change.

Let's campaign to make hockey a safer game, and to maximise skill; there is no skill in flicking or hitting a ball straight at a defender, knowing you will hurt them, reducing defensive options, and get rewarded for it.

My suggestions? For deliberate fouls outside of the 'D', a power play of some sort. For accidental fouls inside the 'D', free hit outside the 'D'.
Roger Edwards
07-14-2004  2:01 am
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The Controversy of the Drag Flick
Ric's comments are very valid. Through the continued use of drag flicks we are devaluing the wider skills of our game. My side has benefited from drag flick execution for the last 2 years with myself and a team mate reaping the rewards. No doubt there were several games we should not have won. One such flick led to us winning the league. Never has this been better illustrated by the inclusion of Callum Giles in the GB squad in the 90's when he enetered the fray to convert SC's when rolling subs allowed this. In fairness to Callum, his wider game was lacking to play at International level. Over sports have their experts such as Jonny Wilkinson. Though his game is wider than just his dead ball kicking, there is growing discussion of the points system in Rugby Union.

Safety is an issue as Craig Parnham (ex GB Cpatain) will testify. Having been on the end of a flick in the throat, his injury could have been far worse. Clearly, as Ric points out, this does not make our game safe for players.

The idea of adopting a power play style approach, taking from Ice Hockey, would be interesting. Again this would rely on skill and a wider variable. Perhaps with chasing defenders running from the oppo's 25 yard. No doubt this is similar to many drills we do in training. This would create the excitement we currently have in short corners but allow a wider variable of skill closer to the traditional aspects of our sport. Further, as Ric suggests, we could accomodate TV coverage more readily. An area that is still lacking in our sport and requires much needed discussion.
FIH Official
07-14-2004  2:55 am
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Yes to shinpads question

An excellent article by Ric Charlesworth, as ever

Good posts and comments

Reading and Listening!
Peter Munsing
07-14-2004  7:23 am
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Great comments on a great article
All are to be applauded for avoiding the unfortunate tendency of these forums to descend into nationalistic backbiting, juvenile comments. Instead a long, thoughtful article with long, thoughtful comments.
The suggestions for watching technology and maybe looking to put limits on it is good, as is the suggestion to give more points for goals from field play--just as in American football field goals, with a high probablility of success, only get one point but field play driven conversions get 2.
There is a nobility in allowing sportsmen and the equipment makers to perfect their sport and craft. However, when the natural drive to excel in every form of the sport leads to one aspect dominating, it's not untoward to take a step back and look at the overall picutre. Before the drag flick, the penalty corner had a certain role, and one of the initial points of this thread was that that role has now been changed substantially, to the point that the tail may now be wagging the dog, that a team may excel primarily on the strength of its drag fligkers.
The sport as a whole may decide that they want that change, or not. But it's great that people are looking at the shifts in the nature of the game that the drive to do better in each aspect of the sport brings.
Above all, the community needs to work to assure that the game stays fluid and fast. Avoid the tendency of American football to long set-up, or of professional soccer to an endless series of long, back-and forth endless passes.
Tie-breaker shootouts do allow the drag flickers the opportunity to shine in an appropriate place. To allow the drag flick to dominate the game may be elevating the corner to a dominance it was never meant to have, and more importantly in a way that changes the sport from one of field skills to one of manoever to try to draw the penalty.
John Hrytsak
07-14-2004  10:03 am
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Small Changes
Perhaps the penalty corner can be made more safe by moving the attackers to outside the 5m dashed line. The ball would still have to come outside the circle, but the added distance would take away the absolute certainty of a drag flick and allow defenders to establish a safe position. This would also keep intact the idea of rewarding attackers and penalizing defenders inside the circle.

