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June 23, 2004 
US Field Hockey Association
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Colorado Springs, Colo. (June 23, 2004) – The USA Field Hockey men’s Under-16 Team will host junior squads from Mexico and British Columbia in a round-robin tournament, June 25-27 in Moorpark, Calif.
The tournament will feature a split Red/Blue squad for the USA when competition begins on Friday. The USA Red team will open play against Mexico at 5 p.m. followed by USA Blue against Vancouver at 6:15 p.m. Friday (all times Pacific Daylight Time). The teams will continue with morning session games at 8 a.m. (USA Red vs. USA Blue) and 9:15 (British Columbia vs. Mexico) before returning for an afternoon session beginning at 1 p.m. (USA Blue vs. Mexico) and 2:16 p.m. (USA Red vs. British Columbia). The evening session features crossover play beginning at 5 p.m. The tournament concludes with classification games on Sunday beginning at 8 a.m.
Selected in February, the men’s U16 team and coach Mike Whitehead return to international competition for the first time since competing in the spring’s International Easter Tournament in Valkenswaard, The Netherlands. The USA team won the consolation bracket title at the tournament. Whitehead and Billie Ahluwalia will serve as coaches for the two USA squads.
Members of the USA U16 Red team include Kenny Armstrong (Moorpark, Calif.), Kevin Barber (Camarillo, Calif.), Jed Cunningham (Moorpark, Calif.), Dean Daily (Westlake, Calif.), Jonathon Ginolfi (Moorpark, Calif.), Grant Mohr (Ventura, Calif.), Jignesh Padhir (Huntington, Calif.), Colin Scally (Thousand Oaks, Calif.), Ryan Shaw (Westlake Village, Calif.), Colin Smith (Moorpark, Calif.),, Ryan Sundeen (Simi Valley, Calif.) and goalkeeper Andrew Zyac (Columbia, Md.).
The USA U16 Blue team includes Derrick Akerman (Moorpark, Calif.), Amrit Ahluwalia (Irvine, Calif.), Sean Fleming (Westlake Village, Calif.), Brian Gose (Camarillo, Calif.), Michael Hawkins (Ventura, Calif.), Asavir Kalla (Cupertino, Calif.), Evan Lucanish (Thousand Oaks, Calif.), Jacob Mahan (Camarillo, Calif.), Evan Munsing (Wyomissing, Pa.), Viren Padhir (Fountain Valley, Calif.), goalkeeper Tyson Reeves (Ventura, Calif.), Kurt Sweitzer (Moorpark, Calif.) and Mathew Thomas (Pleasant Hill, Calif.).
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Question
06-24-2004 11:03 am
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USA team or California state teams?
Why istn't the Blue call the CA state U16 team? The Red team does have one non-CA player, so I guess you call it a USA team!
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look closer
06-24-2004 12:04 pm
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both teams have somone from out of Cali.
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Aswer
06-24-2004 12:11 pm
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if you haven't noticed, he's a goalie who lives on the east coast. Therefore, he's not really a player. Also, the US National team is mostly composed of players from California, especially from the Moorpark area. Maybe the National team should be called the Moorpark California National Team.
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Fizz
06-24-2004 2:12 pm
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team names
after this the teams will be called 3rd and fourth place finishers
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SB13
06-24-2004 2:19 pm
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Aswer....You have got to be joking!
Excuse you Aswer (I think you meant Answer)....a goalie is definitely a player! When was the last time you heard of a team being competitively successful without a goalie for an entire game/season/tournament!
It wouldn't be the sport that we all love if you didn't watch the battle between the forwards or corner team vs. the goalies?? The goalie trying to save the little white or sometimes orange ball from crossing the goal line while the forwards/shooters try to get it there??
A goalie is definitely a PLAYER! It's a very skillful position, one of which many people could never succeed at or fathom success at...and one I fully revere! Your goalie is your last line of defense and for me as a forward your ultimate opponent...how could this individual be nothing but a player!!!
Or are you saying that us East coast hockey folks aren't really players?
Hockey players are hockey players, East or West coast, American or foreign, club or international. Why do you feel it necessary to criticize a certain position or coast if we are all in hockey for the same reasons...because the game calls our name in some way and we each enjoy it in our own ways.
