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February 16, 2004
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Will they or won?t they? The question of Greece taking part in their Games has caused considerable controversy.
Mark Grant takes an in depth look at the situation.
In internet chat rooms around the world one of the main topics of conversation has been the possible qualifiers for the forthcoming Olympics and, more specifically, the role to be played by the host nation Greece.
Now it really depends on which side of the fence you wish to lay your hockey stick on this one but from one half there have been howls of derision that the Greeks have been treated abysmally yet the other can see no problem with the situation.
The 'situation' is the fact that, for the first time in Olympic hockey history, the hosts are required to pre-qualify by meeting standards on the field rather than receiving the green light to participate merely because they are holding the event. That is because the nation has no lineage in the sport and offering them a place at the expense of a more established country risks greater embarrassment in the tournament proper.
However, for Greece there is not the torturous route of the Olympic qualifying competition, as most other countries have to face. All their teams have to do is beat the lowest-ranked opposition in the said qualifiers in a three-leg play-off. Success would guarantee them a place at Athens 2004 in August.
It is a fallacy that the hosts automatically qualify to play in their own Games. The only nations who were gifted a place were the defending gold medallists but, from these Olympics onwards, even that right has been taken away now and so every country has to pass some kind of test.
The only nations so far guaranteed a place at Athens in August are the most recent winners of their respective continental championships. Therefore, on the men's side there is Germany (European Nations Cup), Korea (Asian Games), Argentina (Pan-American Games), Australia (Oceania Cup) and Egypt (All Africa Games); on the women's the countries are Netherlands (European Nations Cup), China (Asian Games), Argentina (Pan-American Games), Australia (Oceania Cup) and South Africa (All Africa Games).
Dennis Meredith, International Hockey Federation events manager, explained; " The qualification process, based upon the rankings from the previous World Cup and World Cup Qualifier rankings, has not changed since it was first introduced when the first Olympic qualifiers were played in 1991."
" The Olympic Games was awarded to Athens in 1997. In this particular case hockey in Greece was not developed and there was very limited activity of the Greek national teams over a 5 year period. Because of this in 2001 the FIH, in consultation with the IOC, put a certain qualifying standard on the Greek teams and that was a two-stage process. If they had qualified for the last 12 of the European Nations Cup in 2003 they would have automatically qualified [for the Olympics]. Otherwise they had to play the lowest-ranked team that participated at the Olympic qualifiers.
"The situation has not arisen before because fortunately previous hosts at least had played in the qualifiers or final tournaments of their continental championships.
"There has been criticism of the USA [playing in Olympics in 1984 and 1996] but they qualified for the Pan-American Games (4th in 1983 and 3rd in 1995), whereas Greece did not qualify for the European Nations Cup.
"The IOC Charter does not provide the host country with the automatic right to participate. The qualifying criteria is established by the FIH and submitted to the IOC for approval.
With this in mind, Greece?s men - ranked 50th in the world list of 69 nations, behind teams such as Venezuela, Gibraltar and Namibia - will play Canada in a best-of-three series from 18-21 February in Madrid, Spain just before the Olympic qualifier also in Madrid from March 2 to 13.
The women, 47th out of 55 countries, behind teams such as Hong Kong, Czech Republic and Puerto Rico, are scheduled to take on Russia from 11-14 March in Auckland, New Zealand immediately before the women's Olympic qualifier
A victory for Greece would reduce the number of qualifiers from the men's and women's events from seven to six and five to four respectively as there are only a total of 12 Olympic Games places for the men and 10 for the women.
The teams competing in the Olympic qualifiers have been decided by their rankings after the last World Cups and World Cup Qualifiers.
For the men, defending Olympic champions Netherlands, Great Britain, Spain, Japan, South Africa and Poland have been drawn in Pool A with Pakistan, India, Malaysia, New Zealand, Belgium and Canada in Pool B. Canada benefited from Cuba's late withdrawal.
In the women's event, Great Britain, Germany, New Zealand, Ireland and Ukraine are in Pool A, with Korea, Spain, USA, Japan and Russia in Pool B.