I believe moving attackers out to the 23m line would be too far, but maybe there is a compromise.
Peter D'Cruz
07-14-2004  12:19 pm
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re: Small changes
Moving the attackers to the 5m dashed line outside the circle to begin a penalty corner is most simple suggestion amongst the many suggested so far. I suggest that the PC from that point be played just as in open play and the issue of dangerous play is judged just as it would be in open play. Keep the same number of defenders as currently involved in the PC to minimise change. With respect to introducing the powerplay concept as Charlie suggests into this simple suggestion, the remaining defending team players would go to the far side 25-yard line, so the attacking team should have at least 6-10 seconds to undertake an attacking play and have their chance on goal before the defenders get some help from the rest of their team.

As to Charlie's other suggestion about breaks required for TV commercials, the professional ice hockey league in North America, the NHL, figured this out decades ago and takes 30 sec. and 60 sec. commercial breaks before face-offs during play. A "commercial" timeout is called by the referee and the players wait the 30-60 seconds on the ice and then the game resumes. The ice hockey referees are well trained in knowing when to call the commercial timeouts to minimise disruption in the flow of the game. There is no reason field hockey can't do exactly the same without changing any facet of the rules of the game. I am sure the players in major international tournaments would welcome a couple of commercial breaks per half.
Yan Huckendubler
07-14-2004  12:40 pm
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Small changes might be enough
John Hrytsak's suggestion ("Small changes") is probably the easiest to implement. It would significantly reduce the danger of the current penalty corner, but without introducing drastic changes to the way the game is played.
Spicoli
07-14-2004  1:19 pm
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Re: re: Small changes
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Peter D'Cruz [/i]
[B] The ice hockey referees are well trained in knowing when to call the commercial timeouts to minimise disruption in the flow of the game. [/B][/QUOTE] This is incorrect. The TV Timeouts are predetermined at certain time intervals. For example at the next stoppage following the 5, 10, and 15 minutes elapsed marks a TV timeout is called. If there is a powerplay the Timeout is put on hold until the first even strength whistle. You can see the red light in the timekeeper's booth indicating a TV Timeout.

Soccer manages to have commercials without taking a timeout. So can FH.
COOL
07-14-2004  1:43 pm
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TIME OUTS...WHAT!!!?
I know that all sport needs money infusion to survive and prosper...lots of it. But equating hockey to the stage managed "sports" that are played in some countries is absurd.
Hockey is a sport having rythm and speed at it's core.Time outs for commercial breaks will surely kill the sport. Disrupt the flow and choke the game.
There ahs to be another way. Football has sucessfully done it without commercial breaks, so should hockey.
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shinpads
07-14-2004  2:16 pm
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As usual we move on to the next phase.

Hockey has the luxury of many breaks in the game to cater for sponsors so there is no need to change anything there. Just a slightly delayed telecast will do.

Let's get back to corners, rule changes and drag flicking so those from FIH reading this can understand more and maybe do something about it.:)
Wasimullah
07-14-2004  6:34 pm
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Sorry to break the rythym here but I would like to ask Dr Charlesworth why he's woken up 5yrs too late. It should'nt have taken him so much time to catch on the negative connotations of dragflicking years ago?? Are they running out of options and flickers down-Under??

All these changes to the sport always favoured one team or the other..shorter curves, grass to poly grass/ turf ....so somebody is always going to find a loop hole in the rules. Calum giles tries to get a stick with a absolute hole / pocket ..Sohail's stick has a sweeter curve..
Why d you have to tinker with the sport now. Just allow for removable protective gear and play on.
mike cullen
07-15-2004  4:56 am
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rule changes
i agree a great article and some interesting comments

i agree that some form of change needs to happen with regards to short corners. it is incredibly dangerous and dominating the game.

i like the idea of increasing the value of a feild goal. at top level hockey every coach worth his salt will tell you to look for a short corner unless it is a clear cut goal scoring opportunity. very boring. rugby has a similar system whereby tries are more value than penalties.

the design of the sticks also needs to be looked at. the bows that some of the sticks have now is rediculous. most strong guys (even those with no technique) can flick the ball at a reasonable speed.

