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Dillion
12-29-2003 2:10 pm
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Guv
Guv the coach, I could not believe it.forgot his dads position.probably annoy his dad a night before,so he could become the coach.COuld any one how he got appointed.except daddy.....how did he qualify .dont know how the play and understand the game.fitness dont ask ,how can he teach ,he cant do himself .
he cant coach the team he play for and speak and even comment . He teach the boys go out get girlss. thats why he got the job.
HKHA DONT WASTE MONEY
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u-21
12-29-2003 5:25 pm
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u-21
so who was the youngest player for the torunement?
plus does anyone know when they get back?
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Singh
12-29-2003 7:25 pm
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Guv
I couldn't give comment about Guv as his result and position already tells.... but don't really know why Jimmy could't go as asst. coach as he with the team for many months and suddenly one week before, he arrive and appointed as asst. coach. Mr. Billy Dillon...when will you learn and really do something for HK hockey rather than bringing family relation into it.
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Players
12-29-2003 7:30 pm
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Coach
Mr. Simon, I don't know who give you the right to comment local hockey in your article!! Most of your article were personal comment and not really as reporting. For your information, I am sure that HKHA would surely assign an new INDIAN coach as he is more related with Dillon's just like years ago Atvar Singh... he came and gone with his wife shopping around. HKHA should really need someone to work hard for development but too bad this oldies never allow people who contribute and stop them before while going too far.. just like Lee Chun Kay. Look what result he got, he develope many schools now have hockey quietly while HKHA stop him years ago.
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Supporters of HK Hockey
12-29-2003 7:39 pm
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Thank you HKHA
I should say thank you to Hong Kong Hockey Association for bringing hockey here so shameful and makes us more famous as other overseas countries now never takes HK as favours anymore. You people really don't know how to handle hockey in hk only just know how to do the league game. When will you people learn while others improving.
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Player
12-29-2003 8:13 pm
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dillon
maybe he doesn't have the skills or fitness, or don't understand the game, but he volunteered, he was more experienced than us, no matter what he knows somthing more than we do. okay if u wanna say this i cna't help, suggest a better 2nd coach then?m could you.?????
as a player of the team i think Guv did a great job, he motivated us so much, he didn't tell us to go get girl instead he told us to go to bed earlier and you will have a better game tomorrow. he was helping us so much you wouldn't believe. well don't know if u agree with me or not but a a player of the team we got the first had experience.
so people who listen to others, think twice before gettin here at nite and criticise, talk is cheap, go get a better coach for us if u can.
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Govt from Punjab view..
12-29-2003 8:36 pm
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HK future
The money comes from the Govt, so its not a big problem. We need to stop all these secret deals in coaching and selection, and maybe we need to try someone from outside. The Dillons must stay out of these decisions as Guv being in the team or coaching is a big joke. We need to try someone from out side HK club, race and religious politics to pull it together with good motivated locals.
We have done a great job fixing the League with the China comp going well and the new annual Int HK Cup was great, but now we need to concentrate on restructuring junior hockey and promotion and also coordinated coaching for the future.
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Rajiv
12-29-2003 9:04 pm
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HK
Dont' be hard on the Dillons. We need volunteers who work hard like Billy and gets paid nothing. Sure, they currently have too much authority but if no one from the clubs turn up to meetings then who do they have to blame?
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Player 2
12-29-2003 9:07 pm
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Mr Simon
People reporting do have the right to give opinions. Have you ever read a newspaper or any other stories on this site, from genuine paid reporters? What a silly comment.
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Rajiv
12-29-2003 10:54 pm
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HK
Don't you know how much they enjoy free trip, advantages on all function held by AHF OR FIH... if you say we need someone to volanteers.. I am sure there are lot
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Raj
12-30-2003 2:13 am
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Again, LCSD picks up the cost of international travel
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Mustafa
12-30-2003 4:38 am
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Rajiv
u think they went there to enjoy themselves, they were with us all the time, Guv woke up with us at 5 sth in the morning and led us stretching and runnings, you think it's enjoying, he recorded all the games we played holding the camera, is this enjoying, he looked after us at night so to be sure we aren't out, it that enjoying. you weren't there with us how can u comment on him? i've seen arif thinking about the game, how we will play, for the whole nite, they were up discussing, was that enjoying? u call it free trip, i am sure u're thinking they went out to discos and pubs every nite... i understand why u think that, but our team was with them, we all are witnesses. they just did a great job. Thanks Guv and Arif and all who have helped us.