In terms of the venue in Athens, some of the facilities at the new Helliniko Hockey Centre were successfully put to the test at the four-nation Athens International tournament, an Olympic test event, which was won by Spain (men) and South Africa (women). Greece?s women, interestingly, did not take part whereas its men finished last after conceding 25 goals in four matches and scoring none.
"It was a bit like one big building site but the pitch is impressive and the Greeks are trying very hard," said Great Britain coach Tricia Heberle.
"There is not a lot of infrastructure or landscaping done but there is a lot of construction taking place and I'm sure it will all be ready in time."
The question remains; will the host nation be there to enjoy it?

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Dave
02-17-2004 5:55 am
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It has been tradition in other sporting events that the host nation fields a team regardless of how accustomed they are to playing that particular sport. This hasn't been the case with hockey in the past and probably rightly so.
The Greeks can put out token sides which will most likely get thrashed in every game. Is this what the host nation wants? also, other teams (like the Indian womens team) will feel aggreived because a country with little or no interest in hockey like Greece (they haven't even got adequate hockey facilities ready for the games yet!) will be allowed to just go through the motions of the most important event in World Hockey at the expense of seasoned hockey nations.
The Greeks aren't to blame for this though, the FIH have made it their recent trademark to make a balls-up of everything. The FIH are going to kill the game. Period.
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Soofy
02-17-2004 6:27 am
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Dave is obviously on some heavy pharmaceuticals. Greece are a far superior side than Canada and deserve there place at Athens. Cedric has got the them primed and ready to rock Dave.
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signal di plane
02-17-2004 6:35 am
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ok the rankings are up to .... i know how i would feel if i had to qualify for my own olympics. Nice example with the usa in the pan american games. i think european teams are a bit stronger though and this arguement that america qualified for pan americans and greece didnt ,seems like it was esablished after the event. In fact 2 min ago to counter the arguement that america were given direct entry.....nice try though... too people that dont know the time line of actual events this may sound convincing. Greece good luck ill be rooting for you guys
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Bill
02-17-2004 6:46 am
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Soofy
I think it is you on drugs or you are completely insane.
Canada will put 5 or 6 past Greece in each game without reply, just as all the others did in the most recent tournament
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Rudi
02-17-2004 9:52 am
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India Women
I still need to have some learned person person explain to me why the field for the Olympic Men's competition calls for 12 teams and the Women's field only gets 10 teams......also why the winners of the Women's Commonwealth Games aren't rated high enough to compete in the qualifier...I am talking of the India Women of course.
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Prediction
02-17-2004 10:20 am
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Can v Greece
Canada will win the series in two games but the score will not be lopsided in both games. Canada will win by one or two goals in each game. Canada will not have their strongest lineup and their PC is not scoring as shown in SA. Greece actually has a chance to win a game but not the series.
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Pusher
02-17-2004 10:26 am
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Soofy and Bill
if either of you guys is not on drugs then you should start.......
Canada will pound Greece by double digits in at least one game
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Konstantinopolitis
02-17-2004 10:55 am
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FIh Policy
The FIh Policy is becoming more and more Dutch Policy. They want Hockey to become and elite sport played by only a few countries and FIH can decide who is in and who is out. I had the oppurtunity to see some officials in Athens at a meeting, nice to see where our money goes - to some grandfathers/mothers who actually are not interested in helping the sport but in strengthening their own position.
Why is hockey the only sport in the Olympics where athletes donīt get paid (when playing in their eague)? What did FIh do to bring Hockey on TV or to support developing nations? Sending this alcoholic joker Bovelander?
by the way I am sure 100% sure that Canada will not put 5 or 6 goals in against Greece - bet?
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Josep
02-17-2004 2:31 pm
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It's simply decency
Look what happened to Dominican Republic in the last Panam games they hosted. They were plummeted 20, 22, 25-nil! Everybody make comment here in this web site about the humiliation the hosts must had felt because of that and the damage that does to the sport in a country with such a small hockey community.
Let them play, let they die in humiliation.
