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Wolf man
12-18-2003 3:07 pm
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The Greek men think they're going to walkover the Canadians? This really makes me mad. And I'm sure that many others on the team are not going to be too pleased about this either. We're coming, and we expect a fight. But we're not showing up to take second. They'd better hold their tongues until the final results are in. They are in no position to be trash talking.
Besides if Gubbar is there then there truly will be no hope for the Greek.
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Fox man
12-18-2003 11:21 pm
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walkover
Wolf man,
You got it wrong. The Greek men are saying they don't have to play Canada. If Cuba dosen't show, too bad, so sad, we won. That is a walkover claim. It is what happens in any tournament - a no show is a walkover. How you like them apples? Do they have a point?
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ZEUS
12-19-2003 12:57 am
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The Greek women will not indeed participate in the February test event but they will play Russia in the play offs. The chances to go through are very slim but they will give it a try. It is a fact that there is greater effort to prepare the men's team and that is why the men's team will participate in the test event. I hope that with their performance they will make a lot of the decision making people to be ashamed of that they have subjected the host to the rediculous procedure of having to qualify.
To WOLF MAN : My friend you should rather sharpen your nails for the Qualifier in Madrid where you can claim your fame. The fact that your team was not entitled to be there- you should thank Cuba for declining- or that you could be the instrument to elliminate the Greek team should make you a lot more reserved and humble in your statements.
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ifstat
12-19-2003 3:30 am
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get it right!
The Greek Team, is training extremely hard, for the game againist Canada, so show some RESPECT, they are doing the best they can. Also were did you people get such crab from, that they consider Canada a walk over?? Stop suckings things out of your thumbs.
Fox man, you should also get your facts right, the Greek Team still needs to beat Canada to qualify. Canada replaced Cuba in qualifier that's all, nothing as forth giving as you claim.
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Wolf man
12-19-2003 2:18 pm
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I am making no claim as to asserting "fame" as ZEUS suggests. Merely I am a little irked by the fact that Greece is talking trash. I do not condone it. Instead hold your tongues and let the games do the talking in February. If Greece wins it will be an upset. That is not to detract from their hard training or their commitment. It is instead just a comment based on the rankings difference between the two teams.
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Rudy
12-19-2003 4:44 pm
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To Wolf Man
I always enjoy reading your comments.
You are misinterpreting the use of the term "walk over" here. It is not being used in a trash talking sense. Rather, the Greeks are claiming that they have defeated Cuba by forfeit and therefore do not need to play any other team instead of Cuba.
My prediction is that they will indeed have to play Canada and that Canada will beat them two straight games by at least three goals.
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Fox man
12-20-2003 12:11 am
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Walk over
Thank you Rudy. Your explanation of the term walk over is better than mine. Ifstat, I was just trying to explain what it appears that the Greek mens are saying.
I would expect that Canada will beat the Greeks. If Canada can not do that then Canada has some deep thinking to do. Is the FIH expected to rule on Greece's contention?
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Dare_Devil
12-20-2003 6:42 am
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Crazy understanding of the rules
I am really surprised by the way FIH is playing David Copperfield - the great Magician! Cuba resigns from playing at the Qualifier-Tournement for the OC so at every tournement in the world and also by using common sense their opponent would have automatically have won. But not in Hockey and not with FIH: abra-ka-dabra, they take Canada out of their magic sleeve and present them as new opponent of Greece. And which team is stronger - Cuba or Canada (have a look at the Panam results)?
It is always a pleasure to watch FIH doing all they can to throw obstacles in the way of the Greek team. If i were from Greece I would be really really pissed...and would love to see Canada in their position and how THEY would act...
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Australian Fan
12-20-2003 2:52 pm
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Simon Tiverous
I don't know if I spelt his name correctly, but is it true that the Greek team has an Australian import playing with them - Simon Tiverous? He is a dangerous player, I'd beware of him on the field. He is a threat to take over the game and dominate the opposition!
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Wolf man
12-20-2003 4:38 pm
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Australian Fan
Tiverous only plays 1st division hockey in Australia. He went to Greece because he has Greek citizenship and would not have a hope to make the Aussie team. Besides one players does not make a team. The Greeks can claim a walkover if they want. However if I were them I would be preparing for February. The Canadians will want as many possible qualifying spots open as possible at the OQT. I'd like to throw out some props to my european nemesis who will finally be returning on Dec. 23rd. Hopefully we will be able to resume our blatant lack of class showings throughout the new year.
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ZEUS
12-22-2003 6:24 am
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Strange phenomenon
Dear Editor of the PHF
How come that every time there is an interesting topic about Greek hockey it dissapears from you main page in no time? Eventhough that within the first day that the article appears it gets far too many more replies than some mediocre topics that you insist keeping in your main page for a week or more. You leaving youselves open to criticism for lacking impartiality and portraying a narrow regional perception. Thought you cared to be global.