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HK FAN
12-30-2003 6:48 am
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GIVE THE HK TEAMS A CHANCE
IT'S NOT THAT HK TEAMS PLAYED BAD, BUT IT'S ALSO TRUE THAT THE UMPIRES WERE SHT THEY EVEN DON'T KNOW THE RULES, AS U CAN SEE THAT THEY GRANTED THE WIN AT THE LAST MATCH TO IRAN EVEN THEY WERE ONLY 6 PLAYERS IN THE FIELD, I PERSOANLLY WAS THERE, I REALLY THINK THAT THE HK TEAMS PLAYED REALLY VERY WELL BECAUSE THEY WERE TOTALLY LACKING EXPERIANCE AND I AM SURE THAT THEY GAINED IT, AND FOR THAT IT'S HKHA'S FAULT THAT THEY DIDN'T CHOOSE YOUNG PLAYERS IN THE NATIONAL SQURD FOR THE MAJOR TOURNMENT'S JUST TO GAIN EXPERIANCE, AND I KNOW FOR SURE THAT THE HK TEAMS (BOTH BOYS AND GIRLS) ARE GOING TO DO VERY GOOD IN THE NEXT TOURNMENT, SO I HERE BEG THE HKHA AND THE HK PPL NOT TO GIVE UP ON THE HK JONIORS, THEY ARE JUST LACKING EXPERIANCE, PLEASE!!!
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Mustafa
12-30-2003 8:11 am
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one point about Guv
and i firget to mention one thing,
guv used his own money to go to S'pore with us, HKHA didn't paid a cent, you think u could do that too? think about it Rajiv
He was helping arif doing videos and statistics,
the first AHF cup i dunno u people remember it or not, Chinese Taipei came last, but in only 4 yrs time they improved so much, that these young boys came second in AHF only below HK.
the only way they did this because they got full support from their Govt, and public, but we still keep on blaming and blaming... they don't care they lost the first AHF cup but they aimed higher thats why they did this, they hired a korean coach and he completely changed their style of hockey.
i will thank alll of you who crictised us if HK hockey will be staying at this level here where we are now, because it's u who wanted the most.
but for us we won't give up coz it's a really big honour representing HK and result although was bad, but all we matter is the way we play, and we didn't miss our lesson at all...
for other countries result for junior squads aren't important as long as they will learn things earlier b4 they represent the national squad. i think this tournament really taught us alot. Losing there, we learn how to play proper hockey.
but if we stay here and not to be exposed to INT, we won't learn and increase our knowledge of hockey, because people here are just cricticising.
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HK PLAYER
12-30-2003 8:24 am
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THANKS!!!
Hey guys I am a HK team player, and wat mustafa wrote is absalutly correct, Guv and Arif have really done alot for us they really helped us to play real hockey, it's true some of us didn't played good but some of us really tried very hard, and it's also true that the umpires were not good either, even billy and brenda were there and they also saw us playing and also know that the umpires were really low class, so please HK peoples don't put all the blames on Guv, Arif and all the HK team because some players really put their everything in this tournment, and the only thing they were lacking was the expirence and which they have gained, and I promise that we( the HK U21 players) are really gonna show people that we are not useless and the people who are using their hands to write these discouriging comments, they are gonna use these same hand to clap on us......THAT'S A PROMISE!!!
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Boris Floski
12-30-2003 8:30 pm
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structure
Don't blame the players, blame the structure, or total lack of it, of our junior / school systems. And sorry, but 23 year olds should not be coaching 21 year olds, it never works. They should be playing hockey and concentrating on playing for HK senior side, and NOTHING else.
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Alfonso
12-30-2003 8:39 pm
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Reminder
Reminder
1998 We lost 9-1 to Malaysia
1998 We lost 6-1 to Japan
1998 We lost 3-2 to Singapore
2003 We lost 2-1 to Malaysia
2003 We drew 2-2 to japan & lost in extra time golden goal
2003 We never see Singapore again...... to scared.
U21, It's your first tour. It takes time to get there. Work hard & u'll have all our support.
Happy New Year Guys ! ^_^
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Arsene Wenger
12-31-2003 7:25 am
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Let me tell u guys
1st to Alfonso : HK senior Lost to Malaysia n Japan ,coz this 2 teams a
world top 10. They also play in the world cup. And last , they r Pro .
2nd to Mustafa : As u said , Iran have train in Pakistan . But still lost
to MACAU MACAU it's MACAU ok. So it's mean even Macau a better than u guys . SRI LANKA , SINGAPORE , CHINESE-TAIPEI n Oman,
all this teams not even qualify for Asian Games too. So don't say ....
about they train here or there , It's just they play hard n strong or fast. But u guy must be playing like ladys hockey in this tournment.
Pls learn alot from this tournment , and play as strong as they did .
I'm very sure u will have a better results for the next time.
And Last is .... Happy new year to HK U21 Boys !!!