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Re: Josep
02-17-2004 3:56 pm
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good point
Good point about the Dominicans..... not only were they demoralized after each match.... they also disrupted the point differentials for their respective pool.
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Ausmate
02-17-2004 4:04 pm
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It is always going to be disappointing not to see the host nation compete at their own Olympics, but it would be far worse for Greece & moreover the sport of hockey to see them being throughly defeated by countries far more superior - hockey has a hard enough time getting decent exposure; TV or otherwise at the best of times. But if Greece qualifies, then congratulations & we'll see at the Olympics.
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Hellinas
02-17-2004 5:41 pm
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Thx for your support guys!
Thx to all you guys caring for us Greeks so much!! Thank you for wishing us the ebst that we will not make it to the games because it would be sooo humiliating! FIH is only concerned about us Greeks - they want to help us not getting embarrased...i donīt know how to thank them. No....we Greek do not want to participate in the Olympic Games if the score is to high against us - and of course it will be like that, there re only superior teams there like Egypt (4-2 against Greece one month ago).
Great to see how people care about Greek hockey!!!
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JEEPERS CREEPERS
02-17-2004 11:48 pm
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TO PUSHER
Pal , dont think so canada will beat greece by double digit figure! if u referring to 01 as double digit then there is a possibility ............
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Is good enough really the issue
02-18-2004 6:32 am
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Is good enough really the issue, or has the politics of sport really emerged as the issue here.
What is the Olympics all about, I thought it ws a celebration of sport, the taking part and not the winning. Ah you say a dreamer, well if this is not the case then why do we see competitors in swimming events who cannot even swim and athletes who take an hour to complete 10,000m. It is because their countries have the right to be represented and I would say that this should have been extended to Greece in the case of field hockey.
Good enough, humiliation etc should not be the criteria on which Grece is judged these are isues for them to consider they should simply be afforded the opertunity, as hosts, to compete in their own games should they wish.
The FIH could have sorted this out but as we all know they are not the best at sorting things out and they too have their public image to consider. I remeber well travelling Trinidad in 1995 for a World Cup Qualifier where the host nation was woefully ill-equipped to run such an event and where nations such as the hosts, Jamaica and Cuba took some heavy defeats. It was ok then for the host nation and the other to be catapulted well above their true world ranking as it was seen, or sorry sold as developing the sport. I have the distinct feeling that if the FIH had thought for a moment that this event would have received mass paublic audiences there is no way it would ever have been in Trinidad.
So can we please establish some common ground rules, The World Champs are for the best in the world and the Olympics has a different ethos and a more open approach to competitor qualification. If not then how far away are we from seeing a mens 100m final contested by 7 americans and one token european or other continental representaive as this probably truely reflects the balance of prowess in this event.
I am not Greek, in fact I've never even been there, but I for one say that the decision to compete should be theirs and that the FIH, IOC and other medlers should put away their politics and concentrate on where their next junket will be to.
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The Judge
02-18-2004 6:50 am
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The Inside Story
While Mark has tried hard to offer an objective view of the situation there are a few details which have been conveniently forgotten by some of the people quoted.
1) Hockey is the ONLY sport where the world governing body have gone to the IOC to ask for them to qualify. The FIH have had since 1997 to ensure that development took place. In that time they have allocated Olympic money to build between 8 and 10 synthetic pitches aroudn the world. Would it not have been the action of a 'caring' governing body to put one down in Greece immediately to help the sport? The FIH have a list of over 100 FIH coaches of all levels, could they not have appointed and supported a coach to be in Greece since the Olympics were awarded and taken the opportunity to develop the host country rather than find a way to cut them out?
Is there any other situation where a contract (to host the Olympics) has been awarded and then one party changes the rules with two years of the event?
Australia were able to host sports where their team lost by similarly high scores as are being quoted for matches against Greek hockey. There was no hue and cry at that time. I have no problem if the Olympic Games are to be only for the elite BUT it must be for all sports at the same time AND before the games are awarded. You cannot change the goalposts in the middle of the game!