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Hari Kant
12-22-2003 6:59 am
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Articles on the Main Page
Zeus,
You keep accusing me of having an editorial bias on this Greece issue. Well I'll outline how articles make it to the PlanetFieldHockey main page.
1. Articles are placed in the International and the various Continental categories based on their importance every days. If you notice the various Greece articles were on the home pages when they were first posted, but when newer articles come up they are pushed down the list. This is especially so when something like the Champions Trophy is on.
2. The Hot Topics section is listed with the following rules. The articles are listed based on their most recent comments. This is done provided that the article is no more than 2 weeks old. This is done automatically by our system with no human intervention. So if you notice all the articles in Hot Topics are less than 2 weeks old.
3. If you go to our clubhouse: http://www.planetfieldhockey.com/clubhouse You will see all articles with commentary listed in their categories by last comment date. Here any articles that have continuing commentary are always listed regardless of date.
So while these rules may not be perfect, there are a lot of news and comments so not everyone can be pleased. Believe me others complain about their topics being pushed down the list as well.
I have indulged your criticism of the editorial procedures for a while and have posted all of them live on PlanetFieldHockey. If you wish to continue this discussion please contact me at editor@planetfieldhockey.com.
Hari
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Curious fan
12-22-2003 9:28 am
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to wolf man
I would like to remind you that one of the best canadian player (played for Canada in WC 98) went, some years ago, to Australia to try to play there in the 1st division, and DID NOT MAKE IT. The level of the game was too hard for him.
I am not australian, but I think you should respect Tiverous. Playing in the first division in Australia is not for everyone.
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SAINT
12-22-2003 4:21 pm
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Zeus
Zeus, get over it!! While some of the topics on Greek hockey are interesting, they are going to get pushed aside if no-one makes comment.
Hari's reply has showed the forum is well organised & more than fair.
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Can Fan
12-22-2003 7:35 pm
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Zeus?... more like nancy
Quit being a whiny little baby, if it weren't for this website a lot of people would be in the dark regarding most aspects of international hockey. Look around, if the tears keep flowing I'm sure you can find a kleenex around somewhere.
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ZEUS
12-23-2003 1:00 am
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For Hari and "can"
TO Hari
Thanks for the reply and for the re-appearance of the article on your main page. I understand your rationale of how articles come and go but I think I was right in what I was pointing out to as the article had all the specifications, as you explained them, to have remained there initialy for a bit longer. I find this interaction as a healthy element that provides more credibility to all users of this site.
To Can Fan
I am glad that you are familiar with the use of kleenex to the extend that you can recommend it to others. Now for the rest: if it was not for us who visit the site and make use of the forum to express views the site would have been shortlived. You should be thankful too because you can make the noise that a "can" can do through this forum. Are'nt you lucky?
Despite all these I would like to wish everyone my very best for the festive season and a full of hockey activities 2004. I hope that you all make it to Athens in August.
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Simon Himself
12-23-2003 3:08 am
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Australian League
I'm not Simon. However, I do not agree with those comment written previously. I think that the Greek team has a good chance of qualifying for the tournry. I think that that the world has under-estimated the taled that the Greek's have. I feel that the "wolf man" is nothing more than a 'gong show' and is not relevant to the current situation. Go Greece and all the more power to you! Best-o-luck!
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Lizzie
12-23-2003 4:28 am
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You're the one with the crazy understanding of the rules
To Dare_Devil - the FIH never decided that Greece would have to play Cuba in the qualifier series, they ruled that Greece would play the 12th qualified team in the Madrid tournament. Which at that time appeared to be Cuba, but then Cuba decided not to participate, so now Greece STILL plays the 12th qualified team in the tournament, only that now that happens to be Canada.
There has been no bending of the rules, no David Copperfield magic, no discrimination of the Greek team - the FIH has only applied the rules they had set. At NO tournament in the world do you get to claim a walkover when your supposed opponent pulls out BEFORE the start of the tournament and is replaced by another team!!
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Dare_devil
12-23-2003 12:49 pm
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@Lizzie
You are absolutely right Lizzie - the rule was that Greece has to play against the 12th ranked nation in the world. Although Greece never accepted this rule as criteria - and it is clear that the US team for example, that played in Atlanta, would never have passed this qualification (still it played...), this was presented by FIH to the IOC as solution accepted by Greece (a lie...but maybe you donīt know very much about what is going REALLY and behind the curtains).
Now that Cuba - the number 12 - pulled out, it still is number! Or do you loose your number in the ranking, just because you donīt want to participate? Maybe later on, but not at the moment. And here is where even Copperfield would fail: but FIH with itīs objective unbiased executive board (which consists mainly of countries hoping for the 7th place at the Qualification tournement....what a coincidence...) seems to be the better magician and persuaded even you (oh lala) that this is right. I am really curious what the CAS thinks about this case...