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santa
12-31-2003 12:27 pm
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under 21 players
TO all under -21
One of the player said you have tried the best and gave all u have got. IF you dont improve next time you should not playing at that level .you dont have the talent ,boys
Someone also said dont criticise on arif and Guv. U under 21 player let both of them down.of course I m going to criticise them .You boys should be blame for it not us. do something .give us result to be proud of.Sorry you were hopless.nnot good enough...shame ,
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hong kong fans
01-01-2004 12:52 am
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people
u know people around the world think hong kong is a joke not because hk u-21 lost all the game but our own hong kong people are writing crap all the time.not much of encouragement but as many rubbish as possible.look at other country,even they lose in any tournament or any shock result still people stand on their side hope them to do well and dont give up.u guys are really a joke
well done for wrting crap
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Learning Zone
01-01-2004 2:36 am
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AHF U21
I BELIEVE THE BOYS HAVE LEARNED A LESSON. BUT THEY COULDN'T HAVE DONE MUCH AS THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE. WHAT WERE THE PEOPLE EXPECTING FROM THEM? COMING 1ST? OTHER TEAMS CAME PREPARED - GOING TO TOURS BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT - HENCE SPENDING MONEY. HK WON'T IMPROVE UNLESS THEY START SPENDING MONEY. HKHA THINK THEY HAVE SPENT ALOT BUT COMPARING WITH THE OTHER TEAMS, HK SPENT NOTHING AT ALL. I UNDERSTAND THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT SUPPORTIVE AT ALL (IN TERMS OF FUNDS) BUT THERE MUST BE OTHER WAYS TO SOLVE THE MATTER. HKHA IS SUPPOSE TO THINK ABOUT THAT. I KNOW THE CHAIRMAN AND/OR PRESIDENT ARE NOT PAID FOR THAT BUT ITS YOU YOURSELF WHO WANT TO BE THE CHAIRMAN AND/OR PRESIDENT SO DO YOUR JOB.
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Oldies
01-01-2004 7:25 am
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For U21
Don't you U21 boys know what is reality? What does the result in Singapore tells you? Stop all this rubbish and improve your fitness, stop complaining other countries got better skills, stop complaining that the umpire were bad as if you guys good enough you can beat them not by umpire on your side.
For you people don't understand why is going on with HK hockey, you people just too young and act like a baby. Don't you know HKHA just send you guys there to please AHF or FIH that they support them. If they (HKHA) care about you guys, U21 should had gone in camp, overseas trip before going to Singaproe. Don't tell me they have no money for that as HKHA have enough money for that but they just like a security guard - just watch the money and not spending it for youth or development.
Just look at junior development nowadays, most of the clubs doing it by themself. KCC got mini, HKFC got mini, Valley got mini, what have the HKHA did? Just the usual summer program which following the footstep of Therese Thomas many years ago.
As for umpire, how many umpire were improve or at least up to the standard of 1st Div hockey? How many umpire courses they run? How many coaches they run? This is the many reason why many people got upset with them.
Most of the time they send only their puppet for overseas courses and they never have any standard of sending out representative for HKHA.
Think about this, we or I not just only complaining but want to voice out and let official of HKHA to hear what we want.
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wHo
01-01-2004 9:51 pm
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who is going to replace mark baileys position as a hong kong team coach. i want to recommand hkha to employe experience coach from overseas not hk.....
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HK Fans
01-02-2004 1:20 am
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Official of HKHA Squad
Someone said that Guv paid his own ticket for the trip and became asst. coach of U21. If that's true, that means Jimmy cannot afford to pay $2000 for Singapore ticket and that is why he kicked out of the squad. So, next time, HKHA could you please post the vacancy for HKHA official for touring side, I think I will apply for Manager or Head of the Tour. This is really shame of Hong Kong hockey......
Appointment is accepted depends on money..... How rubbish for this.
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Dhanraj Billy
01-02-2004 6:12 am
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HK Fans
why are you guys talking so much?
go apply for the job if you really have the qualification
if you're just talking here,i can't help
just talking and talking
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Reporter
01-02-2004 6:21 am
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what is not possible !?
Guangzhou team is released by the chinese hockey federation because they couldn't beat local non-professional team(Shaheen) all the team officials has been sacked and they won't be playing in the second round,all the players were given a job in the farm!
IS THAT WHAT U WANT?
France and Argentina couldn't qualify in the first round of the World Cup! what do you expect? they give up football? and work in McDonald's?
England soccer team couldn't win the world cup with so much preparation, so you think David Beckham and Goran Eriksson has been released from the team and now working in an fish & chips shop?
guys, this is not end of the world ---life goes on, why coming here and wasting time on complaining like babies to these young guys?
Get REAL !
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mark
01-02-2004 7:05 am
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mark
If only Mark Bailey could stay. He was A brilliant coach... Whoever comes next will have try very very hard to replace Mark. Good Luck Mark!
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Oldies
01-02-2004 12:02 pm
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Dhanraj Billy/Reporter
How about putting a red carpet for your U21 teams! We know this is not the end of the world but you guys or perhaps you might be one of those who just enjoyed a holiday in Singapore keep on protecting.
