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appeal
03-01-2004 3:43 pm
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that appeal will hopefully fail, for the sake of hockey and countires like Belgium and Canada. Imagine having to wait another month or two after finishing 7th to find out if you were olympic bound. Greece why do you insist on ruining the games?
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Greek Supporters
03-01-2004 4:20 pm
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Stop shouting at the Greeks, they did not start this, it is the FIH and assume you are either a Belgian or a Canadian. I hope the Greeks will Win the ruling and rub the paste on FIH faces.
FIH wanted the Greeks to pay too host the tournament in their Country but do not want the host at the Party, grow up whoever you are.
Please reply and tell me if you hold a party at your house, do you have to invite yourself, so why should Greeks have to Qualify. It is FIH who did this and I hope CAS will back Greeks.
Good Luck Greece and pray that ther ruling will be in your favour.
PS: those who will think I am Greek, think again, I am English and just want fair play.
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Curious fan
03-01-2004 4:23 pm
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I think Greece has good chances to be on the OG. The host of the Olympic Games has the right to participate of all olympic sports.
Surely, there will be only 6 places on the Olympic Qualyfier. Greece will play hockey on the OG.
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yen
03-01-2004 8:07 pm
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Greek Supporters
i agree with u.
how about supporting indian womens hockey team n taking stay order on womens qualifiers.
indian team is ranked 13th , well above russia 17th, urkrain , n ireland.
lets be fair
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A. Nother
03-01-2004 10:07 pm
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Why wait until now???
I don't have a problem with Greece appealing, but they were given several years notice that they would have to qualify, and they wait until now to appeal the process....? Regardless of the validity of the Greek appeal, it is poor sportsmanship, and equally unfair to the countries which are now attempting to qualify....
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Smiler
03-02-2004 1:07 am
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The President of the IOC, Mr Rogge, last week ordered the Hellenic Olympic National Committee to hurry up with their preparations for the Games as they are so far behind schedule. This belated appeal in the matter of the Hockey qualification is another example of a lack of preparation.
I agree with A Nother. All countries in the world would have a great deal more respect for the Greeks if they had put in their appeal to CAS as soon as they were told they would have to qualify with their Men's and WOMENS Teams..
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yen
03-02-2004 2:41 am
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fair or unfair
A. Nother
pls give a thought to indian womens hockey team , inspite of ranking 13th , FIH has allowed russia 17th , ireland and urkrain.
tell me.
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honesty
03-02-2004 4:09 am
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appeal
The greeks have been trying to get the ear of the FIH for years. They have constantly come up against criticism and prejudice which is quite apparent in the latest editorial from the fih in the magazine.
The Greeks did everything possible to avoid going to an official arbitration process. I guess the FIH thought they could continue to bully the Greeks and get away with it.
The FIH still has the option to allow the Greeks to participate. They can make an announcement now and be done with it, or they can wait for the inevitable, and have egg on their face for years to come.
If I was the coach of the 7th placed team, i would be very annoyed with the FIH, and not with Greece.
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Greek Supporter
03-02-2004 4:26 am
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Yen
India will not be invited to take in the OQ since the sport is dominated by your scratch my back and i will do yours so sorry about this state of affairs.
GB got selected on England back but then India beat them at Commonwealth Games, ask FIOH GB comes into records every Four Years and yet they play the OQ. Understand this and you will understand the policy of FIH.
As some people have stated, you Asians have to get the correct balance on the FIH board before these things will change.
All I can Hoard Luck for the moment though cannot see how Irish made it they have abad record but then they are always well supported by EHF.
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yen
03-02-2004 5:58 am
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GREEK SUPPORTER
THANKS MY FRIEND.
WHAT AMESS.
THEY SOULD HAVE ALLOWED GREEKS TO PLAY AS A HOST.
ITALY DID PLAY CT QUAFILIER WHAN THEY HOSTED WOMENS QUALIFIER.
I AM SURE GREEKS CAN BEAT ITALY IN WOMENS HOCKY.
IF THEY HAD MADE MENS - 16 TEAMS AND WOMENS 12 , I GUESS EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY.
BUT THEN WHO WANTS TO PROMOTE HOCKEY ????FIH??? NO WAY ???
THEY HAVE 16 TEAMS IN FOOTBALL , AND HISTORY SAYS HOCKEY IN OLY IS 100 YEARS OLD.