the overhead ball is also a rule that needs looking into. i play in south africa and at our recent inter provincial tournament there were very few teams who could pass the ball out of the defensive 16 yard hit area. many simply threw overheads to get it away from their goal. if i was a non hockey player coming down to watch 70 minutes of balls being lobbed in the air i would rather go to the circus. boring stuff and once again not very skillful as most players with a crazy bend in their stick can flick the ball.

we are forever trying to attract people to watch and support our game - we need to make it exciting in order to have any hope of doing that.
Well Duh!
07-15-2004  7:44 am
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The solution is simple
The FIH should introduce a rule that replaces the current hockey ball with a golf ball.This would would assist in three ways. First of all, a smaller ball would be less likely to make contact with a player. Secondly, in the event that the ball does make contact with a player, the smaller ball would make a smaller wound. And finally, higher scoring games!
Ric Charlesworth
07-15-2004  8:55 am
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Time to respond
Good discussion...These views are not new I have held them publically for some years. The recent changes have, i believe made the game around the circle (or D) much more dangerous and less rewarding for skill v power.The corners have been getting worse since high balls were allowed and offside went. I said then that there would be no more scoring and comparing Atlanta with Sydney that was so!
Unfortunately technology has advanced and if we want parents to allow their kids to play we have to make it safer at every level. In answer to "shinpads", I agree there will always be some risk but presently in our game it is exessive in some situations. I don't want hockey players wearing lots of protection just a consistent application of "danger" and remove situations where the ball is driven into crowded situation or defenders are trying to save drag flicks and hits on the goal-line.This is worse since offside was removed as defenders have to hang around the goal...some one wanted a small GK circle but it can be too complicated.
The power play would reward and require a wide range of skills rather than the team with the best drag flicker...a number of passes or skills would be used to make a goal. To make it a good chance you just adjust the no. of defenders allowed...I like aGK plus 2 against 5 attackers with the others running backfrom the other 23.
For those that think the corner is an integral part of the game I have given the "Corner" more bite and the power play substitutes for PCs while corners (long) are still there and a bit more worthwhile than the present case...this would also reward enterprise as teams that attack would get more of them.
My changes are pretty easy really.I worry about giving more points for a field goal as it will increase the incentive to foul and give away a PC but I think it would send a good message. Making FHs in the 23 indirect could improve things but I think we should be guided by safety, simplicity (much better for referees and spectators as well as players) and most of all we must reward and encourage a wide variety of skills...presently that balance has been lost.
A couple of things.
07-15-2004  7:04 pm
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Thanks again Ric!
A very interesting string of points.
- One thing that keeps getting overlooked is that the reason we now have the rule where the ball can be flicked into the goal at any height is that the FIH didn't like the fact that at competitions like the Olympics, where there were many spectators that weren't familiar with the rules of our game, there were often situations when the ball went into the goal without a "goal" being given. Whatever the final outcome is, it does need to be simple.
- I thought that I had read many times that Craig Parnam was injured by the follow through of a stick at the Sultan Azlan Shah Tournament... Not by being hit by a flick.
- I also thought that John Hrytsak's idea was quite good. It would make scoring at PCs much more difficult, retain one of the uniqe and peculiar things in our sport (I often think that soccer needs something between a free kick and a penalty!), and would be very simple to introduce. The whole issue of the ball being hammered into a crowded circle really needs a look!
wp87
07-16-2004  6:47 am
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why not just change the new rule to
'a player may not drag flick if there is an opponent within (oh, let's say) 5 metres and is inbetween the flicker and the goals'

it doesn't take away the drag flick (the flicker can still pass it to another flicker away from the initial trap) but still retains the skill advantage of being able to dragflick
namelessderro
07-18-2004  11:08 pm
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Guys wat r u all talking about may i ask?

you all keep saying 'dragflicks r dangerous' but you keep forgetting that pretty much every single aspect of hockey has the potential to be dangerous if used the wrong way. I once saw in a hockey brawl one player hit another across the legs with his stick, are you goin to try and make everyone use soft sticks now?