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Ernie
01-03-2004 1:10 am
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Mark Bailey a decent coach? Mark staying is one of the reasons why HK has not progressed. Mark has succeeded to some extent with the team because he knows the players and the system, but he has no knowledge of the game. The HK team is the most tactically lacking international team on the circuit-even Macau has a better sense of tactical play-the only reason why we consistently beat these teams is because there are a handful of very talented players. Hopefully the HKHA will employ a fully qualified coach now to take the team to the next level. But whoever comes will face one very difficult problem which Mark too was confronted with. The discipline among the teams is so poor and that is rooted in our club system. Other national team coaches don't have to deal with discipline because at club level if you don't act properly then you're out, simple as that. In HK though you've got Bullets-absolute disgrace to the game, and shame on the association for not sorting them out severely; Shaheen-who've never fulfilled their full potential because of poor discipline among undoubtedly the best players in HK; KCC, who suffer from internal politics (less to do with the hockey section than with the tyrannical club committe who's ultimate ambition is to build a cricket field's worth of tennis courts); Club who are not yet fully committed to putting behind the jolly good, go and try your best, chaps hockey (a shame considering what a magnificent side they were a couple of years ago-down to their desire to be professional); and neither Valley or Pakistan are exactly role models. And this is another reason why we have performed badly at Junior level, because the clubs don't care, quite frankly, so it's a bit much to dump the blame on Arif/ Guv when the fact of the matter is they're not being provided with much in the first place. Yes, it is impressive that Mark has been able to cope with these problems, but HK must move on and find someone that will instill the proper attitude into the players before teaching them the game itself, and the clubs must also take on the responsibility of running things the way they should be.
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Hockey Player
01-03-2004 8:22 am
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Ernie
Glad to see someone who knows so much about what's happening in HK hockey and club hockey. Bullets improve alot in their as compare previous years and I should say well done to those Bullets who control their tempers and support others. KCC got many U21 boys recently and Arif I am sure he will help them in development. Shaheen got a new B team and hopefully they will also train some new local boys and bring them into a higher standard. Pakistan Assn. also got quite a few young players and hopefully they will still one of the strong team in HK. Both Valley and HKFC got problem as they depends alot from overseas players, which I think they need to improve in development. I know Brad is doing a good job but how about if he finishes his contract again in HK? I agree with Ernie about discipline is most important in both HKHA national players as well as club.
I think we all expect the new coach could bring HK hockey to another level of hockey and most important is improve future stars of HK.
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new coach
01-03-2004 9:50 am
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actually, mark was a good coach and many of us will be realli sad to see him leave. he was a good coach and friend. however, i must agree at the poor discipline level that hk hockey has, as a junior player who recently represented hk in the U21 tourn, coming second is a pretty bad result seeing as there were onli 3 teams to play. i noticed that wen we were playing against taipei, he didnt switch the players during the game, not even for a 5 min rest....or to tell them what they should do.
however, i think that the discipline level is the major problem in hk because with most of the team not showing up for practice or training. with this happenin, then of course hk is not going to improve, no matter how hard the players who do go to training because they will work their best during the game on what happened training and then cant work with the ppl who iddnt show up. i think that whoever the new coach is, i hope that they will enforce a discipline AND attendence rule i.e. ppl who dont show up for training without a reasonable reason should not be allowed to play in the following game, unless the team is short a player. i also think that the new coach should take ppl aside and tell them what they need improvement on if they would like to get further in hockey, eg, picked for national team
best of luck to mark baily and for all that he has done for hk hockey...realli mean it!...
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hockey
01-04-2004 4:24 pm
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Alot of comments regarding Mark but I would like to see the new international coach at Happy Valley on thursday night's watching the girls U16 side this is what he did and with a great deal of succes. We have had international coaches paid them far more than Mark has ever been paid and they have failed very badly and Mark eneded coming back and getting us back up again. Mark will agree with any of you that his knowledge of the game was limited but none can deny his success or his work rate first class. we should stop talking the past and concentrate on the future whoever comes in will have a very tough job getting the team to the heights Mark did and I agree with most of whta ernie said except for the part that Mark was problem there are far more problems with Hk hockey juts look at the disgarce of the U21 boys tour to Singapore when Mark was not involved. The HKHAneed to look ver carefully at the future and what they do.
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mimi
01-04-2004 8:48 pm
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hk u-21 in singapore
hk gus played well in the tournament..they r juz lacking in the tactical awareness..
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Lincoln Churchill
01-04-2004 11:47 pm
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WHAT DO U THINK?
After hearing from people from Football CLub and the association. I found out alot of things that an outsider would not notice. Arif is a very bad coach. He is very bad for influencing players on and off the pitch. That is why The mens U21 Team did so bad on tour. It is not because of the lack of international experience. When Arif leaves Hong Kong to play in the Malaysian League for about 4 months. This is the time that the Hong Kong Junior teams can Develop. I hope also hope he doesnt play for hong kong because personally i dont think that he is good enough and deserves to. Because of The KCC Mens and Women teams dislike Arif, i think that He should come and play for Football Club along with Me, Tom, Chris, Brad, Patrick, Guv, Jason and etc. I think that Football club style of playing suits Arif and hes not doing well at KCC. But anyway, good luck to you Arif and hope u never come back. ANd keep in mind that CLub always want u .
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Dhanraj Billy
01-05-2004 10:45 am
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club doesn't need arif because they already have another great centre-midfielder
he is The Unchallengeable GUV (Gurvinder Singh Dillon).who dares to go near him to challenge? he is the one who HK team really need!if he played full game when HK played korea HK could have won by at least 3 goals.GUV has his unpredictable DRAG-HIT.