THEN WHY KILL HOCKEY
I HOPE GREEKS PLAY IN OLY 2004 AS HOST.
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Blabla
03-02-2004 7:48 am
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Comparison with soccer
The comparison with soccer is inappropriate: they have 16 teams on the men's side (only 12 in hockey) but only 8 on the women's side (10 in hockey).
So the overall difference is not that large, and probably adequate comparatively to the overall world audience and participation of the two sports.
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Hpy
03-02-2004 8:02 am
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Hosting the party
To Greek Supporter and the comparison with hosting a party:
Let’s say that you regularly host parties that are so exciting that a lot of people are hoping to be invited. At the last minute, a relative who has never bothered to visit you (and probably won’t care to visit you again after the festivities) insist that one of the guests be kicked out to make room for him. Will you give him priority because, as “family”, he has the “right” to be there, or will you prefer to entertain your faithful friend who has rejoiced and prepared for a while to be there?
I know I would turn to my friend. Of course, it would be completely different if the relative had expressed interest long before the party and made clear efforts to bridge the gap between us.
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Tom
03-02-2004 8:55 am
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What an ugly mess this has become. Just wondering what sort of action the eventual 7th placed team might take, having also been promised a place at the olympics. You'd almost say in order to save a bit of hassle make the tournament 14 teams (two groups of 7) but I suppose then teams will start crying about the number of fixtures or the number of games won't fit into the schedule.
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DareDevil
03-02-2004 9:06 am
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Who to blame?
It looks like everyone thinks Greece is the bad country trying to ruin hockey and I think u are very very wrong with this position. FIH could have made things clear much earlier if they just would have listened to one of Greece´s appeals. But they closed their eyes and ears and now are stunned. I agree that the 7th ranked nation has very right to be very pissed but at whom? At the one who made false promises and played a tricky and dirty game right from the beginning. Shame on FIH who again showed their incompetence concerning the balance in world hockey and dealing with hot topics...
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sree
03-02-2004 9:08 am
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Think this,
Think this,
Current Afro-Asian Women's Field hockey Champ,
Current Commonwealth Women's Field hockey Champ,
Current Asian Women's Field hockey Champ
---Still not allowed to participate in the OQ !!!
---Are these people are supports of good hockey ??
---Poor indian Women
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Greek Supporter
03-02-2004 10:28 am
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sree
You thought all the right things but not the colour. Keep Thinking and Indian Ladies do not fit in this party,
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Rhino
03-02-2004 11:00 am
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To greek supporters
Up to now, I don't think that the teams are "invited" by Greece to partcipate to the Olympics games. No they qualified for the olympic games which are organized this year in a part of the sport world named greece. I don't know if at the time of Antique Olympics Games the inhabitants of Olympia wre automatically qualified ? And if you compare the games to a party, most of the time the man who receive the guest is at the middle of the table. So give directly the gold medals to the players of the host-country that will solve the problem and the others will play for the silver. And I think that the non qualification of the indian woman team is more unfair.
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Josepo
03-02-2004 3:56 pm
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Why Greece HF complained until now and not from the start of the whole qualifiying process?
Too bad they cannot host like any other host. They should have complained right at the beggining! Lousy management in the Greek HF! Now, at the last minute, they go to lawyers!
Points of view:
Olympic spirit (host): Let them play
Sport fairness: Sorry, just watch
Sport management: Sorry, too late
Sport future in Greece: Flip a coin (if they play the GreekFH will be disbanded for the national embarrassment: end of hockey in Greece. If they don't play they'll loose the greastest boost of all to grow and develop).
Their fate will be decided by lawyers... what a shame!
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Loyal and mutured.
03-04-2004 6:35 pm
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CAS respectfull decision.
It is about to end these hysterics.....
Be reasonable Ladies and Gentlemen, after all it is a "gentlemens game"..............
CAS will decide taking consideration under a wide angle vew.
There decision will be based on several aspects.
We are sure that these people will not be happy to throw the first handful of soil on the grave of Greek hockey, a grave that was opened by the shovels of many interests.
They will not be happy to see, because of a negative decision, the so called legacy of the OGs, the pitches l mean, to become beautiful gardens with grass, not artificial of course, the hockey sticks to be used as poles for the fench and the balls, white round souvenirs of the "glorious" past....
The fact is that the Team is in a competitive level now, to any honest observer and has gained deservingly its position in the Olympic Games.
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Doubtful
03-09-2004 2:38 am
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What future?