Good luck to all the young men going into this tournament which ever coast you live on, country you play for or position you prefer! Best of luck in your pursuit of the international level of hockey.
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Spicoli
06-24-2004 2:29 pm
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Aswer [/i]
[B]if you haven't noticed, he's a goalie who lives on the east coast. Therefore, he's not really a player. [/B][/QUOTE]
That's a really intelligent thing to say. Goalies are players. Learn to spell your own name before you make more ridiculous statements.
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Ups!
06-24-2004 2:51 pm
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Balance
USA Women National Team = East coast
USA Men National Team = West Coast
no problem!!!
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no lo pongo
06-24-2004 7:11 pm
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just a question
Do you have the names of the mexican players for these tournament?
Thank you
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Peter Munsing
06-24-2004 9:08 pm
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You only slag the ones you love.......
It's great the way everyone pulls for our national team. Or perhaps this is a contest--which US team can the commenters be most dour about! These guys did well in the Netherlands--when they got defeated, it wasn't by much, they did a very creditable job. Fizz(le), I trust they will show you to be wrong. I'd be more worried if I was BC--imagine, if you practice together all the time, with all of their advantages, you have no excuses if you aren't number one. The pressure must be amazing on those poor kids from up north. How would they live with themselves if they don't totally dominate?
Go blue! Go red! And ignore the adults, and all have a good time.
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Can. player
06-25-2004 1:10 pm
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peter munsing
Peter, I'm from BC and the kids that are going down do not play together all the time. They all play on different club teams, plus this isn't the top under 16 players. Some of the top players are unable to make it to the tournament because they have prior commitments. This team was only selected last weekend, so, no they do not practice together all the time. Secondly, what advantages are you talking about?
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Peter Munsing
06-25-2004 10:42 pm
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Re: Can Player
Dear friend from Canada--the advantages I spoke of were what I gather from comments on various threads: supposed advantages of Canada:superior organization, superior player base, etc. --Take a look at the comments here--the implication is that somehow our lads are dross, and there is nothing here that is worth supporting, q.e.d.--as well as other comments. The logical conclusion is that Canada (and everywhere else) really has it together, esepcially Canada. So tell us, what's the real story up there?
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Canadian hype or excuses ..again
06-26-2004 4:22 pm
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Are the kids good from BC are you just making excuses?
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Anon.
06-26-2004 11:57 pm
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Canadian hype?
Of course the BC kids are good. To understand the calibre of BC players you only need to look at the Junior and Senior National teams - the majority of the players are from BC. And I believe it was a BC not an American team that just won the Cal Cup
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Been Around
06-27-2004 1:25 am
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Ventura County U-16 teams
These teams should not be called US national teams. Call them what they are "Ventura County U-16 teams". Don't inflate the players egos.
Stop wasting money sending the U-16 team to Holland every year
when the U-21 team cannot produce. Instead invest the money developing the sport. Hire foreign trainers to develop hockey in different areas. Get Nike to sponsor it. Show some imagination
USFHA management. Don't tell us what can't be done because other countries have figured out a way to develop teams/programs/leagues.
Why doesn;'t the Home Depot Center in Southern CA have an official field hockey field? Why didn't the USFHA make this a priority? We lost the field at Chula Vista the USFHA could have convinced the Home Depot folks to put in a field...
Peter Munsing most Canadian players will tell you that Holland or Germany or Australia is light years ahead in terms of numbers of players, quality of players, infrastructure investment,... Yet the Canadians consistently beat the US. Why? Know how. They know how to play the game. Players go overseas and play in the Australian national league or for Amsterdam and a lot of players who have played for the national team put something back into the sport.
The same cannot be said for the former US players. A few guys like Nigel and the other Islanders in NY put time into the game but they are the exception rather than the rule. And the Canadians work together unlike the US hockey community where there is to much back stabbing.
How did theEgyptians qualify for the Athens Games? They got organized. They were committed. They sent people overseas to learn.
Then they surprised the international hockey world and beat SA in the all african games.
Ventura County has had 25 years of support from the FHAA, the field hockey foundation (which received $1.3 million from the 1984 Olympic foundation), and the USFHA. They have had 3 different national coaches based in Ventura over the past 25 years.