2) The Hellenic Hockey Federation never agreed to the qualification process. They always said that they should play as hosts. FIH said "but if you did have to qualify which of these options would you take?" The HHF continued to stress that they should have a right to play but eventually when pushed said that in the event of being made to qualify they would choose to play the series against the 12th (I think) ranked team in the world. FIH then took this to IOC and told them that "the Hellenic Hockey Federation had agreed this as their qualifying process" which the IOC passed.
I was present when a member of the FIH Executive, on being asked why the Greeks should be the first country to ever qualify as hosts, told the HHF representatives that the USA had to qualify for the Atlanta Olympic Games!!!!! This seems to differ somewhat from the quotes from Dennis Meredith.
I agree with what Dennis says however that to a certain extent the Greek Federation has not shown itself to be as eager to develop as might have been expected. However they have over the last three years worked hard to improve the quality of their athletes and their sport. We all must remember that many of the home-based greeks have not been playing hockey since they were 6 or 7 like the Dutch. Some of them have only been playing for 3-4 years and only two of them on a proper full size synthetic pitch. In the European Qualifiers in Dublin neither the Greek men or women were in last place which everyon expected. The men lost 10-0 to Wales who lost in the next qualifier stage. In the test event last week they lost 5-0 to Belgium who finished 6th and stay in the 'A' division
Are we so worried about our sport that we want to deny people the right to represent their country in the Olympics? If the answer is Yes then why didn't our esteemed governing body do something earlier to prevent this rather than just do their utmost to stop the Greeks from playing.
If the Olympics are to be only for the top teams/individuals for all sports then surely this must be a part of the information given out during the bid process so that bidding countries are aware of this.
There may be a number of British sporting governing bodies who are assuming that if the London bid for 2012 is successful that they will get to play as hosts. If the FIH and other world bodies like them have their way - they won't!!!!
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NZ
02-18-2004 7:41 am
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the last olympics in australia, which NZ failed to qualify for, was partly due to the fact that they had to qualify against australia for the oceania place. if australia had automatic qualification due to them being hosts NZ would only have played Fiji for the oceania place, and would surely have qualified. so why is it such an issue that greece have to qualify, obviously its just the way it is in hockey
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hockeystef
02-18-2004 7:43 am
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greek qualification
first of all thanks all the guys that support greece in this unfair situation. I hope and I believe that greece is going to beat canada in 2 out off 3 matches. Secondly I would like to say that FIH have just used Greece in order to create a prehistory so to be able to use this in next olympic games or generally in olympic games that are going to be hosted by a weak country. Anyway FIH must understand this : GREECE IS GOING TO BE AN UPCOMING POWER in field hochey. Greeks may not have such as high technique but we have HEART and we play with HEART which no other country has.
Finally all you must know that if Greece does not quallify we are going to close down the fields for the olympic games.
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I don't get it...
02-18-2004 8:31 am
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I thought it was explained quite clearly in the above article the reasons, and it seems pretty reasonable...If Greece(men's) is rated below countries like Venezuela, I think they should have to qualify. What do you think?
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Rhino
02-18-2004 10:28 am
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What about the poor greek players
Every body is concerned by the qualification of the National Greek Hockey Team. But who knows that the championship has not yet started in Grecce, neither for the youngs, neither for the seniors . Who cares about these players who cannot play their favorite games because of Olympic Games.
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Habakook
02-18-2004 10:32 am
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Ratings
To hell with the ratings - everybody who knows about hockey also knows how ridiculous these ratings are. Or do you believe that Cuba is stornger than Canada? Both teams should be among places 20 - 30...
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ADVISOR
02-18-2004 10:56 am
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TO NZ.....
you are absolutely right and well pointed out ..........
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Hockey Fan
02-18-2004 12:51 pm
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Re: JEEPERS CREEPERS, Konstantinopolitis,Soofy,
"Dave is obviously on pharmaceuticals".... "Greece is far more superior"..... Please tell me once again what the score was in Greece?... riiiiiiiiight 7-1, Bill was correct in his prediction, and you, not so much. Smilin' all the way to the qualifier :)
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02-18-2004 2:27 pm
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x player
Dave i agree with your statement about the FIH, but as for the hockey facilities in Greece............. they are available!
might not b world class, but the lines r clearly marked, perfect goal boxes, benches and stands!
so make sure b4 u speak!