My friend "Loyal and mutured" gives a colourful picture of the possible demise of Greek hockey if the team is absent form the Olympics. He should emphasize that he is talking about the international men's team, because that is really all that exists as far as Greek hockey is concerned. Where are these pitches? All the national league games that have ever taken place were on one pitch in Athens. And of course there has been no league so far this season. I think somebody in another thread called that a temporary disruption to the programme. Perhaps he or she forgot that last year we had the biggest shambles that haw ever been called a nationl league in any country. We played nothing in the winter, then everything in late spring/early summer, when the weather was too hot at midday (but we had to play then because of the one pitch) and most of the younger players were busy with exams. Many matches were forfetied, hardly any matches were played 11-a side and I saw teams going on the field with only 6 or 7 players. In the end, I think 4 or 5 women's teams appear in the final table and 6 or 7 men's. The Hellenic Federation's website may claim there are 58 clubs all over the cpuntry, but where are their teams?
The FIH made Greek qualify not because Greece was a minor hockey-playing nation but because Greece was not a hockey-playing nation at all. It still isn't.
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Greek player
03-11-2004 4:52 pm
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To Doubtful
Don't pay much attention to what our federation says(yes,there are 58 clubs in the country but there are no hockey coaches or somebody to promote the sport so they try their best but noone's here to help us) they don't even know what hockey is.Just think that all the players here in Greece are trying their very best to play hockey and they've manged a lot just by them selves 'coz the federation isn't really anywhere round here to help.We buy videotapes through internet to see hockey matches and learn some moves!We don't really expect much 'coz we are not at the same level as other teams but it is a discrase for the sport and for the Greek team not to play,it will show to this kids that all their money(they spented money from their own pockets) and efforts(losing school classes,being tired from daily practises or just not being able to see their own family for a month or two) wasn't really worth it because some £$@^$!£ from the FIH don't really care about the sport and these guys,isn't that a pitty?
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2 gr player
03-12-2004 9:29 am
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ur 100% rite. U deserve it even if other malakas even frm greece talking shi%t big up to pillip fudas and george budas
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RHINO
03-12-2004 1:43 pm
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To greek player
You must know "greek player" that what you describe is the burden of everyone who wants to play hockey in Greece, and not only the ones of the national team who have the chance to have a coach and to be paid or compensated for the time they spend to practice their sport. You're right the federation does not seem very "professional", but don't you think it should be better for the national team to play in a group of their level, instead of going to the court for stealing the place of the 7th of the Madrid Tournament and to be slashed during the games before going back to the desert in 2005 ?
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unbiased fan
03-12-2004 6:55 pm
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I would like to recommend that Greece speak to the IOC and ask that they host 12 teams at the Olympics. Greece would be one of the teams and the team that qualifies 6th in New Zealand for the women and the last team not to qualifiy for the men would be the other. It is easy and solves all questions. The Greeks will have little extra expense and all should be resolved both for me I'm sure the IOC can see it's way clear to make an exception since it is a major anniversary in the "original" host country.
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RHINO
03-13-2004 11:16 am
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To Doubtfull
What you say is completly true, Doubtfull. I will just add that I saw a proposal of the federation proposing to shorten the length of the matches to be played in summer... And the Olympic games are in August !!!
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ZEUS
03-26-2004 1:38 am
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To Rhino, Doubtfull and the rest of their likes
Let me understand this. You are obviously Greeks and your arguments are pointing to the fact that if Greece has no presence in the OG it will assist the development? I do not get it. But I am not expecting much from negative thinkers. I have read almost most of your threads inthis forum. They are stereotype and one sided. If you cannot support this cause then I dont think that you can be of any help to Greek hockey in the future either. Negative thinkers are good for nothing, produce nothing,are critical about everything and anything and yet nowhere to be accountable for achievements or failures even. Good luck Gents, the Greek hockey does not need you if you can only be good in this role.
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Rhino
03-26-2004 12:40 pm
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To Zeus
I am not negativ thinker, I think that in sport, everybody must have an equal chance, and that the olympics games are a momentum where the nationalities should not be a reason for qualification. If Greece wants to host the future european championship of hockey ( group C), I will support it because we will have more stadiums and so all the players in Grecce will have more opportunities to play
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Doubtful
03-30-2004 10:18 pm
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To Zeus
No hockey is played in Greece. That is a negative fact, not negative thinking.
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