What has this resulted a team which cannot beat the Mexican national team in the Pan Ams. Clearly the return on investment in Ventura is not there and it is time for the USFHA to pick a new area to develop (i.e. spend money on coaches and tours and teams and facilities). Pick NY/NJ or NorCal. Move on to a new area and develop it. And commit to a ten year development program. And get rid of the current managment they took their shot and they have squandered the oppertunities presented by two Olympic Games int he US in the past 20 years. Canada built on their 1976 Olympic experience. The US had the chance twice and blew it. Managment must take responsibility and let a younger generation take over and try something new because what has been going on for the past 25 years clearly has not produced results.
And write to Peter Ueberoth at the USOC and ask him to reinstate the Olympic Festival. If anyone can do it he can. The Titan Games...who cares..lets get minor sports going in this country again?
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Peter Munsing
06-27-2004 7:50 am
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Sounds like the start of two articles
Been around--good comments, and maybe PFH can follow up with detailed and specific articles on 1) How Egypt did it and 2) developing a plan for developing youth field hockey.
However, given the distribution of field hockey players in Canada--most in BC--has Canada really done anything different in terms of geographic diversity?
Do they have any more youth play than we do, or have they just done a better job of getting them ramped upto international play at the over-18 level? Are there youth mens programs in Saskatchewan, Alberta, NWTerritories (Yukon, FtSmith, Kewatin), or the Maritimes? Other than one club in Montreal and those in Toronto, is there active youth mens club play in the rest of Ontario and Quebec? Talking to players from those clubs I don't gather there is.
Point being that Canada's success may not necessarily be due to a significant expansion of the youth (ages 8-17) base, nor any geographic diversity. Might not the Canadian Team be called the BC-Toronto team by the same analysis you apply to the U.S.? Point is I think that youth field hockey and adult field hockey--at least on the mens side--tend to be different worlds in N.America (in Germany, Australia they aren't--clubs have strong youth programs in those countries). Few clubs in the US have youth programs. Many adult men players in the US have no idea whether boys can play in h.s. hockey in their areas, what is going on for boys in their area field hockey wise--pretty much clueless.
Actually, towns where there are significant new immigrant communities--including many in the south--may be easier for development, just because there is a concept that field hockey isn't a "girls " sport. The South because there is little school girls field hockey so that most people don't even think of field hockey--which is good as far as it not being gender labeled.
But back to the main point which was: given all the great training and overseas opportunities you suggest the Canadian youth have, should we not expect BC team to dominate the NAFTA U-16 Tournament?
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Don't read the press or hype ,let just play hockey
06-27-2004 1:00 pm
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you So called adult saying who better should get a grip and use your work towrd making things work....the USFHA staff yes should go but who will remove them? USOC has NO CLUE on what happening in USFHA,if they did they would be DONE!
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been around
06-27-2004 2:13 pm
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Sounds like the start of two articles
http://www.fieldhockey.ca/e/index.cfm
Field Hockey Canada is a much more organized, cohesive organization that maximizes return based on the limited resources that they have. Look at the amount of effort that they put into their AGM and how open the proceedings are.
http://www.fieldhockey.ca/e/administration/meetings/
The have an administrative site:
http://www.fieldhockey.ca/e/administration/index.htm
They have an online store (on big deal...but at least they put the effort into putting one together).
https://mediant.magma.ca/sportsbiz/field_hockey/store/index.cfm
The bottom line is that the infrastructure of US hockey has not been built up over the past 30 years by the FHAA/USFHA management.
The USOC should audit the entire USFHA organization and the programs it runs, fix the problems, and put some professional people in charge with new ideas. Clearly the old ideas have not worked. Clearly the people in charge are doing nothing to address the development of the sport. A completely new approach to develop youth hockey for boys is needed.
Moreover, when boys play the sport because they like it not because they can "make" the "US team" only then will the sport develop.
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Peter Munsing
06-27-2004 5:16 pm
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Omission unintentional
My apologies for omitting the great provinces of Manitoba and Nunavut from the above list. Completely unintentional, I assure you.
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Reality Check
06-27-2004 7:37 pm
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Developing the game
I have made these comments before on several threads, but maybe no one remembers.