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02-18-2004 2:30 pm
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dont b negative!!!
Bill, have a little faith!!!!
go CEDRIC!
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Rhino
02-18-2004 3:17 pm
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You are right NZ
I totally agree with NZ. Every team has to win the right to play in olympics game, with a sportive way. To be qualifyed thanks to the taxes that the Greek Workers will pay does not bring anything to the fame of a country. Look, in football the greek team qualifyed for the european championship and did not need to organize the championship for that.
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bored..really bored
02-18-2004 4:57 pm
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with nonsense
As a fan of hockey, at the end of the day i want to see hockey as competitive as possible.
So i side with the kiwi :) that it should be by qualification that the best teams reach the pinnacle of all sports. Why should greece be any different
..if thats what you would call the team of 'ringers' that play under the banner of the national greek team. I can't see how if they were given a free pass, how getting thumped by each and every team would help develop hockey in a nation with less combined players than some German or Dutch clubs have on there members lists.
And what of the development policy of the Greeks, is it to continue to spend money on flying people in to play and train?..what sort of team an will be left post-athens ? While it may be beneficial to some peoples frequent flyer points statements, are the Greeks to continue trawling the world searching for long lost relatives of aunt and uncle konstantinopilis when every major tournamountg comes around the corner? I think to make the best tournament, and to continue to reward countries who run good development and elite hockey programmes, this is surely the most logical solution.
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hockeystef
02-18-2004 5:04 pm
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Re: Hockey Fan
All you know is to make negative and ironic marks about Greece. I suppose you dont know which team was ahead in score in the 2nd min of the game??..... Greece, and also I suppose you dont know about the terrible umpiring in today's match. The umpires forgot that there were 2 teams in the field. They were obviously supporting Canada. Finally what can we say about Canada......... a team with 4 players from India ? with mexican players!!! and I dont know what other nationalities were in this C A N A D I AN team.
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hockeystef
02-18-2004 5:09 pm
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Re: Rhino
I agree with u. Every team has to win the right to play in the olympics games. But why they decided to start this from Greece? why they didnt start this from Spain? or Korea? The next olympic games are in China, do you believe that they are going to force China to qualify for the games ? I dont think so ! It is just politics.
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hockeystef
02-19-2004 5:40 am
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To NZ
I think that New Zealand was'nt in the same situation as Greece. New Zealand failed to qualify to Australian Olympic Games because Australia was also Continent Champion (something like that ). If for example Australia was beaten in this Championship by New Zealand, New Zealand would take part in the Olympic Games as Continent Champion and Australia also as a host. I understand that this was unfair for New Zealand( in my opinion is a World Power in hockey) but it was not the same situation as Greece.
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Bill
02-19-2004 5:42 am
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Doubters
OK I was wrong I thought it would be 5 or 6 nil. Sorry! Greece HC I am afraid you are not up to the challenge!!
Rhino and NZ you are spot on the olympics is about elite sport the pinnacle of a career and should be populated by the best. No way should weak teams be given entry when Pakistan India Netherlands New Zealand Great Britain etc have to go through qualifying - the Ultimate in sporting competition should be populated by the ultimate in talent.
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BLIP
02-19-2004 7:38 am
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hockeystef
Here we go the excuses come flying, it was the umpires, Canada cheated, ineligible players, the pitch was slippy - GREECE LOST 7 - 1 FACT well done Canada finnish the job quickly pleasre!
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rhino
02-19-2004 3:36 pm
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to hockeystef
Dear hockeystef,
Don't blame Canada to play with p;ayers from india or other countries, because in the countrary you must check where the players of the national teams are coming from ( I don't speak about the nationality of the coach ). And I think that the nationality means nothing. Concerning China, country of more than 1 billion inhabitants, I think that their women team has qualifyed for the olympic games in Athens as Asia champions. And if Greece is the first example of a country to be obliged to qualify on their own value, the nationals should be as proud of that as to have created democraty. That means that there is no privilege
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rhino
02-19-2004 3:43 pm
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to bill
Yes Bill, I agree with you. to be qualifyed to olympics games is a long and difficult process.So only the best will be in the final. And If you consider that the olympic games start from the begining of qualification, everybody is participating. I am a marathon runner and I don't expect to run the olympic one because of my nationality
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Stu (a Canadian)
02-20-2004 1:24 am
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re: hockeystef
Let me give you a lesson on international migration....