Those of you who have been saying we need to get rid of PC's forget that the PC is hockeys calling card, like the scrum to rugby. getting rid of the PC is just stupid. And those who said that we need to have 1:1 with the keeper instead, that is basically like handing the attacking team a goal. How many international level players wouldnt be able to convert that? about zero is my guess

I think you're all forgetting that one of the basis' of hockey is to encourage skills and the dragflick truly is a skill. your rite it does have the potential to injure but i have been playing hockey since the dragflick was invented and i have never seen one injury from a dragflick, however a large number from different other areas of the game.

Guys think about what u say before u put it down, dragflicks r only dangerous if the defenders put themselves in a position to be in danger
dragflicker
08-11-2004  6:59 am
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thankyou namelessderro. everyone is forgetting that dragflicking is a skill that takes years to perfect and is an exciting aspect of our current game. drag flicking does have the potential to injure people, however so does all other aspects of our game. For example, what about free hits outside of the circle. these are taken with people 5 yards away and smashed in for deflections at enormous power (hitting is harder than drag flicking). Just because there is a danger of being hit with a raised ball or deflection, does this mean we should change this rule too???? I think not!!!!

I have only ever seen one injury as a result of drag flicking which was because of the runner out running straight down the barrel at the drag flicker. Hearing a great deal about what happens on the international circuit i do not believe there has been a single major injury by a drag flick.

The only suggestion that I would make to change drag flicking would be to cut the bow down 10-15mm but then again I don't use the biggest bowed stick so i might be slightly bias :)
Rob Smart
08-16-2004  7:21 am
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$5.95 Chemist Mouthguard
Ric, as usual a well considered discussion on an ever increasing danger for the poor defender on the backline with the "shinnies", "DP" and the all important Chemist quality mouthguard . I'd be interested to read your views on the interpretations of the reverse- stick "tomahawk", in my view a complete "no brainer" skill that has crept back into the game (and is just as dangerous as the drag flick). I used to value my skill in hitting the ball reverse stick without sliding the stick along the ground. Now the juniors do a double-take and fall over laughing. I've seen juniors emulating the skill on grass and the results are not usually pretty! ...Your view?
Random
08-17-2004  1:42 am
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$5.95 brain
dere rob,

no your not smart, if ur worried that all the defenders have to protect themselves is a mouthguard then why dont u just take ur brain out and use it, put it to more use than at the moment. I agree with namelessderro, if you put yourself in the way of a dragflick then its your own responsibility for getting hit.

And how is the tomahawk a 'no brainer'? im guessing that you dont watch much international hockey do you? because if you did you would notice that almost 50% of goals are either from or a result of omahawks, they are a skills that when perfected go at twice to pace and twice the accuracy of an upright backstick. If the kids cant use them when they are young it will ony make it more dangerous when they grow up as they will have more power and less control of the shots.
Stephen
08-24-2004  5:03 am
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End of time
Another aspect of the p. corner needs to be changed in my view.
In the light of the NZ India game it appears that another aspect that needs to looked at is the rule which allows the corner to be played out. Why should there be a different rule for one stage of the game is at teh end of the half. Surely like basketball we should keep accurate time and the end of time should be it.

The sight of the whole team gathered around the circle shows that it is not fair that a corner awarded at the end of a half is given extra weight compared to other corners.
namelessderro
08-25-2004  1:34 am
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Yeah stephen I have to disagree with you simply for the fact that the reason that rule was brought in was because if the hooter was close to goin and one team was in attack then the other would jsut kick the ball and give away a corner then take forever to set up so that the corner couldnt be played out in time.