In North America there is no tradition of youth field hockey in most locations, Vancouver probably being the exception.
To develop the game (particularly for boys/men) several things are essential, including:
(i) Favorable weather - forget the Yukon; in fact forget most locations except the coasts.
The weather not only affects when you can play, but which sports you are competing with when recruiting juniors. With a short outdoor season, all sports compete for players and fields together. Pick a season with the least competition - for example, compete with baseball, not soccer, then recruit from the soccer teams.
(ii) A reasonable population base - forget the prairies.
(iii) Some enthusiastic adult players who are prepared to invest many frustrating hours to get a junior program going.
(iii) A junior development plan, starting with young players, at most 10 years old for boys, slightly older will work for girls. Don't try to start at under 16 - your chances of success are small.
(v) A recruiting plan, utilizing schools, community centers, soccer teams, etc.
(iv) A club structure that includes training older junior players as coaches for the younger teams.
(vi) A development plan that includes the right game structure and skill level for each age group.
These are listed in roughly the order of importance. There's no use looking at the bottom of the list if you can't satisfy those at the top.
Hope this helps someone.
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Peter Munsing
06-28-2004 7:42 am
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Starting to look like a plan....
While I may have a few disagreements with specifics, the tone of the comments is great--specific, positive ideas (as opposed to the unfortunately common "you stink, US Hockey stinks, vent, vent, vent).
So, now we are getting somewhere how about a few shadings and detail. Reality and Been there--how would you go about implementing things. Let's say Peter Uberoth does and audit. What next? If either of you werer head of USFHA and given a pliant board, what would you do next? (Assume funding for the immediate future neither increases nor decreases; certainly put in your plan fund raising but don't count on it for your plan).
A couple of observations. Been There, you suggest players get experience but then say we shouldn't have sent the team to Holland.
Not sure that isn't contradictory. How elese will these guys know what level to aspire to? You also imply they are playing only because they can make the team, not because they enjoy it. Not sure how it is on the West Coast, but I can assure you on the east coast they wouldn't play unless they loved the game. The heat they get at school for playing a "girls" game and playing in a skirt is way too much humiliation for any dilletante.
Going overseas is a good idea. For those interested, besides summer camps in Holland one great camp is run, quite reasonably priced, by the DHB, Deutscher Hockey Bund, the German national organization. (However, given cost of transportation, I'd note that it's not a tool for development in general unless someone can fund the trip for the player whose family is of modest means--but by booking ahead a flight of 440 or so can be had from the east coast, not outside the realm; DHB camp costs 330 a week; Dutch cost more).
For the student willing to spend a year overseas, Rotary International is great, but understand that for them Hockey is secondary and they won't necessarily place you in a town with a good club, let alone in a country with good hockey. Stray outside the established plans and there may youth protection type issues if you do the overseas stay & play bit as a national organization.
As far as playing clubs overseas, the only problem is that most European clubs shut down for the summer by the end of the school year. For Germany this means by July 18-22. We are trying to get in touch with clubs in India, with little success.
This points out another logistical problem--just trying to contact clubs isn't too easy. So one step would be some type of referral program.
The clubs that are in full swing in the summer are in the southern
hemisphere--Argentina, S. Africa, NZ, Australia. However, even here,
besides getting club contacts, you are looking at some very significant
travel costs--1500 and up. Also, their clubs are going to have mixed feelings about playing a person who's essentially a drop in and not playing one of the players already in the club's own pipeline. (The well organized foreign club is thinking player development, not just winning).
I'm not saying it can't be done--my son is playing with a club in Germany that's been kind enough to take him in. I'm just saying it's not as easy as just making contact, and if we want the sport to eventually have a broad economic (and racial) base, then costs that bar low income families have to be considered.
As to the national festival idea, would that really help youth players (ages 10-18) or was it merely a nice catalyst for older players, especially those recruited from lacrosse or other sports?
I'd like to add to the mix a couple of suggestions. For starters, in our mobile society, some type of national bulletin board broken down by regions would be useful. Let's say you, a male player, moves to Fargo N.D. No club on the USFHA list. How do you make contact with other hockey players? With a bulletin board you could say "I'm here." Similarly, it would let those looking for some coaching get together with someone who could perhaps provide some skill mentoring in the absence of a club.