Canada is a multicultural nation comprised of people from all over the world. If you believe that people who emigrated to Canada, or whos parents emigrated to Canada should not be allowed to play for our team despite their citizenship then you would have to rule out everyone in the country.... except perhaps the First Nations... but then they emigrated here 40,000 years ago from east siberia, so maybe we shouldn't have a team at all......??? And on that note, none of the white guys in Australia or New Zealand should be allowed to play either right???? Or maybe we should all have to play for African countries since that's where every one of us originated anyway....
Think before you open your mouth son.... If they're citizens of our country they are allowed to play. Its not like we went out and recruited people from other countries. Remember:
"Tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
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NZ
02-20-2004 2:36 am
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the thing most hockey playing Greeks are forgetting here is that they are not the only country that have always dreamed of playing in the olympics. If they got the right to play in the olympics because they were hosts, one team, alot better than greece would miss out, and it may be safe to say the one team won't be canada, as they are likely to miss out anyway, but it may be GB, Malaysia, NZ etc, teams that have dedicated alot more time and resources into their hockey.
Secondly why all teams should have to qualify is that not all countries will host the olympics, as NZ will never host an olympics, as they don't have the resources. They may have hosted the commonwealth games, but they are far smaller then the olympics.
Some may not agree, but the rules are good the way they are.
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Doubter
02-20-2004 7:25 am
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Democracy??
Democracy is a Greek invention and ment to be for everyone. Where is the democracy when Hockey is the only sport in the world were the Host nation is not allowed to have a team? U have an interesting view of things...
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Curious fan
02-20-2004 12:57 pm
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To hockeystef
Man, I agree with you. The politic of the Canadians is to admit foreign players to have a strong national team. They look for indian players who live in Canada and then, give them the right to play for Canada.
THIS IS A SHAME!
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Peter D'Cruz
02-20-2004 5:25 pm
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Canadian born players
Canada does not have any policy to admit foreign players to make a national team. Outsiders assume and suggest that all Canadian players who are not "white" are recruited to Canada from India. This view is a stereotype, offensive and wrong. From the current team, Ken Pereira, Bindi Kullar, Ravi Kahlon, Sonny Kahlon, Ronnie Jagday and Wayne Fernandes were all born in Canada.
For the record, Rob Short was born in England but no one suggests he was recruited to play for Canada. Canada is a multicultural nation and many Canadians of east Indian origin play field hockey. Some of them play for our national team.
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To Curious Fan and Hockeystef
02-20-2004 6:54 pm
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You are ridiculous
The politic of the Canadians is, if you are a citizen you may come and try out for the national Team. for you to say that they admit foreign players to have a strong national team is absolutely ludacris and you are just as anal as your dumbass friend hockeystef. Here the list of players that participated in the Greece vs. Canada Playoff.
(Player) (Birthplace)
Michael Mahood - North Vancouver B.C. CANADA
Mike Oliver - Victoria B.C. CANADA
Robin D'Abreo - Bombay INDIA
Steve Davis - North Vancouver B.C CANADA
Ken Pereira - Unionbank Ontario CANADA
Wayne Fernandes - Etobicoke Ontario CANADA
Peter Short -Richmond B.C. CANADA
Rob Short - Maidstone ENGLAND
Dave Jameson - North Vancouver B.C. CANADA
Ronnie Jagday - Vancouver B.C. CANADA
Sean Campbell - Victoria B.C. CANADA
Scott Sandison - Toronto Ontario CANADA
Paul Wettlaufer - Calgary Alberta CANADA
Ranjeev Deol - Mississauga Ontario CANADA
Ravi Kahlon - Victoria B.C. CANADA
Connor Grimes - Duncan B.C. CANADA
Jon Mackinnon - Winnipeg Manitoba CANADA
NOTE: THIS IS THEIR BIRTHPLACE, NOT THEIR RESIDENCE, THEY WERE BORN IN THE MENTIONED SPOT TO THE RIGHT OF THERE NAME.