I LOVE GUV
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u 21 player
01-06-2004 2:29 pm
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Everyone writting here apart from some are just saying bad comments, the under 21's have no talent, people in the H K H A are so bad, guv shouldn't be aloud to be a coch all these negitive comments, do you people think that the HKHA have alot of money, the HKHA do not have massive amoutnts of money, people liek the presidint and cochs like arif and guv don't get paid to do what they do, they are volenteres who do this work for free, all you people writting saying that this should be done and that should be done, well then why do u get up off your ass and pitch in and help the HKHA. some people in the HKHA just keep helping even with all these negitive comments, they keep putting in massives of time to do things for the hockey players of hong kong. most of the people comenting about teh bad proformance that hong komg had werent even there in singapore ( so how the hell can u comment) other people commenting on are training ( do u even coem down to the trainings). all these people saying how bad the dillions are if there so bad why r they the ones helping with all the hockey ( if you people think that you can do better then get up off your butt and do something, but you don't why because you r lazy and just liek to sit at the computer and write all this Shi*. so Just let the volunteres help out and if u think you can do better the come and show us. Because guv and arif were very dedicated in singapore and guv was a great help and contributed to the team alot.
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Lincoln Churchill
01-06-2004 8:54 pm
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Arif
Thought it might be worth me actually writing a comment rather than having someone else do it under my name. Nice try though, however as english is my first language I can actually write stuff that makes sense. I have a lot of respect for Arif, any player who can dribble effectively in Hong Kong must be a great player. I look forward to competing against a player who plays the game properly when we play KCC. In my 3 weeks here I have seen the worst display of tackling in my entire life - to be able to evade a player diving all over you making no attempt to get the ball, then swinging his stick in your face is a special talent. Someone said to me that HKHA umpires hand bookstates that "this kind of tackle is ofcourse not that dangerous and should be penalised only if the player he tackles gets a broken leg. If he is killed by the tackle consider giving a verbal warning and possibly a green card." Not sure if that true. As for the U21 teams performance - when was the last time a development program of any kind was available for junior players? Are junior players meant to develop by themselves? only 1 in a 100 have enough natural ability to do that - someone like Arif...... but as for people like me, we need all the help we can get.
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01-07-2004 12:06 am
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When have international coaches been paid far more than Mark Bailey? And what is the big surpirise about going to watch the U16s train at Valley on Thursday...erm...is this not his job? You think that the U21 boys performed badly in Singapore because Mark wasn't coaching them? This again demonstrates how clueless people are in HK. WAKE UP AND FACE REALITY!!!
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Linkin Park (Lincoln Park)
01-07-2004 2:43 am
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Linkin churchill
stop kissin his ARss man,he is not that good lincoln,son,as i told you before,never kiss someones boot unless it really worth kissing!
lincoln, i want you to teach your deadly drag-flick to GUV.so he can contribute more for HK
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FACT
01-07-2004 11:24 am
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HONG KONG HOCKEY IS GETTING NOWHERE. THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT SUPPORTIVE AT ALL. WITHOUT MONEY, HKHA CAN DO NOTHING. ITS THE GOVERNMENT WHO IS TO BLAME. THEY DON'T SUPPORT HOCKEY BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY LOCALS CHINESE INVOLVED. TALKING ABOUT LOCALS, I SAW AFEW IN U21 LAST SEASON - I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF THOSE PLAYERS GOING TO AHF U21 TOURNAMENT. NO DISRESPECT TO THOSE LOCALS CAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE SUPPORT. SO I SEE THE LEVEL OF HK HOCKEY GOING DOWN. THIS IS THE FACT. OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE SO MUCH SUPPORT IN TERMS OF MONEY. THEY GO TO TOURS BEFORE GOING INTO A COMPETITION. WHAT DO HK DO BEFORE GOING INTO A MAJOR TOURNAMENT? I TELL YOU WHAT THEY DO - THEY THINK THEY'RE THE BEST BECAUSE OF WHAT THE SENIOR TEAM HAS DONE AND WON 1 MATCH IN ASIA CUP - THE MANAGER OF U21 THINKS THAT HE AND HKHA HAS DONE ALOT BY GIVING THE PLAYERS JERSEYS, PROVIDING THEM WITH HOTELS, FOOD AND AIR-TICKETS AND EXPECT THE U21 BOYS TO WIN THE COMPETITION - AND WHEN THE REALITY IS AT LAST IN FRONT OF US (COMING LAST), PEOPLE START TO BLAME THE PLAYERS AND HKHA. DO YOU KNOW WHO FELT THE WORST IN THIS TOURNAMENT? ITS THE U21 BOYS - THEY FELT HUMILIATING BUT AFTER THINKING OF WHAT KIND OF SUPPORT THEY GOT FROM THE GOVERNMENT, THEY DON'T FEEL BAD CAUSE THE GOVERNMENT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING (COMPARING WITH OTHER COUNTRIES) TO HELP THE DEVELOPMENT OF HOCKEY AND OTHER SPORTS IN HK. PEOPLE SAY THE PLAYERS WERE ENJOYING THEMSELVES IN DISCOS. IF THEY REALLY WERE, THEN THEY DESERVE THAT - JUST BECAUSE THEY CAME LAST, IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE TO BE LOCKED IN THEIR ROOMS. THE PLAYERS SPENT THEIR TIME AND MONEY TO COME TO TRAININGS. THE PLAYERS WERE SPENDING THEIR CHRISTMAS AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILIES. CAN'T EVEN GO OUT FOR 1 DAY. REDICULOUS! BE REAL, HK IS NOT THE CITY TO COMPETE IN SPORTS BUT THEY'RE MUCH INTO BUSINESS. INSTEAD OF BLAMING THE PLAYERS & HKHA, BLAME THE GOVERNMENT - IT IS US, THE PLAYERS, WHO MADE HK PROUD BUT WHAT DID THE GOVERNMENT DO IN RETURN? NOT FUNDING HOCKEY. ACCEPT THE FACT, CONCENTRATE ON MAKING MONEY RATHER THAN WASTING TIME IN SPORTS IN HK.