But please...letīs not lose our focus: why is Greece to play the Qualifyer? Because FIH is so friendly to help them get a certain standard. I am sure the Greeks are happy to wait another 100 years until the next games in Athens...and who know what new ruled FIH has decided until then?
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rid ic u lous
12-29-2003 9:48 am
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csd
ned, spain , india , pak , sa , mal , new zea , poland, g.b thats all i have to say wolfman.
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new jack city
12-29-2003 9:54 am
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From Jason B
yo man one of my boys plays for the greek team. i just want to wish him the best of luck and all the other boys. bang ur doors bruth.
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madi
12-29-2003 6:24 pm
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better watch from the stands
dont see the Greeks having much hope against the Canadians. predict huge scorelines in first two matches. well better book ur Olympic hockey season tickets now u Greeks! coz that will be as close u will get to the action.
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Canada-Eater
01-01-2004 4:14 pm
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@madi
Canada? Greece will play the 12th ranked nation not a Loser-Team like Canada that was not even able of winnin the Panam Games...
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Des
01-01-2004 11:11 pm
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Give them a chance
Why not give Greece the chance to prove themselves? They have an amazing coach, Cedric D'sousa, who is doing an unbelievable job....so to everyone that is so critical, backoff. The Greeks at the very least deserve the respect for their efforts and determination, especially because win or lose, if they play quality competitive hockey, then that's a damn good accomplishment because they haven't been playing hockey for years like other countries. I wouldn't be surprised if they won the qualifier because they have more fire to do it, because no one believes in them....best wishes to Greece!
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ZEUS
01-04-2004 1:23 pm
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Dear Hari
At first let me wish you all a Happy and full of hockey activities 2004. It is afterall an Olympic year and I hope that everyone will come to Athens to celebrate this unique event.
Hari sorry to start the year with a complain. If I refer to your explanation above dated 22 Dec. 2003 on PHF policy in handling articles or threads then the "comment of the week" in your main page about the appointment of Kimo Linders for the Canadian women's team should be renamed "comment of the month".
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Hari
01-04-2004 10:31 pm
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Dear Zeus
The Comment of the Week is updated when I send out the PlanetFieldHockey weekly newsletter. Due to my workload and the holiday schedule I was unable to do this on the 23rd and the 30th of December. The Kimo Linders comment was from the December 16th newsletter. So it will be up for three weeks when I replace it on the 6th of January.
I like to keep an open forum and allow all comments that are within our policies. However I am asking you to direct all further criticisms directly to myself at [email]hari@planetfieldhockey.com[/email]. Your post is clearly off the topic of Greece and the Olympic Qualifier.
Regards,
Hari
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Nietzsche your mother
01-21-2004 3:24 pm
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about the level of greek hockey team... an independant view
What s this debate about this greek-australian hockey player !?! I m agree with you, Wolf man. Ok, I respect all the efforts the greek team is making and the pain they have (6 hours training per day). But the first time I show them, I was laughting and I believed it was a joke, "no it couldn t be a national team "!!! The fact is they play a "different" hockey. Every people who know little about hockey is able to see that most of them played hockey for a few time. Hockey is not a common sport because you can t play on a top international level with just 5 or 6 years of practice. When I see some greek national trainings, it s very funny : it s like they re-invented this sport and some players really have an exotic way to play...Maybe it s too much, it s right some players are not bad (the ones who come from abroad) and they run very fast.
But it s prooved that every second league player of a second class hockey league can play in this team...sorry. I hope they won t be ridiculous but I doubt. The games they have made were just a joke for their oponents and it s naturral not having humiliated this team too much.
You can support all the efforts greek team is making but it s not forbiden to have an independant and true point of view about that.
Good luck for Geece !!! Don t have rest...
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player in the world
01-24-2004 12:50 pm
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news
21.01.04 Egypt 3-Greece 1
22.01.04 Egypt 4-Greece 2
24.01.04 Egypt 3-Greece 0
greece good job but is not finish.Again fight.
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mark 2
01-26-2004 10:56 am
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gr v egy
wow was this really greece...well done boys ..im supporting your great efforts .boys your so close dont give up. Well done cedric
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Rhino
01-26-2004 1:08 pm
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Hockey in Greece
Well, if you were in Greece you would see that all the money is spent for the national team, and nothing for promotting this sport. there is no field for the juniors ( or at least one outdoor with indoor size on a handball field) , that no championship is organized for th young before April and when it starts it is suspended because this is the period of the exams. So, maybe Greece will qualify to the Olympic games, but what about after the olympics games ?
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Adam
02-06-2004 7:24 am
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I'm Hockey-Fan from Poland. I need names of Greek men's national team players (with caps and goals).