If you get rid of that rule everybody will jsut give away penalty corners to waste time so that the attacking team doesnt have the chance to attack one last time
deegum
08-29-2004  7:15 am
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The current rules of hockey, including those regarding the PC, are pretty straightforward. You can't deliberately do things that are dangerous to other players. Other players may not deliberately create danger by moving into the actual, { NOT anticipated) path of the ball. The current problem with the drag flick at the PC comes from the " interpretation" that a player on the goal line or running out is deliberately placing himself in danger. This has NO basis in the rules. He is performing a perfectly legal and tactically sensible act. Like any other place on the field he moves to where he can most ably counter the attackers.
Apply the rules as written.
There is far too much concern about what looks good on TV.
And I don't recall a single high drag flick at the Olympics from a PC. Or in general play.
This said, I have no objections to such things as power plays, though I prefer the PC . It may be a necessary change given the attitudes current.
A one on one Instead of PF was tried in Australia's NHL a few years ago. Some one may know why it was dropped.
As to ADDITIONAL protective equipment: I don't like the idea . It merely increases the costs and the " acceptable level of Violence" I recall when goalies first acquired modern protective gear, including helmets: unprotected goalies were no longer given the protection they had enjoyed, despite no change in the rules.
There will be an effective compulsion on field players to wear it.
Not all players clubs or even countries can afford this in an already expensive game.
However if it is allowed , it should only be allowed to be changed under the same conditions as a stick change.
Sooner or later a critical goal will be stopped by a piece of disgarded protective equipment thrown At the goals.. illegally.
And re the "Olympic " interpretation on running out at a PC. If the goalie does it, and stops the ball with his body the decision is.........? :)
I reckon the interpretation is redundant and confusing.
nunya
09-13-2004  7:51 pm
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this is a stupid thing!
i love field hockey but i don't want to see a sight on how to play the game
bye


ps get some pictures!
namelessderro
09-15-2004  4:16 am
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deegum, you havent really talked to many people about this rule change have you? because all your arguments have already been discussed before the rule was brought in and all come under the simple rule of 'deliberately making the other team infringe.'

See the reason this rule change was brought in was becasue most teams would send out their first runner down the barrel to get hit simply so that the shot wouldnt come off and he would get hit and recieve the free hit, now apart from being dangerous it is also creating an infrigement when the attacking team did nothing wrong apart from take a legitimate shot at the goal.

Now i agree that when the first runner is running out with his stick in front of the shot to stop it legitimately that is ok, and it should be blown that way, but when he runs with his body in front of the goal he is saying to the attacking team 'hit me' and that is creating a danger that would otherwise not exist.

And by the way if the goalkeeper runs out first and it hits his body then it is play on, as you would know if you had asked most people as a lot of teams have tried it to see wether it is worth using
go voodoo
09-20-2004  2:19 am
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deegum
deegum, did you watch the Olympics mate? You don't recall a single high drag flick from a PC? Troy Elder(AUS), Hayden Shaw(NZ), Teake Teakema(netherlands), Xavier Rebas(spain) are just a few I remember. I don't like dragflicking. I absolutely love it. You people who are saying take out the PC's, get lost. It is what makes it exciting for me. It is what got me into the game. Sure I love a good field goal, though. I taped every single Olympic hockey game on T.V. What do you think I watch over and over again? The penalty corners. I am a junior, and If penalty corners were banned, I would probably stop playing. A lot of my friends might not do that, but they would definetly not enjoy it as much.
Phil G
10-27-2004  4:15 pm
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go voodoo
Once coached a youngster who, like many, just wanted to score goals and nothing was better than scoring with a spectacular flick. He made the national team some years ago when you could substitute for a PC. Guess what? He only came on for the penalty corners. Everyone I met did not think he should have been in the squad because he couldn't play hockey at international standard. Unfair to him- he was a good national league player - but everyone remembered him as the player whose only skill was to flick the ball.