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Not Fact
01-07-2004 6:58 pm
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Mr. Fact
How can you say the Govt. is not supporting hockey? Who are you to know that? HKHA always on top in using of KP and most of other ground. It's the management of HKHA not Govt. HK Govt is always open doors for sports but they need to send proposal,, ideas etc to them and request for funding. If you say Govt is not supporting, then where the money came from for hosting AHF in HK, 4 nation tournament England, Japan, Korea & HK... Ladies tournament host a year ago .... Stop direct our peoples mind to other destination... If the HKHA management is good, we will be like early 60's or 70's always in ond of the top in Asia. I am not saying the result is bad but it could be improve.
Roger Nissim took over Con as President and some result was good but this was because of his colleague not him!! He likes to travel to hockey tournament... well... his Korean friend is happy to see him, anyway.
There still lot of rubbish in HKHA management and if they still don't improve or accept this U21 result and make change... we will be in deep trouble. Even we got the best coach still he will leave and nothing will improve.
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Kermit
01-07-2004 11:34 pm
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The government has contributed a lot of money to hockey recently, as Mr. Fact states. Where do you think the money for the U21 AHF cup came from? Good idea HKHA-stick an undeveloped team in the deep end and expect results. I am not blaming the players-you can't ever blame anyone for trying their best. There has never been a shortage of funding-it's just that the association never bothers to apply for it, and when they do, they spend it on all the wrong things. If the government really isn't providing enough-well, it's not as though the association has been unaware of this for the past umpteen years, but they have absolutely no strategy to solve this or any of the other problems either. They are not going in any specific direction. Ask anyone to explain the association's policy on any of the following-development, coaching, overseas tours, marketing the sport, making sure hockey is seen in the media-all the answers are a series of overwhelmingly vague responses, and all they do is sit and hide behind facts crying "oh, but we're volunteers." Oh, please! That is so pathetic. If you're not up to the job then don't volunteer for it in the first place. You don't see anyone from the association approaching suitable candidiates to do the job, do you? The truth of the matter is that the majority of them have their arses so firmly stuck to their positions nobody else is ever going to have an opportunity. This season had so much potential with all the things that were going on, and I think Roger has done a good job there with the SPL and the quadrangle tournament, but the HKHA never quite manage to pull it off properly. Still the transfer of a dosey prop from DeA to Aberdeen takes presidence over hockey news-did anyone see the Guangzhou games against Club/ Shaheen? How can that not be news worthy? Even that crappy NYD rugby gets a back page write up and that is an absolutely village standard. Still the umpires ignore the swashbuckling sword wielding style tackling (maybe this in itself demonstrates their true lack of knowledge). Still Kings Park is in an awful condition-how embarrasing was it bringing Korea, GB, and Japan to play on that sorry excuse for a pitch? The carpet in my bedroom would be a better venue for such tournaments than KP. Anyway, what's the point in even spending time writing all this down... It's staring at us all in the face...but nothing ever changes. Oh well, we'll plod on. The HK team has loitered around the same position for a long time, not moving up or down. That is effectively failure, and soon it will come and bite us in the but when Taiwan/ Macau beat us one day...How humiliating will that be? But that is exactly where we are headed.
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Joker
01-08-2004 2:05 am
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Fact
What a joke, Fact, how can you say govt is not support sports???? You so funny guy writing so many thing just to tell us HK govt. is not supporting sports or hockey. Who is the responsible to tell the government what we want and need? Who is responsible to promote hockey in to local people? Now seems even some hockey team can get sponsorship but how come a national hockey don't even get spnsorship from the commercial. If you say they are volanteer, forget this excuess.. they should know why they take up the post! If they take the post and do the job badly then they should leave and tell the public I am not doing a good job as I am only a volanteer not paid and I got tons of things to do.