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Rhino
02-09-2004 9:33 am
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Can FIH be ashamed, Zeus ?
Zeus, were have you been during the test events ?
I copy your remarks made previously on 19th December 2004
"I hope that with their performance they (the greek) will make a lot of the decision making people to be ashamed of that they have subjected the host to the rediculous procedure of having to qualify"
Results:
Greece Belgium 0-5
Greece Spain 0-9
Greece Great Britain 0-6
Greece Belgium ( for third place ) 0-5
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ZEUS
02-10-2004 3:06 am
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Yes Rhino, the FIH should be ashamed of
The main argument of the FIH has always been that the Greek team is not up to decent level and that they will ridiculate and tarnish the image of hockey at the OG as they will be loosing by 20 and 30 goals in every match. I can tell you that the performance of the Greek team was better than the scores indicate. In today's hockey scores like that are considered normal so more in the case of Greece that never claimed to be a hockey power. The fact that the team has progressed to the level it stands today is commendable and it will be decent if people "without blinkers " should acknowledge it. It goes without saying that the development that you call for will be assisted more if Greece participates in the OG rather than if left out. The national team is the showcase of a country and helps to stimulate development, secure subsidies and sponsors , secure the legacy of the new stadium and warm-up pitches, draw attention and bring players to the pitch. And this will most certainly will help the development.
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rhino
02-10-2004 12:54 pm
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to Zeus
20 or 30 goals per match means an average of one goal every 2 minutes ! that means that the average speed of the player should be 100mx60/2=3 km/h so it's OK, they don't need to run... they can walk. And if Greece qualifies for the Olympic games, may be there will not be national greek championship because of the non availibilty of the players , that will help the development of the hockey ! Also for bringing the players to the pitch, you need at least a pitch. So my purpose is to say that the money should be used for promoting the sport through the children by training them and giving them pitch. The children don't mind for their national team, they enjoy to see good games between good teams. And you know that now in football, the champion is not automatically qualifyed for the next championship. Yes I have "blinkers" but I feel that to make a hero of the swimmer who hardly sunk during the Sydney Olympic games is an insult to the guys who worked hard during years for missing their qualification for 1/10 second.
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YEN
02-11-2004 12:08 am
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IF GREEK HAD STICKS- WOMENS TEAM
IF THEY HAD STICKS AND BEAT RUSSIA DO THEY PLAY QUALIFIER OF DO THEY PLAY OLY STAIGHT AWAY. AND WHAT HAPPENS TO RUSSIA DO THEY STILL PLAY QUALIFIER AFTER LOSING .
IS IT A JOKE .
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ZEUS
02-11-2004 1:03 am
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Come on Rhino
I thought you will understand that I was referring to the scores of the test event and how these scores prove how wrong and unfair the FIH has been in their argument. With their performance the Greek team deserves to participate in its own Olympics. I think that they look better than the USA men's team that participated in Atlanta. The development will not stop, on the contrary it will get more impetus if the Greek team participates. During 2004 the U16 national team, as far as I know, will participate in their level in the European challenge and a girls team will participate in their respective European level in Sofia. The players of the national team (senior) with their experience will get involved in grass root level and offer their knowledge. Any disruption in the normal league programs is only temporary and for this unique year. I am sure you can tolerate this.
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Rhino
02-11-2004 12:55 pm
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Yes Zeus I agree
Yes Zeus, I sympathise with you because I am the father of young hockey players, and I enjoy that you say that the players of the national team should train the youngs and offer their knowledge, because I am convinced that it is better than to hire foreign people. I think also that it is a good opportunity for all to participate at their level in all the world and european championships. But I don't agree that Greece considers the 2004 games as their "own olympics", even if the olympic games have their roots in Greece. Let the national team train and get the brillant honour to participate because they qualifyed and not because the tax payer payed for it. Look, Belgium is not bigger than Greece and they are good.
Regards
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Rhino
02-11-2004 12:58 pm
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Disruption in Greek Championship
I just forgot to say that if because of 18 players of the national team, 100 cannot play their favorite game, it is unacceptable and in contradiction with the olympic ideal.
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ZEUS
02-12-2004 1:53 am
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FOR RHINO
I think that just the other day a club in Belgium celebrated its centenial anniversary. In Greece apart from two clubs playing socially for some 30 years everything else started around 1996-1997. If you would argue that there could have been more progress in the past 7 years I will agree with you but still Belgium would have been better in infrastructure, organisation, etc. and probably still a better team perhaps marginally. The term own olympics is relative to Greece been the host and whatever goes with it for the customary right of the host for direct entry for participation in all the events, without qualification farces.
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Rhino
02-15-2004 3:51 am
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to Adam
I have the list of the players, how can I send it to you ?
Regards
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Fervent Denial
08-18-2004 12:59 am
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Olympic Hockey
Wake up and smell the roses
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