Canada is in no way a powerhouse in the international scene and for you to shed tears because one player may have darker skin than another on the turf is racist and stupid. Get a life and while you're at it get some common sense too. If you don't believe what is written above go to http://www.fieldhockey.ca/e/nationalteams/men/GreeceTeamList.htm and click on the mentioned players names.
Robin and Rob have been here for 20+ years so if you still have a problem then I'm sorry but your ignorance is to blame not FHC.
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billy
02-21-2004 5:41 am
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qualify
does this mean that the chinese men have to qualify for their games?
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02-22-2004 11:18 pm
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Where has hockeystef and curious fan gone?
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ZEUS
02-24-2004 6:37 am
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FIH v Greece : Last chance
For an article like this to appear on the FIH site just two days before the play-offs it looks to me that our sport governing body felt like giving some explanation for the rationale on Greece's participation at the OG in Athens. Did they have to to? I guess they felt like it after they witnessed the vast improvemnet that the Greek men's team had made since 2001 when they decided to introduce some criteria for the Greek teams.
A question to Dennis Meredith and the article writer. Was there any conditions put to the USA hockey federation about their eligibility to participate in their OGs. A supported proof of evidence please.
The whole American continent has today 15 hockey playing countries- had even less then (Brasil, Dominican Rep. etc recognised by FIH only recently) so everybody played in the PAN AM games of 1984 and 1996. They should rather think twice before throwing such invalid arguments which are only for public consumption.
If FIH feels that they ruled excessively in the case of Greece they have a golden opportunity. Let the Greeks win their case to CAS with a compromise as it is obvious that you can not admit openly now that you went wrong on this issue. Justice will be served and it will save FIH from losing face.
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Bui
02-24-2004 3:53 pm
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To my sons-nephew and Zeus
You are absolutely right Zeus,
Losing in march 2003 10-0 to Egypt and in januari 2004 3-1 & 4-2,
Losing first 7-1 to Canada and after 3-1 only one day after, having the respect from both coach and players of Canada , telling apparently the level of Greece was more than decent enough to Play an olympic Tournament .
What where the Handball scores of the Australian handball teams again in average ?, what about Rome, Tokyo and MEXICO-hockey, in which I played as Goalkeeper of Belgium... decent levels?
Not to forget Helsinki, Los Angeles, and Atlanta !
I think Greece has proven it's fast progress and respect it deserves from the other nations,
One of my familymembers just got back from Perth and said that the Aussie's coach was Astonished by the improvment of the greeks .
I am sure he's not the only one, we in Belgium follow the greeks very closely and find it just the same .
No reason to doubt that with 6 more months, their greek hearts will even more bounce for progress ,...
Fih you are with your nose to the blamagewall, and you did it yourself .
It's time for reason now and not for stupidity.
God gave us a brain ... use it !
Bui
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Int Fan
02-25-2004 4:19 pm
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Could it be, that Canada let up at all??.... they were resting their two best defenders and their two top forwards were not there either. Could it be that Canada (bein' the friendly nation that they are eh) let up just to save greece the embarassment?.... I think that that is a very plausible idea.
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VG
02-29-2004 10:59 am
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Include Greece as the 13th team
How can FIH decide whether Greece will feel humiliated or not by playing in the Games ? And the author is bluffing by saying that USA qualified in the 84 and 96 Games on merit...How can you use 3rd and 4th place in a pan-american games to justify a place in world top 12 ? This is nothing but double standards...
At the same time, it will be a pity if one deserving country is not allowed to qualify because of Greece's inclusion.
So the solution is to include Greece as the 13th team or 11th team (in womens). One group will be made of 7 or 6 teams (in women). The last team in that group automatically gets the last position in the Games. Everyone is happy !!!
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