There are also voulanteers in every hockey team and club, who get paid, how can they get sponsorship or where they get? How come they can run their hockey team or clubs so well and good management? Don't tell me they were train!! It's because they were committed to their clubs or teams. There will be lots of excuess for the management of the HKHA to argue with me but why they don't invite people to support the HKHA management rather expect people to turn up to their AGM, EGM, etc.
Come on HKHA - WAKE UP!!
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Spectator
01-08-2004 9:12 am
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U21 Tournament in Singapore
I have been quite close to the Hong Kong U21 Boys and Girls Team on and off the pitch. I have seen many things that the non U21 People back in Hong Kong did not see. During the 27th of December, It was all cool, everyone behaving themselves until Fraser started to make a move on Midge. They did the usual, danced together in the corner for about 20 mins, thinking that nobody would see, but actually i have it on camera. I have to say that Katy Mountain was the star of the womens side, with all the through balls and diving deflections. I really think that she did her bit for the team and the other girls were slacking off. I have to say we would not have done so well if our number 1 supporter was not there, Fraser Smith.
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Craig David
01-08-2004 9:32 am
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All for the Banta
CAn i get a REEWIINDD. Hi guys... the HKU21 girls left winger is soooo fit.. unbelievably fit.. she got like 15 for the bleep test.. I guess guys on and off the pitch she comforted the guys and cheered them on after a big match... Have u heard bout Ernest?
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01-08-2004 9:41 am
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I have to say that the two youngest boys on the team were exceptional players. Plus Ian is so damn sexy!!! Thanks to Fraser we had the best support and to tim for being his typical self! Not only were midge and fraser dancing, they were dirrrrrty dancing!! haha
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lenny
01-08-2004 10:29 am
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ian
the trip to singapore was not a success for the hong kong boys as they were beaten very badly by everyone. as ians brother i was very surprised to find some things out about ian. first of all i thought ian was the second best player behind myself. but what was most surprising was to find out that ian and midge were very very closly associated with each other. they would e-mail each other eac week and are very good friends. ian started to take this further in singapore where he started hitting on her, he would always try to sit next to her and touch her leg and you should of seen them dance, i think now that they are together and i am happ for my brother.
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Craig David
01-08-2004 9:31 pm
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Banta
OH, MANAGER UNDER TREATMENT AT PHYSIO OFFICE, BOYS U21 PHYSIOS. SHOULD ENJOYING IIIITTTT!!! HE LOVE BEING TOUCH.
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Fraser
01-08-2004 11:13 pm
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girls
through out the whole singapore trip i was the best player without a doubt. But i was the best player off the pitch. On the dance floor every one could see the eye of the tiger in me as i went in for the kill. Im telling tou this isnt your ordinary big mac meal. This was your supersized Double super sized big mac meal with an extra order of 12 chicken mc nuggets. To be able to compete at this level you had to be someone special some one with no sense or direction. U talking about ian having michelle im telling you i was competing at a much higher level with a much "bigger" challenge. A lot of people still ask me why i did it, and why i am such a good player. I guess these things come naturally, these qualities are very hard to find off the pitch. But whats worst is that a Double super sized big mac meal is hard to find in teh first place so i took full advantage of this. I went in hard for the tackles and got some good results. I am the only HK sucess story from the singapore trip
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Ian
01-09-2004 12:22 am
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Guv
Guys, something that have to understand is that me nad Guv are brothers. When you say stuff about him, it hurts me inside..Well... we go back along way dont we? During this trip i got to know Guv alot more that i did at home Holy SHT. Since im the Dailo, he always listens to me, i told him not to go to certain places and he was a good lad, and took my word for it. Thats good that he has behaved himself orself he would have went to Kellang. Gwai Jai.
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Kerpal
01-09-2004 12:27 am
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FRaser
Fraser King of thr Ring Hk Heavy weight champion especially out of the ring, only picks on ppl his own size. Weighting in at 220 lbs, you still have quite a bit to go if you want to get with the lighter girls of the Womens side like Grace, Katy and your chosen one Candy. Fraser playing in midfield would be a great asset to the Hong Kong side. With his through balls and vision he will certainly be a top midfielder one day. Fraser is as furocious as a tiger. As quick as an ostrich and as wide as wide as a hippo. Take my advice big man... have less super size double cheeseburge meals please. it may help
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Fraser
01-09-2004 1:08 am
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hockey
Fraser eye of the tiger lol more like eye of terti. Fraser plays like a hippo, runs like a penguin, has the skills of tabusum, acts like a donkey. Here is HK future midfield star beep test of 15 divdied by 10.
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Peter Hunt
01-09-2004 3:06 am
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Fraser Smith
As i watched the Hong Kong team play in Singapore a certain person caught my eye. Fraser Smith. This great athlete supported the Hong Kong team superbly (unfortunately Fraser was unable to play due to knee injury) He was deeply missed in the Hong Kong team who could have used Frasers great talent in certain stages in the tournement. I would like to thank Fraser very much for all his dedication towards hockey and hope he recovers from his injury ASAP.
Thanks again Fraser you are the best.