Hockey is a team game and there is much more to it than PCs. The rules are turning it into a simple and one sided shooting competition. However spectacular it is seeing it for the first time it becomes repetitive and boring if the odds are stacked heavily in favour of one side or the other.
go voodoo
10-31-2004  1:02 am
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I agree it is not right to have players only there for the PC's, like sohail abbas. take Troy Elder for instance, a fantastic midfielder, scores a few field goals. An awesome dragflicker.
You can not blame teams for having a designated PC flicker. It is allowed, and is so succesful, every one else is so why not? And then the flicker puts so much work into flicking instead of other skills and drills, hence making them look like all they can do is flick when playing at a high standard. I do understand your side of the argument, firstly i think they should ban sticks with a bow bigger than 30mm, so it is not so easy, and it will take a bit of the pace of the flick.
Kilmory
11-07-2004  1:56 pm
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One thing that seems to have been overlooked throught this line of enquiry is that a manufactured foul is an offence in itself. Surley if a tighter grip was taken on this, a lot of PC's would not be given in the first place? If the attacking team was peanalised for attempting to manufacture the foul then they would be less likley to play for them. I agree that if the defending team infringes the rules then they should be peanalised with the "slight" advantage that the PC should bring. However, to play for the foul should be stamped on so that the advantage is given the other way?
Keely Dunn
12-07-2004  11:11 pm
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A tighter grip on manufactured fouls
Kilmory, your suggestion is valid and is definitely something that umpires, particularly at the international level, are encouraged to do. However, my experience is that it is extremely difficult to ascertain the the intent of attacking players in the minute fraction of a second available to make the decision.

One guide we can use is to assess the options available to the attacking player. To take an extreme example, let's say two attackers are moving unmarked towards the goal in open passing lanes and the ball carrier has only one defender to beat (and that defender is also not blocking a passing lane). If the attacker pushes the ball onto that defender's foot, we have a clear instance of a manufactured foul - the attacker could have just as easily, and probably more productively, passed to one of their wide open teammates. Now, having described a situation so extreme that probably none of us have seen it occur in a game, start adding more "grey areas" and it gets far less clear.

One can argue that umpires are already charged with discerning the intent of defending players when adjudicating deliberate fouls (which are upgraded to penalty corners or strokes, penalized with cards, etc.), so this should be no different. However, that intent is easier to see because the defender is taking an action without the ball - moving their foot from one spot into the path of the ball, or tackling from a difficult position where the stick cannot legally play the ball.

In trying to articulate these ideas I'll admit that perhaps it is just semantics or a matter of training, but in practice making this call is very difficult and an umpire needs to be absolutely certain that the only intent of the attacker is to create that foul - otherwise, the error is egregious.

On the positive side, I think that the increased application of the concept of advantage helps to discourage manufactured fouls. Umpires are trained to, and skilled umpires are successful at holding their whistle when fouls occur, waiting to see whether the fouled team has possession and opportunity to continue play. In the circle, for example, this means that an attacker who pushes the ball onto a defender's foot and still has good opportunity to shoot on goal or make their pass is not rewarded with an immediate whistle and award of a penalty corner. With this in mind, I would hope that fewer higher-level players would produce a foul in such a manner that they have lost opportunity to continue play - rather, they try to keep control of the ball to minimize the risk that a foul is missed, or they fail to produce that foul they're looking for and lose the ball in the process. When advantage is given in the circle, I think a higher percentage of calls against the defending team result from unintentional fouls by defenders that are not deliberately manufactured by the attackers.

Anyway, it's a fascinating discussion and needs continued involvement from all sides - players, umpires, coaches, medical staff, technical officials, fans - to get the best result. We all care a great deal - which is a truly great thing about our game.
Magpie
01-29-2005  5:26 pm
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RULE 9.14
As a goalkeeper and umpire I would like to see more umpires apply Rule 9.14:
Players must not forvce an opponent into offending unintentionally. This is clarified by "Playing