It might be good to have some regional skills clinics to increase the level of club play. Perhaps in conjunction with a tournament that gets travel teams such as the JFK or Big Apple on the East coast.
Reality check--for the younger players, how many times a week do clubs in BC meet? How do you deal with transportation problems in semi rural areas /areas of exurban sprawl(i.e. overcome mom and dad's resistance to travel 40 minutes each way for a non-mainstream sport)? For areas with bad weather, is indoor an option? Sure, it's not as good, but otherwise don't you end up with a predominantly west coast, not national team? Don't they have summers in Manitoba,
Alberta and elsewhere? Does it have to be a fall sport? How does it work outside of BC, or doesn't it?
So let's get on with the road map.
And in the meantime, let's not dump on the U-16's. They get little peer respect or community recognition, so it'd be a shame if their own sport treats them as if they were less than worthy. Many of them are litterally fighting for their sport, and thus sacrificing more than many adult club players--or PFH commenters. Work for change, definitely, but let's not dump on the few youth in the sport. Look around--there aren't that many that the sport can afford to lose the few it has.
So on to the roadmap.....
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Educator
06-28-2004 11:29 am
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Peter Munsing
Problem with american hockey is ignorance. The average americans knowledge of geography confirms this. Nunuvut is not a province!
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hockey fan
06-28-2004 12:46 pm
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i know this doesn't deal with this topic, but the Summer League thread is towards the bottom, and I don't think anyone is reading it anymore. I just wanted to ask for highlights from anybody that saw this past weekend's summer league games. Looks like Charm and Jr. Nat'l team were dominant. Kelly Dostal scored 11 goals over the weekend??? She is incredible at the forward line. Who were the big time players for the Charm and Jr. Nat'l Team? Who was playing D for the Jr. Nat'l Team?
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Peter Munsing
06-28-2004 7:28 pm
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My bad...
I am sorry if I offended any Nunuvut residents or others by calling it a province. However, as long as educator raised the issue, what's going on hockey wise in Nunuvut? On to positive comments (I hope) dealing with the topic at issue (and not the Summer League).
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Rudi
06-28-2004 8:21 pm
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Results?
so what happened at the Under 16 Tournament? the first day results got posted and then nothing for the next two days---did the USA correspondent not want to post losing results or what?
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Fizz
06-29-2004 3:18 pm
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Pete Muns
Are you taking a poke at Nunavut?
If you can find a map you will see that it is a terrtory spanning the eastern arctic. There might be 30 000 people living there.
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J.A.
06-29-2004 9:13 pm
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Springtime is for lax-ers
not just competing w/baseball now. lacrosse will take over the Spring season before long. and for one reason only: it's not a "girl's sport". nice going, USFHA.
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Balmoral
07-08-2004 1:23 pm
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JA said something here.
Friends, what is US Lacrosse doing that the USFHA is not doing?
--The staff is 2 1/2 times larger in Balto. than in Colo. Springs.
--Grants are routine seedlings for the game in places like Utah, Florida, and Georgia.
--The teams are the best in the world and do not settle for less.
--Teams, that is, male AND female.
--People in the game of lacrosse pass down stories of past history whilst field hockey ignores history
--The Lacrosse Hall of Fame has donors, sculpture, films, and artifacts whilst the Field Hockey Hall of Fame is a bunch of boxes and an idea
_________________________
As Deep Throat said 30 years ago, "Follow the money."
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Concentracion nacional Femenina
08-11-2004 9:19 am
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Polèmica
Como es posible que las chicas de Sonora no puedan venir a la concentracion?
serà por que se piensan seguras en la seleccion del Sr. Hugo Aguilera?
El dinero es el pretexto (me platicaron que si han juntado) si en la olimpiada fueron se vieron bien(aunque crecidas) quedaron en 3ero. y por que no vienen a la concentraciòn?
a mi se me hace que se les subio, o si no que demuestren lo contrario?
adios
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Agregando
08-20-2004 7:38 pm
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Mas
Lo peor es que muchas ya estan seguras, preo que se preparen porque si no traen un buen lugar del pana juvenil ohora si sevilla se va a enojar, que al contrario de los hombres parece que tienen una muy buena base de juveniles...