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steave watson
01-09-2004 11:11 am
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hi, i have noticed that a certain couple got together on the trip, guv and one of the u21 girls whic one was it though, that is the quetion if anyone knows please post it thanks,
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guess who
01-09-2004 11:39 pm
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Aman-da-lun
Rav why, why did u do it, are u jealous after looking at ur brother i mean u could look like zidane
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micheal hodson
01-10-2004 12:09 am
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i think hockey in hong kong is a joke i mean they have about 5 dicent players and the u21 bots area joke, they were played of the park by iran, common thats bad.
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michael johnson
01-10-2004 10:00 am
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micahel hudson
son, hk hockey was never a joke,
son, why don't u go and try to make the team better?
son, i believe in you, you can do it
son, call me daddy !
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gulf
01-10-2004 11:03 am
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omg guys i mean guys like OMG how did this get out aman-da-lun. Why do u say i look like zidane HOLY SHT that is not true. I mean DUDE what were u thinking. This is a hockey website HOLY SHT and u guys come on and write this kinda stuff. DUDE this is not good, not good at all.
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gulf
01-10-2004 6:50 pm
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MeiLokDor MeiLokDor MeeeeiiiiiiiLLLoooooookkkDoooooooorrrrrrrr
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U21 player
01-11-2004 8:03 am
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when did midge and ian get together?....and wat is this bout her dancing with fraser?...i was there and only saw them talkin
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steave watson
01-11-2004 8:06 am
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does anyone know which couple did get together?
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Can't take this anymore
01-12-2004 4:02 am
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Dating etc
Who frickin cares? Go and chat on a date line instead for crying out loud. What a bunch of toss pots you are. If the U21s were a bit more mature then perhaps they wouldn't get dicked all over in matches. Grow up, please...the banter's not even amusing...if it were funny at least then people wouldn't mind...I hope the association reads this junk and realises never to send you dick'eds on tour anywhere ever again.
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Futureman
01-12-2004 7:53 pm
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Forget it!
Result always meaning something which is the past and I would suggest that we should now start how to improve our future hockey players rather than keeping them in the well. We need them to have more chance to play overseas and learn more. Please you all gentleman, even they all didn't get good result in Singapore but I am sure all players should have experience ups and downs.
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micheal hodson
01-13-2004 6:57 am
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hong kong hockey is crap, nere not getting any better and other countries are, how can you expect hong kong hockey to be successful unless you have more people playing the game round hong kong at a young age. no one is really doing much with in the local chinese schools. in a couple of years we will be nothing because other small countries would have progressed and we would have not. now who is going to do something who is a position that to be able to do something, at least try.
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midge
01-18-2004 6:48 am
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midge
who is midge? and who is she with then ian or frasier? i'm hearing different stories about midge and ian or frasier?
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U-21
01-18-2004 6:49 am
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U-21
So who were the best players in the tournement over the week then?
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Getting Together
01-18-2004 6:50 am
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Getting together
so who got with who over the tournement?
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kelson
01-20-2004 5:17 pm
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GUV got with i dunno i forgot whats his name, i think francis
Fraser got with the McDonalds Menu and Miss Ma bui lei
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best players
01-21-2004 8:30 am
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i know for the girls that the best players were katherine mountian, oillie and pat as well as sandra and babs
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stories
01-22-2004 12:07 am
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what are thse supose of stories bout ppl?
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wow
01-23-2004 9:58 am
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wow....you ppl got a life now and stopped this story nonsense
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best players
01-23-2004 11:43 am
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boys: best player is Ian,
girls: best player is Michelle (Midge)
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kelson
01-23-2004 12:28 pm
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best player is HK Mascot Fraser and Ma Bui Lei
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Kelson
01-23-2004 12:35 pm
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Aman heard you got a hair cut is this true, heard your father really liked
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phew
01-23-2004 11:41 pm
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woah...nice hair cut aman....ian and midoge?
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omg !!! ;)
01-24-2004 10:06 am
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the guys on the hk team were hot!!!...especially ian and kieran.....as well as the skills....with kierans signature move!!!
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Fraser
01-28-2004 9:19 pm
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Yes Michelles last name is bury, mine all mine there is no competitiion
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come on
01-29-2004 4:51 am
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lets stop this bout midge and ian and stuff...this is a palce to talk bout hockey not who hooked up with who
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haha
02-02-2004 10:42 pm
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stop writing this stuff?...come on..your one to talk!
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passer-by
02-04-2004 9:44 am
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tsk tsk..
to tink some of ya out there who dun even seemed to talk sense.. sounded like u dun even noe wats goin on in the backroom of all thos prepaations to send a team out for tournaments trips and the hardwork these teams put... unless u been thru it.. otherwise.. juz keep ur comments to urself..~!
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kelson
02-04-2004 9:46 pm
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Midge aka ma bui lei, wow there are quite a lot of people after you, like Fraser. They after you for ur BIG talent. you are the BOMB in defense
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fraser
02-06-2004 2:31 am
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Thats is what i admire most about my idol michelle, she has really impressed me on and off the pitch. She is a true PLAYER on and off the pitch. Hard to find when ur the BOMB of defense
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