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Asi es
08-21-2004 10:55 am
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y luego
Pues algo deberia de ser Hugo por qu eneta que las chyavas de Sonora empezaron chido, pero ya se les subio la kk a la cabeza y se sienten, ya me caen mejor las de jalisco con eso digo todo.
Yneta que pobre hugo mejor hubiera de jalar mas de otros estados para que aprendan las de sonora.
y del panam Jr. pues si hugo no las diciplina va hacer otra pachanga
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tu crees???
08-22-2004 6:12 pm
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mira en primer lugar las chavas no tienen por ke demostrar nada a nadie...cadakien sabe lo ke tiene, yo las conosco la eh tratato en los torneos ke an asistido y son muy sencillas eso de ke se les haya subido por favor se nota que nada mas hablas por envidia o por lo que sea...seria mejor hablar conociendolas noo crees??...aparte ellas viven a 30hrs de las concentraciones...no como la mayoria de las jugadoras ke tiene de diferencia 6 hr...no es lo mismo pagarse su propio pasajea a ke las apoyen...y si es que juntan creo ke eso es dinero de todos los integrantes de la asociacion no nomas de los seleccionados...sigan hechandole ganas chavas....ustedes saben lo que tienen....
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Peter Munsing
08-31-2004 10:37 pm
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Pride on the shelf--where do we go from here.....
OK, the Australians--who's population distribution is far from even--have shown us that you don't have to be densely populated to have a great program(me). The Dutch, densly populated but small have shown that you don't have to have a large population.
Clearly, access to artificial turf pitches is a big issue. The countries where things are happening not only have strong clubs, but the clubs have decent pitches accessible to them.
US clubs are the last fish on the food chain, and have but one or two practice opportunities per week. College clubs need to publicize their activities to communities. What else can we do? (I am assuming a parallel universe to the national organization--we've debated at length those problems and we won't solve them, so lets look at local solutions that don't require the deus ex machina of a well funded national organization)--
On Lacrosse--like rugby, it grew organically then became a blip on the horizon of the indoor sports centers who began promoting it. While fh is featured at many sports centers it is still segregated at the youth level, and young men are in a catch 22--they can't play on many youth teams and aren't allowed to play on adult teams until they are 18.
The interesting question is why 1)stick and equipment manufacturers cant or won't promote the sport in this country as a coed or sport for both men and women (check out most websites--they feature women only). Considering the growth market would be men, this suggests a concern of not doing anything that might be unpopular. 2)Why lacrosse players can organize as clubs and in large cities like Philadelphia, Chicago, and elswehre there are few active clubs that are not for-the-tournament-only-clubs-in-name-only? (it's not just the indoor activity--rugby has never developed that way int he US but yet is far more successful than fh.)
These are observations of the US--what is it like in Canada (lacrosse growth vs fh?)?
Fiz--I was not being sarcastic about that province. They are a province, and I was curious as to whether or not fh was played up there--i.e. was it being carried by the Canadian organization to each province or only in Ontario and BC? (In the US we have ea number of states where there is no field hockey at all--mens or womens).
So, if we can put nationalism aside, what can we do in this hemisphere to grow?
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Ryan Shaw
10-19-2004 9:26 pm
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We beat Canada two times now
We beat the four nations BC team and the three teams in Canada so stop whining we are doing better than Canada and besides it is a National team so anyone from anywhere can be on it it is just the reason that Moorpark has a men's league and so are best players are from there because of that field and league soit remains there .
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player
11-06-2004 3:07 am
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canada vs. usa
the teams you played you in canada recently where club teams which, obviously, could not compete with a US national team. The team in the four nations tournament had been notified of the trip 5 days earlier and had never played before;this was also, not an 'A' team. there were many players who had prior commitments therefor could not go.
I'm not saying the USA team wasnt good, but i would like to see how you would reply after the full 'A' team played against you, then there would be a different thing to talk about.
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02-02-2005 12:25 am
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the usa u16 team could probabally take on the canadian u16 "A" team. 4or 5 of the u16 players have been moved to the u20 squad...each having key roles in the game..also, Mike Whitehead has been training these kids for over a year now, they train every week unlike past usa u16 teams who trained twice in year
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